Is the entirety of Celtic and Germanic history a long string of defeats to the Romans followed by genocide and enslavement? Other than isolated battles, did the barbarians ever win a strategic victory over Rome?
Why couldn't the tribes in Gaul ape what the Romans were doing to offer a better challenge?
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Oliver Fisher
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David Torres
>did the barbarians ever win a strategic victory over Rome?
Brennus sacked the city of Rome itself.
Arminius betrayal and vanquishment of three roman legions lead to Augustus reassesing the ideal borders for the Empire which influence roman policy ever after.
The goths sacked rome and got a nice piece of land and titles out of it.
Those are just three examples from the top of my head.
>Why couldn't the tribes in Gaul ape what the Romans were doing to offer a better challenge?
They did with Vercingetorix. That's why Caeasar had such a hard time with him.
Asher Taylor
> and Germanic history a long string of defeats to the Romans followed by genocide and enslavement?
Uhh...
Luis Rivera
>The goths sacked rome and got a nice piece of land and titles out of it.
Their goal wasn't really to sack Rome, though, if we're talking the 410 sack.
Nathan Ortiz
No, their goal was the other stuff I mentioned. The sack of Rome was just to demonstrate the empire's impotence against them.
Ryan Allen
I'm talking about the Roman Republic when Gaul was made a Roman province
>Vercingetorix
>the guy who was stripped naked, imprisoned, and executed in Rome
Wasn't Gauls population reduced by 20% after Caesar's war in there?
Nathaniel Turner
>I'm talking about the Roman Republic when Gaul was made a Roman province
By limiting the timeperiod like that you get an obviously skewed result.
>Vercingetorix
Yes.
>the guy who was stripped naked, imprisoned, and executed in Rome
What are you implying; that wars can't be harshly fought? Just because you humiliate and utterly beat someone doesn't mean that he didn't put one hell of a fight.
>Wasn't Gauls population reduced by 20% after Caesar's war in there?
Something like that yes. People call it a genocide for a reason.
Dominic Foster
>530AD
>Germanic tribes in modern-day: Poland, Belarus, Ukraine , Czech and Slovakia
Not a chance. They were already enslaved by Huns and Slavic folk.
Joshua Carter
The Huns got btfo by the Germanic tribes though
Julian Butler
Can you tell me a period when Gauls or the Germans utterly defeated Rome's army in a war and making Rome a vassal state before the Goths came?
Aiden Rodriguez
The only time the Germans defeated Rome was when it was wracked by instability and civil war
Asher Morris
Oh nonononono
Matthew Ramirez
Why are you putting all these weird qualifiers on it?
The questions in the OP are this:
>Did the barbarians ever manage a strategic victory over Rome
Yes, they did
>Why couldn't the tribes in Gaul ape what the Romans were doing to offer a better challenge?
They did, Caesar's Gallic campaign was very hard-won.
Justin Butler
Okay, just tell me when the Celts defeated Rome in a war.
Jaxson Peterson
Allia
Arretium
Faesulae
Gergovia
Jayden Smith
I'm talking about war, user, not battles
Henry White
The Romans were mostly French rape babies by the time they invaded Gaul, and they only won thanks to Gaulish infighting
The last time a few tribes united the entire Northern Italy was taken and colonized by the Gauls
Henry Edwards
>390BC-546AD
>French
>Germans
Are you fucking retarded?
Angel Price
samefag
Christopher Barnes
*laugh in Gaulish*
Andrew Lee
>800 year gap
haha by then they were rape babies
Gabriel Bailey
French and Germans weren't a thing in those years, you utter fucking moron.
Henry Reed
French is just a codeword for Gauls
Pic related is another Gaulish king, King Henry 2 who rampaged through Italy
Juan Thomas
You're a codeword for an idiot. There was no such thing as "French" back then.
Aaron Martinez
gaul is just a larpword for french*
Jeremiah Wilson
But french comes from frank, a germanic tribe
Stil 6/10, made me reply
Gabriel Martinez
He is that poster from france
Jonathan Sanders
>Name me some example of x without mentioning x1.
Why are you talking about vassalisation? That's not how the barbarian people operated.
With that in mind Brennus is the most obvious example of a time when the romans got utterly wrecked by a northern barbarian foe. He and his celts trashed the roman state so bad that they had to spend like a century or so remaking it IIRC.
That was the modus operandi of the roman state.
Adrian James
>french comes from frank
Dumb nigger
Frank comes from Old French "Franc" from Latin "Francus" from Latin "Frangare"
Franconian(Germanic people) are unrelated to French (Gallic people)
Justin Thompson
Hahahahahaha
Brainlet
Landon Green
Pic related
Apologize to your white overlord now