Hegelian Dialectics

>The NCR was born of vault dwellers
Only Shady Sands and Vault City. The rest were generally founded before the Vaults even opened.

its flaws are its impiety. Which lead to the nuking of the divide. Which is what caused -all- of its failures in the mojave.

the city of rome was founded by the descendants of the most legendary warriors in history.

Except the people the Legion conquers aren't immediately enslaved? He only enslaves tribals and raiders, legion controlled lands still have electricity and access to basic technology.

He isn't anti-intellectualism ,he is anti-modernity in all of it's forms

Not sure what this user was going to say, but The Legion is an absolute dictatorship. Rome didnt start out as an absolute dictatorship and when a dictator rose to power he was expected to do his duty and return the power to the senate afterwards. The Legion has no bodypolitic and nothing to keep the "emperor" in check if he were to go mad or become incompetant, something that the NCR has. The very aspect Caesar hates about the NCR was the strength that Rome had. After the Senate lost most of its power it was only a matter of time before a string of bad emperors would lead to its decline.

socrates proved that kingdoms formed under the proper conditions, like Rome, are proven to be superior to the aristocracy of the senate. Its decline was because of christianity, which the humanist scum still refuse to beileve, to clutch their idols in reverance of a dead god, who spoke of being weak and humanist like the europeans who lost their empires. Whereas the USA, kept its colonies and offered no apologies for broken treaties and (almost, in some ways completely by ontological reasons) no socialist humanism.

>Its decline was because of christianity, which the humanist scum still refuse to beileve, to clutch their idols in reverance of a dead god, who spoke of being weak and humanist like the europeans who lost their empires.

yeah ok, i'm sure the constant stream of invasions, civil war, economic crisis and plagues didn't make it so people were desperate for new gods they could pray to in the first place.

I wouldnt listen to Socrates when it comes to government. He and Plato had some very strange ideas when it came to what makes a good "kingdom". One of them being the banishment of poets and intellectuals. The Philosopher King is the best form of government, but the problem is it never lasts. Athens is a good example of this. Had many tyrants. Rome would have been much better off and stronger if it had given the plebs more self-representation rather than hordeing all the power. Caesar(the historical) was the symptom of the lower classes being rebuked so many times and their only outlet becoming a populist coup de tat. Caesar(in game) on the other hand is an autocratic tyrant that wants to seize the NCR and force it to become more centralized and absolutist like the Legion, which is actually the opposite of what the historical Caesar wanted to do. Caesar thinks the NCR's problem is too much democracy, when in fact its problem is the nepotism of its senatorial class.

none of that got better under christianity, and those people were better when they weren't chrisitan.
>i wouldn't litsen
then don't speak, you uneducated fool

>nepotism
choosing someone related to you, like the NCR did with tandi's kids. Isn't nepotism, its the divine right of kings theory of forming a government.

>none of that got better under christianity

yes, it's religions' job to actually solve government and military problems

>and those people were better when they weren't chrisitan.

if only they knew back then.

He's a neo/proto-fascist that amalgamated a bunch of ideas into an ideological mess. He incorrectly assumes that because of the nuking, the dialectic (and thus all of society) has been reset to the classical age. That's not how the dialectic works at all. It's always advancing, it's not a video you can skip around to different parts as you please.

hes not a fascist. The BoS and Enclave are facist, but his government is classical imperialism

what else are the priests for? to make sure the next world has a seat for that person? how pathetic.

>what else are the priests for?

for paganism? to appease gods by doing autistically elaborate rituals to ensure the supernatural forces that govern nature and the universe give their favor or at least fuck off and leave mortals alone.

i think you can imagine why people go tired of trying to appease them in specially shitty times.

they should've tried harder to appease the right one then. unlike the pagan christians who got to live like slaves, wherever they went. Wehther they be captured by barabarys, or be a levy from a lord, they were slaves. Because they did not honor 'the gods'.

This. Fascism cannot function without a capitalist market economy, which the Legion lacks. The Legion is still very much pre-capitalist.

>then don't speak, you uneducated fool
listening to a 2000 year old philosopher to base what is a good government on.

t.literal brainlet

>an idea is old therefore it's wrong
You're just as retarded as the people who reject things just because they're new

>dude its 2007 i mean come on
brits need to get out

no an idea is old and retarded and been proven wrong many times therefore its wrong

>post yfw Caesar would've taken Rome for his legion
is caesars legion turks?

