Be irish

>be irish
>get into history
>start reading about the british rule of Ireland
>realise that, despite its flaws, the rule of britain benefited most Irish people and was a golden age
>realise how much Ireland has stagnated since independence
>become an irish neo-unionist West Brit
How did getting into history change you, user?

>t. Nigel LARPing as an Irish

I hate germanics, ancient greeks, islam arabs and turkic people

Selling out your people, culture, and freedoms for a little monetary gain. Absolute haram.

>be Canadian
>pretty uninterested in the whole Canadian identity
>research a little bit of history in high school and start really loving American history, culture and values
>become a Burgerboo and began to hate all of America's historic enemies (including Canada)
>buy into all the bullshit surface level "America = Best" shit
>research more history
>Philippine War
>Hiroshima and Nagasaki
>Vietnam War
>Iraq War
>Bay of Pigs
>wtf America sucks
>research WW1 because the fucking Burgers never talked about it
>fall back in love with Canada and Canadian identity
>also gain a respect for the German people which I never had due to the American indoctrination
What a rollercoaster ride.

Benefits of never having the balls to do anything without the permission of the British Crown. This "Canadian Identity" you speak of is nothing but somebody in a plaid shirt sticking his face in Queen Elizabeth II's ass.

[spoiler]Vimy Ridge[/spoiler]

How can you call it a golden age when it's been under British rule in someway since 1171, what period are you referring to? How can you know that the native Irish would not have flourished without English and later British rule? Also you're just wrong, explain to me how British rule benefited 'most Irish people' when poverty, famine and evictions were rampant until what you call stagnation which saw a sharp rise in living standards?

I never understood this mentality. Just like in the Rhodesia thread. Who cares about wealth and economic benefits? The bastards forced their lifestyles upon you, their culture, for god's sake - even their language. Your people were jailed for speaking Gaelic. If I was an African, I too would fight against the white civilization. I would want to keep my ancestor's ways, it's my heritage. Same with you - rather be poor and Irish than rich and transformed into an Englishman. Homogenity is cancer.

Malthusian traps are the engines of history. The potato famine was necessary for progress

The Irish have done very well for them selves in the last hundred years espically since joining the EU. Ireland was know as an Eastern European country stuck in Western Europe as late as the 80's. Sure they have had their up and downs economically but what country hasn't. The biggest problem facing Ireland and Western Europe as a whole is the loss of a cultural identity with all the immigrants coming in, until Europe as a whole gets a handle on it the future looks down right scary

While that's point-blank pullshit anyway, it doesn't apply here considering it was British land policy that ultimately resulted in the devastating effect the famine had. If Irish peasant farmers had adequate sized plots of land food production would have been significantly higher and the reliance on the potato would not have been a problem.

>realise how much Ireland has stagnated since independence

How do you reckon? The quality of life in Ireland is superior to the UK in many aspects.

>and turkic people
Fuck you

>Same with you - rather be poor and Irish than rich and transformed into an Englishman
the golden age of irish culture was the 18th-early 20th century
british rule didn't turn us english at all. Even Ulster Protestants are nothing like English people
until the Tudor period Ireland was ignored more or less by the Crown
Also, nearly all of Britain was also a shithole back in the 12th century
>How can you know that the native Irish would not have flourished without English and later British rule
Well I obviously can't prove a negative. How can you know that the Congo wouldn't be a superpower if it wasn't for the civil war?
Not really, tonnes of foreign capital in Dublin distorts the rest of Ireland. Dublin used to be one of the most important cities in the world when within the Empire. Nowadays all it is is a dumping ground for foreign capital. The rest of ireland has been abandoned completely. The railway system is far worse today than a hundred years ago.
>The quality of life in Ireland is superior to the UK in many aspects.
Wouldn't be if Britain hadn't bailed us out a few years ago
>The biggest problem facing Ireland and Western Europe as a whole is the loss of a cultural identity with all the immigrants coming in
Agreed, and that's another reason it is crucial for the anglosphere countries (sans America) to stick together. We have far more ties with Britain than with europe, which is why brexit is so exciting

FUCK YOU IT WAS A NATURAL DISASTER IRISH SCUM ARE LITERALLY ANIMALS WHO BREED UNTIL RESOURCES RUN OUT BRITISH ESTATES WERE THE ONLY "CIVILIZATION" ON THAT WINDSWEPT WEEDROCK AND WERENT PART OF "NATURE" BECAUSE THEY WERE ACTUALLY EXPLOITED SCIENTIFICALLY. POTATO FAMINE WAS AN EXTINCTION EVENT EQUIVALENT TO DINOSAURS

I'm a second generation irish brit, the scottish didn;t have to give anything up, Irish independence was a series of fuck up's from an inept English political system, remaining in the UK wouldn't have hurt Ireland's culture or their freedom, early devolution to ireland and possibly scotland could've been an easy solution to the easter rising.

