Quick tell me all you know about the korean war

The southern portion of the kwp mislead the northern section into the belief that they could trigger an urban uprising worth 4 divisions. The north got permission from Stalin to invade with a 10 division offensive army. The uprising was a joke. The kwp army creamed the rok army and would have won without us intervention. However Pusan proved a culminating point of victory and the kwp divisions were eliminated and the north deindustrialised by air bombardment allowing for the conditions where juche would make sense and allow for a purge of other kwp tendencies.

still, you could say they are at "peace", since they don't attack each other

If it wasn't for goddamn Chinese, my country would be united and we wouldn't have the most famous meme country to our immediate north. Fuck all chinks in the ass.

*Blocks your path*

Well, if it wasn't for goddamn Muricans your country would be united too, and you wouldn't have the most fake country to your immediate south. There's that...

Basil Fawlty served as an army cook during the Korean War, Got a bit of shrapnel in the old leg.

Shut the fuck up Zhao

It was started by the American aggressors with their South puppet regime. It was won by the masterful dint of Marshall Kim Il Sung.

youtube.com/watch?v=Gv2oR8VHlN0

South Gooks Vs. North Gooks

Advantage of South Gooks
Burger Technology Advanced

Advantage of North Gooks
Fake Chinese Enhanced
Without the Fake Chinese, Burger will not stand strong in the sea,

The truth of US aggression and hatred.
youtube.com/watch?v=ROzLSEny4L8

Task Force Smith was literally an underappreciated battalion with early WWII equipment vs an army with late WWII equipment, and they were expected to hold the line as the first American expeditionary force. It was fucking retarded.

Even without the other details, we sent a battalion versus an army, which is stupid as all fuck.

>UN flag
>Implying America wasn't carry the whole thing (and still is)
>MaCArthur BTFO

The manpower advantage of the Chinese was overstated
even though they fielded atleast 1.2 million personnel there's probably no more than 1/3 of that in the frontline
also the Chinese position was precarious on their own because they had no motor vehicles to haul supplies around or an air force to cover their asses except some soviet good will

Battle Of Chosin Reservoir was the fiercest battle fought in marine history.

Hundreds of thousands of Chinese soldiers armed with sticks and clubs charged over the border towards the American marines stationed at Chosin. Only a handful of logistics coordinators were at the front of the battle.

They machine-gunned the fuck out of those gooks.

"Buzz droids"

They used some WWII guns

I think the M14 got developed during that time

The Koreans lost 3 inches of average penis length by 1953

>north korea invaded with soviet support
>hurr it's america's fault
not even good b8

koreamed.org/SearchBasic.php?RID=0074KJA/1998.16.2.153&DT=1

I met a Korean war vet a couple years ago, apparently he was a mobile antiaircraft gunner. I think it was something like quad .50 automatic or maybe something larger like 20mm, I forget the size, someone else might be able to elaborate more.

He was telling me he basically sat around and drank coffee because they didnt run into any planes. Until one day, the unit ahead of them got overrun and there was a Chinese battalion or something headed there way. He said they were visible and en masse.

He got ordered to "mow them." He didn't say exactly what happened but stated "I dont think they liked it much." Just picture the havoc a quad .50 could do to a huge formation of men lol

>1945: Japanese Empire destroyed
>USSR and US divide Korean Peninsula at 38th parallel
>both superpowers create separate governments in north and south halves
>1950
>Soviet forces leave peninsula
>US starts to draw down forces in Korea to reduce tensions in early days of Cold War
>Kim Il-sung attacks and catches the ROK with their pants down since they had almost no heavy war equipment and no US support
>ROK and what remains of the US forces in Korea get btfo'd to Busan
>UN/US reinforcements arrive at Inchon
>KPA (Norks) get pushed all the way to the Yalu river/Chinese border
>Mao sends a shitton of """volunteers""" to fight the UN/US forces back
>MacArthur almost nukes the Chinese but gets stopped by the president
>1953: grinds down into stalemate right around the 38th parallel again
>armistice signed, South Korea gains slightly more territory
>South Korea spends about 20 years as an economically backwards shithole
>North Korea is actually Best Korea during this time because of economic aid from other Communist countries and the presence of heavy industry and minerals
>1970s: South Korea gets really good at capitalism, economy starts to explode
>1990s: brotherly socialist aid from the USSR and other Eastern Bloc countries dries up because of the collapse of communism
>agriculture and food distribution system in North Korea collapses due to a lack of cheap fertilizer and farming equipment
>famine sets in
>government tolerates small-scale capitalism since the alternative is literal starvation
>2010s: life is a little better in North Korea; instead of outright famine now they just have to deal with food shortages

There's some more stuff about nukes in there I probably forgot to write but who cares about that shit.

I actually just read this last week.

At least on a very macro view from a U.S./Western perspective, it was a comedy of errors, pretty much from day 1 when the U.S. took over occupation of South Korea from the Japanese. They didn't understand how Korea worked, or the nationalistic desire for unification and independence. They didn't understand what a bastard Rhee was, because after all, he spent a long time in America and spoke English and could schmooze. And they missed the ball on both the initial North Korean attack and the Chinese intervention because they thought of their opponents solely in terms of Communism vs Capitalism instead of thinking that these countries still had nationalistic interests. Moscow didn't seem that interested in Korea, so nothing was ever going to happen. Even as late as 1952, you had people in Washington claiming that Korea was a massive diversion, to tie down American military assets while the Soviets readied their strike in Europe. There was "no other way to explain the odd behavior coming from Peking".