And those from Shady Sands started the NCR

Not even that, most tribals are just integrated, look at the Khans post-Legion victory at Hoover Dam.

Caesar thinks that their faux democracy is what has caused their corruption, greed, inefficiency, and overall dissolution which isn't necessarily wrong. In Legion lands banditry is about nonexistent and trade is secure. Edward Sallow (Caesar) had his father murdered in NCR lands precisely because the NCR is so ineffective.

NV's Caesar had the most dudebro, History Channel, pop history bullshit understanding of Rome and he has absolutely no idea why the empire was the way it was or why his roving band of mouth breathing cromagnons is closer to the Germanic tribes seeking civilization under Rome but ultimately destroying it from within.

He wants an empire because he ultimately wants to be powerful over as many people as possible, he won't civilize his legion by cutting it lose and having it merge with the NCR's, he will just let the former degenerate and terrorize the later. Sooner than later it will crumble because it's based off his brutal leadership and nothing else in the legionaries themselves.

Rome worked despite it's gigantic size and complexity because it was based on civilization, not the intellectualism of an elite or the vision of it's leaders, it was because everyone down to the lowest pleb was civilized. They worked, they made business, they solved disputes, they undestood and participated in politics and religion. Even with an absolute dictator on top, Romans determined their day to day lives and the magnificent structure of power rested atop that complex social fabric. They were people who built the system that ruled them and not the other way around. That's what civilization meant.

Christians were slaves to no one, because they recognised no one, and they knew no law but their own. They refused to recognise it as their own law, however, thus they stumbled at the last hurdle.

Certainly superior to pagans, nonetheless. Note this applies only to early and radical Christians.

and hes probably right to a degree. To me the NCR sounds like a once great democracy in decline, the beneficiary of too many good strokes of fortune and a victim of its own success. Its uncapable of expanding further even though it wants to(as evident by every person you talk to from the ncr in game who seems to think their forces are far too overstretched) and should rather focus on keeping what it has and strengthening itself from within. It sounds like it has a really apathetic lower class and an almost non-existant middle class if they are willing to let some bitch rule them for half a century just because her mother was. Doesnt sound like much of a democracy.

>the city of rome was founded by the descendants of the most legendary warriors in history.

According to myth written years later. In reality they had humble origins.

>NV's Caesar had the most dudebro, History Channel, pop history bullshit understanding of Rome

Which, if you think abou tit, would be accurate to what some dude post apocalype would probably make.

>t. Yang Wen-Li

A society doesn't just need a culture, it needs a way to develop that culture and adapt it to changing circumstances. The Legion is a militarist dictatorship centered around one person with a very shaky foundation whose culture is Rome LARPing without even understanding what Rome was.

this. most of the expansion was under the republic. nv caesar is just a spooked moron.

If you think about it Caesar is no different than the We Wuz claiming that this or that culture is theirs. Usually starts with having a childs view of what the desired culture actually entails.

Childhood is liking the Legion
Teenage is realizing NCR is better
Adulthood is realizing Mr. House is best for the Mojave wasteland

Well you are chip outta luck baby! Independence is the right way to go.

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>mfw
but I doubt the Fallout writers are that smart

they ran out of time and had to cut the full Legion arc
they had planned to fill out the area east of the river too

Legion is the only faction actively mass producing meds, afaik everyone else just scavenges for stimpaks. They'll have lots of healing powder when the old world meds start to run out.

>When the only decent thread on Veeky Forums is about New Vegas

Anyone who says the word dudebro is most likely a nu male. Please go back 2 reddit.

This man is a fucking hero betrayed by Bethesda and their scummy behavior

Rome began as a series of brutal military dictatorships and as a kingdom, the Legion has the benefit of Caesar's knowledge of the endgame.

The Romans made great use of the institution of slavery, do you still call them civilized? It seems as if you must, somehow.

What are Hegelian Dialectics?

>"fuck you"
>"no fuck you"
>"fuck both of us"
>*sweet love is made and both become stronger for it*

> Fail to execute overly ambitious plans given the tight schedule
> Bethesda's betrayal

Get out damn anti-artistic profligate.