>More polish native speakers than irish ones
I beg to differ

Why are you saying this? Half the board hates you. What makes you think your opinion is relevant?

One look at the Gael and it should have been obvious they were not ready for technology as powerful as the potato. The Anglo had no malicious intent, they were just neglectful in their role as caretaker of the lesser races.

>be american
>get into history
>start reading about the american revolution
>realise that, the founding fathers were greedy kikes and taxes were actually the lowest in 1700s british north america, so they didn't need representation
>tfw america was actually a mistake and a cancer that should've never been born
>become an american neo-loyalist southerner

this is actually fair assessment. the american revolution really was an overstep if you ask me

>american neo-loyalist southerner

oh my god, you faggots are worse than tumblr with their million different genders. Fucking end this silly nonsense NOW

all revolutions were bad.

give me citizenship to another 1st world country and I'll stop embarrassing you then

As if the Confederacy was any better...

The Irish will never pull a Brexit though. It's a combination of being comfy with the level of socialism Brussels has allowed you and some of the Irish seeing as sticking it to the Brits. I believe they will see the error of their ways but not until its too late, at least in the East, I think the West will come around sooner.
Canada, Aus, NZ, USA and the entire British Isles should form a trade and strategic partnership. No one country is going to be strong enough to counter the Chinese, that includes the USA. We could together hold the chinks off longer but I think its a given. However the Irish will never enter into a strategic alliance with the British, which at this point would be their best bet for the future.

The Union and CSA were both mistakes in history. I'm not advocating for either one.

>Realise how much Ireland has stagnated since independence
Despite the fact that Ireland has a higher standard of living, better welfare, better education and a richer culture? Ireland has not stagnated since achieving independence. Stop being such a cuck and realise that we've gotten on just fine without our tyrannous neighbours. Belfast is a living example of what Ireland would be like under British rule. Honestly, you neo-unionists baffle me.

Honest answer : I don't care at all about my ancestors and not much about my eventual descendants born long after my death, I just want to live well and independant movements look like a threat to that.

Yeats and James Joyce taught me Ireland is nice. Thank you Ireland for these amazing people.

stop being delusional, from independence until the 90s this was a shithole
we lose out on 70 years of progress due to a chimpout

>the golden age of irish culture was the 18th-early 20th century
If being an Africa-tier shithole is a "Golden Age" then sure. If you're referring to the Celtic revival that was explicitly in opposition to the British.

>until the Tudor period Ireland was ignored more or less by the Crown
After the Tudor period Ireland was actively attacked by the crown

>Well I obviously can't prove a negative. How can you know that the Congo wouldn't be a superpower if it wasn't for the civil war?
You can compare it to literally every other European country which improved during that time. It's retarded to assume Ireland ould have stood still in time when literally all of Europe was advancing at lightning speed.

>Dublin used to be one of the most important cities in the world when within the Empire.
Dublin was a tenement-ridden shithole. Belfast was the centre of Irish industry.

>The rest of ireland has been abandoned completely. The railway system is far worse today than a hundred years ago.
The rest of Ireland bar the North is in a far better position now than under British rule. Have you any idea how utterly terrible rural Ireland used to be? Also nobody gives a fuck about muh rails, we're an Island, we need good ports and roads more than rails.

>Wouldn't be if Britain hadn't bailed us out a few years ago
This meme again

>Agreed, and that's another reason it is crucial for the anglosphere countries (sans America) to stick together. We have far more ties with Britain than with europe, which is why brexit is so exciting
Anglo culture is the cause of the decay, even more than immigrants, and thankfully our ties with Britain are loosening.


You should really not be such a servile cunt.

>stop being delusional, from independence until the 90s this was a shithole
It was an even bigger shithole before independence and the parts of Ireland that remained in the Union are absolutely awful.

>we lose out on 70 years of progress due to a chimpout
What progress lel? The UK has been in decline since independence, whereas we've been on the advance.

>the parts of Ireland that remained in the Union are absolutely awful.
thanks to republicans blowing up businesses and stopping any investment
there are lots of nice middle class unionist areas in Ulster

>America should give me citizenship to another country
I'm pretty that's not how it works

>thanks to republicans blowing up businesses and stopping any investment
Thanks to Britain and Northern Ireland being utterly incompetent.

>there are lots of nice middle class unionist areas in Ulster

>there are lots of nice middle class unionist areas in Ulster
There's lots of nice middle class areas in most third world shitholes.

How does one miss so much history while becoming a boo?

why not? our military literally controls the western world, I should have a god-given right to choose another country freely without expense

so give me citizenship, now