Thinking that all of the Communist nations were a monolithic bloc and only did things on the order of Moscow was a common mistake made by US policymakers. The idea that China didn't get along with Russia or Vietnam was something they took quite a long time to realize.

There have been several skirmishes and killings within the DMZ . There was even one within the last decade iirc. North Korea also loves to shell South Korean territories when they think they can get away with it.
The war might not be hot, but it sure as shit isn't cold.

In their defense, it was true until Khrushchev pissed off Mao by denouncing Stalin and Castro sure as fuck didn't help the situation.

FORGETTING TITO ARE WE?

Yugoslavia was non-aligned and while they received minor amounts of aid, the U.S. did not like communist Yugoslavia either. The CIA was very active there and there are some studies that point toward significant CIA involvement in the dissolution of Yugoslavia.

>communism was involved
thats all I know

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>In their defense, it was true until Khrushchev pissed off Mao by denouncing Stalin and Castro sure as fuck didn't help the situation.
I'm not talking something as dramatic as the Sino-Soviet split, but something like the way De Gaulle ran France, independent of American foriegn policy despite being very much beholden to America at the time, was something they were definitely aware of. Why something on the other side of the iron curtain would be impossible seems very strange to me.

>Why something on the other side of the iron curtain would be impossible seems very strange to me
Because until Stalin died, everything East of the Curtain was run by Moscow. That being said, they did try by offering Marshall Plan aid to the COMBLOC which turned it down at Moscow's request. Simply put, until Stalin died (with a few notable exceptions like the Berlin Strike) the East knew damn well where their bread was buttered.

But that is bullshit and demonstrably so, by the very fact that the Korean war happened. Moscow was NOT the driving force behind either Pyongyang's desire to unify the peninsula, or Peking's desire not to see the Americans do the same. They countenanced it, but they were very much letting their vassals have their day. And this was when Stalin was alive.

>Moscow was NOT the driving force behind either Pyongyang's desire to unify the peninsula, or Peking's desire not to see the Americans do the same
You're speaking in hindsight. That's not something that the US could say for certain, particularly when they were predominantly facing Soviet equipment.

The entire chain of conversation started because I was asking why the notion was so inconceivable to the Americans, especially since they were dealing with the exact same thing with their own dependent allies. Pointing out that it happened is a completely meaningless statement in this context. Seriously, where did you learn to read?

>I was asking why the notion was so inconceivable to the Americans
And I explained why to you, multiple times, but you're stuck in the present and can't understand anything without using a historian's fallacy.

>especially since they were dealing with the exact same thing with their own dependent allies
France leaving the military arm of NATO =! pulling a satellite state from the iron grip of the Soviet Union. It's not even fucking close to the same.

>And I explained why to you, multiple times, but you're stuck in the present and can't understand anything without using a historian's fallacy.
No you didn't. You've simply re-iterated that "THAT'S HOW IT WAS" without actually explaining shit.

>Because until Stalin died, everything East of the Curtain was run by Moscow
Statement of fact, and false at that. China and North Korea were having independent thoughts. I don't know why you're denying this.

>France leaving the military arm of NATO =! pulling a satellite state from the iron grip of the Soviet Union.
France's attempts to strongarm America over Indochina by threatening to go over to the Soviets if they weren't given a free hand in their colonies (something neither the FDR nor the Truman administrations liked in any way, shape, or form) is a hell of a lot like the tail wagging the dog a la Pyongyang's rush southwards. In each case you have a smaller, dependent power insisting on their own local foreign policy, mostly at the expense of some grand foreign policy for the patron power, based largely on how the patron power really doesn't care all that much about what's going on at the far end of the world.

For fuck's sake, your argument is ridiculously incoherent. If Moscow really did run everything, than the argument isn't one of contemporary understanding vs hindsight, but that it really was directed in Moscow, and that American foreign policy accurately noticed that. Except that's obviously untrue, for the simple reason that the Korean war happened. And then, to "win" you say "but you're speaking with hindsight". When the question is how the contemporaries got something so badly wrong, accusations of speaking with hindsight are irrelevant.

Do you get it now?

>More historian's fallacy bullshit
I've covered everything else so allow me to break the whole down to you a fourth time because you're fucking dense. They did what they did because of how the situation appeared to them at the time. Speaking with hindsight is not relevant to the answer you asked as the information was not known to the actors at the time and thus the information only gained through hindsight is ultimately irrelevant to the answer to the question you've asked. Last (you) you're going to get out of me. Seriously, you're on a fucking history board. If you have to use a historian's fallacy every time to """"counter""" someone's argument about why people did things, you should not be here.

Commie Koreans take over Korea. America invades to aid dissenting anti commie Koreans. They push back to near the Chinese border. China sends in reinforcements and pushes US led forces to near the 38th parallel. Cease fire agreed upon along the 38th parallel. How'd I do?

Learn to read you fucking retard. You have completely misunderstood several posts. I'm not sure how, other than the public schools failing you badly, but there it is. The historian's fallacy is not relevant here, BECAUSE I AM ASKING HOW CONTEMPORARIES ARRIVED AT A CERTAIN DECISION, not deriding them for making it.

The only "answer" you attempted to provide, is a bald, baseless assertion that Moscow really did run everything, which is demonstrably and obviously false (yes, with hindsight, but that is again irrelevant, because I'm asking how contemporaries managed to fail to see something). Yes, American policymakers overstated the influence of Moscow on regimes like North Korea and China. Why? Saying that well, they did, is a tautological statement that has no actual value.

And yes, the information WAS known, at least a la Korea, it was simply derided as irrelevant in light of Moscow's disinterest. Which is the entire thrust of the actual question.