>Bethesda gives overly tight schedule, refuses to shift it after things take longer than expected

>Obsidian's fault

>Childhood is liking the Legion
>Teenage is realizing NCR is better
NCR is the Reddit option because THEY HAVE SLAVES THEY'RE BASICALLY NAZIS why the Legion actually takes some cold understanding of the wasteland in order to be understood.
Same with Skyrim because the Stormcloaks are RACISTS OH MY GOD.

I don't think Edward Sallow was actually going for a exact Rome 2.0
He wanted something "foreign and alien" that was also strong and he could basically take the style and aesthetic from. In dialogue, he is well aware he ISN'T Rome, and wants to change that. It's not that he knows nothing of Rome, but that he can't be Rome with the resources he has.

> Overly tight schedule
No, it was a regular schedule. Obsidian had agreed to create and produce a game out in a certain time, and instead of spending the time efficiently, they spent their time limit in a manner them unable to finish the project in a way they wanted to. They aimed too high, and did not understand their resources correctly. A mistake like that could be understandable for a first timer, but for studio that had large amounts of expertise in the same things with FO2, KoToR 2 and NWN2, perhaps blaming the publishers instead of the incompetence of the Obsidian is a bit thick the fourth time in a row.

>he won't civilize his legion by cutting it lose and having it merge with the NCR's, he will just let the former degenerate and terrorize the later. Sooner than later it will crumble because it's based off his brutal leadership and nothing else in the legionaries themselves.
And the problem is that because of constraints we never got to see Legion-ruled lands east of the Colorado to see if this is valid.
We have been told that lands managed there are actually very secure and free of banditry and welcoming to trade.

I think that if the Legion did take California, infighting would take place but the real test would be to see if the Legion's "soul" would survive without Caesar. Caesar said that he wanted the tribes loyal to something greater than themselves so the Legion, not just Caesar, is important to them but Caesar with his brain tumor wasn't setting up an heir. The only question is who will he make heir if he does?

>but for studio that had large amounts of expertise in the same things with FO2, KoToR 2 and NWN2
all games which had that exact problem you mentioned: they were too ambitious for what their resources permitted.

Fuck off Bernie

fuck off, Bannon, he's right. Fascism is a reflection of market based economies and Rome was a slave based economy

>Rome began as a series of brutal military dictatorships and as a kingdom

It began as a union of the latin tribes near the Tiber under control of Etruscan kings, you need to be willing to believe some very outlandish myths about it's creation if you want to frame it as a brutal culture from the get go.

>The Romans made great use of the institution of slavery, do you still call them civilized? It seems as if you must, somehow.

You're applying modern morality to ancient realities and needs, and even then, Roman slavery was very much a civilized affair compared to slavery in the entire world around them.

>Same with Skyrim because the Stormcloaks are RACISTS OH MY GOD.

Stormcloaks are objectively the wrong choice though, not only is Ulfric an abject moron who blundered his way through the great war, getting captured almost the whole duration of it, he then slaughtered the reachmen who were actual skyrim natives because they wanted to be independent and preventing them from actually worshipping Talos, then he assassinated the rightful king and started a war that does nothing but cost human lives while the Thalmor benefits from everything, knowing that an independent Skyrim is 100% fucked.

Stormcloaks are literally a false flag.

every empire ever built did not have humble origins. Italians just want to claim the romans were italian tribal savages

>A mistake like that could be understandable for a first timer
Reminder that Duke Nuke'em Forever, made by a veteran studio, came out 14 years late, and only after it was passed to another veteran studio that copy-pasta'd the media into a Crysis Unreal prototype they had laying around.

...and Half-Life2 Ep 3, which will be out sometime after the heat death of the universe.

developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time

reachmen are not even human.

bruh you're not ascended enough

well to start with the Nords don't give a fuck about "muh natives". They deadass genocided the Snow Elves, you think they care about a bunch of le 56% face Daedra-worshipping Bretons? They don't.

But that's not the important part. The races of Tamriel will always be pawns in a great theological war over the heavens. Folks play Elder Scrolls but don't understand jus how non-secular their world is. Religion there isn't just stories, it's actual reality. The Elven-Man conflict is a battle between the gods, namely between Shor/Lorkhan and his avatars (Ysmir) and the "Elven gods" headed by Akatosh.
To stop worshipping Talos, Ysmir, the mantled Shor, is the ultimate defeat to mankind because as the gods stop being worshiped they lose power. The Elves are playing the long game because they live long lives. These are people who's grandfathers learned of the Snow Elf genocide, they are planning the long game, the theological game, while Legion supporters are too preoccupied with MUH EMPIRE and play right into Aldmeri Dominion hands.

>You're applying modern morality to ancient realities and needs, and even then, Roman slavery was very much a civilized affair compared to slavery in the entire world around them.
So would it be fair to see that being nuked back to the stone age makes Legion slavery more permissible?
Remember they don't have the privilege of being Vault Dwellers. They are the product of the tribal lands from Denver CO to Flagstaff AZ.

>that’s what Cambridge fags really believe

>So would it be fair to see that being nuked back to the stone age makes Legion slavery more permissible?

I don't know, we can't judge just how bad things are in the Fallout universe from games alone, but slavery and brutality are still a reality in the modern world, why would you expect them to show higher morality?

Rome itself though, had such a different concept of slavery it's hard to categorically call it cruel or kind, there were all kinds.

What if Caesar left instructions for Legate Lanius to form something that would be similiar to the Senate after his death? this seems very far-fetched since IIRC the whole Legion basically relied on Caesar's strong iron fist to function.

There was no social structure other than the brutal military hierarchy created by Caesar. The idea of democracy would cause Lanius and every other legionary to vomit.

Hm, you have a good point, I'm not well read on the Legion's history that much, they would not even be in support of a "military senate" with Generals making decisions altogether?

>well to start with the Nords don't give a fuck about "muh natives". They deadass genocided the Snow Elves, you think they care about a bunch of le 56% face Daedra-worshipping Bretons? They don't.

every single town in Skyrim is crawling with vampires and daedra-dealing shitsticks, they are literally no better than the Forsworn ooga boogas, but Nords actually try to take some kind of moral superiority. Too bad for them the empire was founded by a Nord and is stronger in their might makes right world view

>To stop worshipping Talos, Ysmir, the mantled Shor, is the ultimate defeat to mankind because as the gods stop being worshiped they lose power. The Elves are playing the long game because they live long lives. These are people who's grandfathers learned of the Snow Elf genocide, they are planning the long game, the theological game, while Legion supporters are too preoccupied with MUH EMPIRE and play right into Aldmeri Dominion hands.

Talos worship was literally untouched in Skyrim, the empire turned a blind eye and just ticked boxes until Ulfric attacked Markath and made a big deal out of cracking down on it, the entire reason the Thalmor got presence in Skyrim is because the empire couldn't hide that they were breaking the white-gold concordat any longer due to his stupid chimp out.

If the empire takes full control of Skyrim again they can convince the Thalmor to back off and go back to being lenient and focus their effort on feeding the proxy wars in Hammerfell, if the Stormcloaks do, the AD has a fleet ready to invade and take it all for themselves, and with the critically low manpower and bad infrastructure, it would be a matter of days.

>I don't know, we can't judge just how bad things are in the Fallout universe
Fiends rape and their victims and leave them with horrific burn scars all over, smash people's brains in with golf clubs, and will suspend their victims from chains on hooks
Cannibalism is semi-common
Children's skeletal corpses are found where Vipers make their rounds.
Powder Gangers are a rather powerful faction all considered, and regularly terrorize towns.

Legion is literally a godsend in tribal lands, they nail bandits to crosses as a warning their friends, and leave an area secure so that trade can take place.

>every single town in Skyrim is crawling with vampires and daedra-dealing shitsticks, they are literally no better than the Forsworn ooga boogas, but Nords actually try to take some kind of moral superiority. Too bad for them the empire was founded by a Nord and is stronger in their might makes right world view
some occasional cultist =/= literally your entire society
you're being disingenuous on purpose, Talos and the big three goddess' are still the big shit in Skyrim.

>Talos worship was literally untouched in Skyrim,
proofs? Talos worship was still outlawed, the Empire DID try and abide by the WGC. This whole "actually they didn't lol" sounds like a dodge tactic that isn't supported.
>the empire turned a blind eye and just ticked boxes until Ulfric attacked Markath
yup, just like the Empire-backed Jarl there asked him to
>and made a big deal out of cracking down on it, the entire reason the Thalmor got presence in Skyrim is because the empire couldn't hide that they were breaking the white-gold concordat any longer due to his stupid chimp out.
The AD wanted the WGC enforced for the theological reasons i mentioned. You think they weren't already going to make sure that the most Talos-fanboy provinces wasn't worshiping Talos?

>If the empire takes full control of Skyrim again they can convince the Thalmor to back off and go back to being lenient and focus their effort on feeding the proxy wars in Hammerfell, if the Stormcloaks do, the AD has a fleet ready to invade and take it all for themselves, and with the critically low manpower and bad infrastructure, it would be a matter of days.
Except that Hammerfell was in a civil war, shared a border, and was overall in a far worse position than Skyim and beat the AD themselves. The AD would have a shit time getting through to the Sea of Ghosts, and the Nords would be the Mujihadeen in the mountains fucking up the AD's already strained efforts to get their army that far.

Legion is basically what would happen if a smart LARP'er took and unified a bunch of savage africans (liberia type shit) and gave them roman aesthetics. In some sense, Caesar would be great... if the bombs had just dropped. Maybe something along the lines of 3. You would need someone brutal but disciplined and determined, in order to pick up the pieces of society.

Caesar is not good in a society like New Vegas, that has already progressed pretty steadily since the establishment of NCR. He would be a step backwards, both intellectually and culturally. Caesar is only ruling as a defacto warlord, where he tries to act like Augustus, but forgets Augustus used the previous tools of the Republic to keep himself in power with a sense of comfort. Once he dies, you have Lanius, who is a Caracalla kind of character who is hell bent on warfare, and that's about it. The tribes follow Caesar because he is power, not for some grand ideal or a dream. Now if Joshua Graham was in Legion still, I'd be more optimistic. There is no continuation of power, however. There is only the figure of Caesar.

tl:dr, Caesar is a shit choice in the time of New Vegas. This is coming from a genuine Romaboo who thinks non-hereditary monarchy would work best.

CONT
and still, this doesn't address the theological endgame of it all, you can't Talos/Shor's divine intervention while worshiping in secret. Shor gave the Nords Sovengarde so that if they die, they may still have paradise. Ysmir is Talos' divine intervention, anytime Ysmir has come, (Pilenial Whitestake, Wulfharth, etc.) the Elves EAT SHIT. That is what you, the player, are. Dragonborn; Ysmir. You are supposed to be the avatar of the Nordic god Shor, sent to Tamriel to kick in Elven teeth.

>proofs? Talos worship was still outlawed, the Empire DID try and abide by the WGC. This whole "actually they didn't lol" sounds like a dodge tactic that isn't supported.

en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Bear_of_Markarth

en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Alvor

en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Igmund

sourced off the article on Ulfric himself

>yup, just like the Empire-backed Jarl there asked him to

his militia volunteered

en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ulfric_Stormcloak#The_Markarth_Incident

He had no stake, he just jumped in to get some credit and slaughter locals, and then he himself stopped the worship of Talos. He's a snake.

>The AD wanted the WGC enforced for the theological reasons i mentioned. You think they weren't already going to make sure that the most Talos-fanboy provinces wasn't worshiping Talos?

they WEREN'T making sure, the war was costly for both sides and while the empire got the shorter end of the stick, it was recovering way faster than the low fertility Altmer.

>Except that Hammerfell was in a civil war, shared a border, and was overall in a far worse position than Skyim and beat the AD themselves. The AD would have a shit time getting through to the Sea of Ghosts, and the Nords would be the Mujihadeen in the mountains fucking up the AD's already strained efforts to get their army that far.

en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Great_War_(book)

the war in Hammerfell was fought by legionaries, as a proxy war of the empire.

I would suspect that the reason Thalmor Justiciars weren't in Skyrim right at the get go was because the AD was recovering from the Great War themselves. After the Markarth Incident it was simply moved to the front but the plan was already in motion. The AD could not allow Talos worship because it was vital to their endgame.

Ulfric's Militia volunteered because the local Jarl asked. He did so because of his Nordic pride, they're stubborn, if noble, people.

Nords made up a large amount of the Empire's Legions. The Shield Wall at the battle during the White Gold Tower was Nordic. Nords are vital to the empire, they are almost as much the Empire as Cyrodil itself.

But all this is for naught as i explained here: .
Whatever the events preceding this, you are literally Ysmir, the divine intervention, sent to be mankind's uppercut. Your job is kick the elves in the nuts as direct as possible, not to keep the empire around. You are Shor.

What he is saying basically sums up to
>NCR is corrupt and allows / encourages corruption to spread within it

>Legion was his blank slate that would be savage enough to be adopted effectively into the lawless wasteland population (primitive enough that the idiot locals could integrate better)
>Rule of might would ensure that even the biggest idiot in the desert knew if he fucked with the legions order he would be swiftly disposed of
>Instilling mentality of disposable citizen soldiers would ensure that they would remain savages because they never know which day is their last (as long as there would be war and they were winning it there would be no time / reason for them to doubt the power of Legion)
Basically he took the savagery of Rome and the military mentality and dumb'd it down to the wastelanders level, quantity over quality tactic that would eventually need to be revolutionized after they ran out of immediate opponents
His justification was that NCR had become a shell of it's true ideals, bureaucracy and corrupt circles allowed it to become a breeding ground for corrupt officials / officers, he believed NCR was on it's dying legs and wanted to overthrow it

Imo the only good choice is to rule the wasteland yourself because the House can have motives of his own for the future of the people, but if id have to choose between NCR, Legion and House i would choose House due to the incompetence of the competition

>Nords made up a large amount of the Empire's Legions. The Shield Wall at the battle during the White Gold Tower was Nordic. Nords are vital to the empire, they are almost as much the Empire as Cyrodil itself

alas, a big chunk of Skyrim sides with the empire for that very reason. The empire isn't just an empire but the "Reman" empire and the biggest, most solid legacy of Dragonborns.

>But all this is for naught as i explained here
>Whatever the events preceding this, you are literally Ysmir, the divine intervention, sent to be mankind's uppercut. Your job is kick the elves in the nuts as direct as possible, not to keep the empire around. You are Shor.

The dragonborn has nothing to do with that though, his prophecy is to fist-fuck Alduin back into submission first and foremost. He isn't destined to even stop the war.

that'd make sense if the Dragonborn wasn't obviously going to vanish and fuck off after the events of Skyrim. Skyrim isn't going to put up a fight, the never birthed the kind of warriors that could effectively fight the AD on a guerrilla war, that's not their culture, and they would be defenseless against the world-breaking wizardry of the Aldmeri's best, specially with the sorry state of the college. Unless they have a walking god fighting for them, and this is TES where Nerevarine did absolutely nothing to stop the red year, so good luck.

[spoiler]Alduin is Akatosh[/spoiler]
[spoiler]This fits exactly the Dragonborn being Ysmir, an Avatar of Shor[/spoiler]
[spoiler]This is round whatever of the Elven-Man god wars and by no mistake is it occurring during the conclusion of the Great War a coincidence[/spoiler]

>Maybe something along the lines of 3.

This is partly his motivation for wanting to conquer New Vegas. He intends to use it as his New Rome.

In Cass’ dialogue they are also revealed to be excellent at protecting slave caravans through the most dangerous cities in Arizona and a bit of Utah.

Not just slave caravans, anything with a Legion mark is dead safe she says

>Housefags
Yeah I like the dam running on one generator too

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Caesar's cult of personality is the only leg propping the Legion up. Even if someone who has 90% of the rhetoric and knowledge from the first Caesar, the generalship has seniority, and would use his death to assert their control. The problem with that is the Legates are fucking brainlet mongoloids and religious zealots that treat the Legion like The Golden Horde instead of the empire Caesar wanted, and because they're such monkey-brained morons, they have no idea how badly that will turn out.

well Legate Lanius seems like a Khan more than a Caesar, what of Caesar's more immediate staff?
Lucius seems like a good contender, and his position at head of praetorian guard puts him in a good way of taking the throne with no announced heir.

SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE NORDS

Along with 5 other cities... It wasn't just Shady Sands.

It's bad enough you brainlets don't know about Hegelian dialectics, but that reading a wiki article about it won't be enough for you to notice the pretty good joke in making a fake Ceasar referencing Hegel in any way whatsoever. If you didn't chuckle at that part you're literally too dumb for New Vegas.