Professor at uni once told that the modern world came into being after Treaty of Westphalia when the secular and spiritual aspects of human life were separated by law, allowing the abolishion of dogmatic way of thinking, which eventually lead to scientific objective perception of the world and the technological revolution of past centuries.
1. Is that bullshit, or not? 2. If atheism objectively caused the greatest golden age in human history, why are some people still religious?
Connor Sanchez
1. Yes 2. It didn't
Angel Cook
What lead to the technological surge of the past centuries then?
Eli Flores
>2. If atheism objectively caused the greatest golden age in human history, why are some people still religious?
>mfw
Jason Watson
>Professor at uni once told that the modern world came into being after Treaty of Westphalia when the secular and spiritual aspects of human life were separated by law, allowing the abolishion of dogmatic way of thinking, which eventually lead to scientific objective perception of the world and the technological revolution of past centuries.
Next lecture ask your teacher how many months of reddit gold he has
Jaxson Peterson
>Professor at uni once told that the modern world came into being after Treaty of Westphalia when the secular and spiritual aspects of human life were separated by law, allowing the abolishion of dogmatic way of thinking, which eventually lead to scientific objective perception of the world and the technological revolution of past centuries.
This is true in a sense, but he failed to mention that it also lead to secular extremist ideologies like authoritarian nationalism and imperialism.
Sebastian Scott
Many things, necessity, culture, strife, etc. Religion unironically led to underrated progress in technology and science. also what is atheism? Is it irreligiosity? That's stupid and uninformed. Is it the rejection of God(s)? What gods, what kind of gods? Anyone who is an unironic atheist past 2015 is either a boomer or a retard.
David Smith
1, yes 2, it didn't cause it, the golden age was caused by men becoming more concious about their rights and the aspects of the world and why people are religious is because people are inherently illogical.
Josiah White
Not atheism? Even if what your professor said were true, it wouldn't be "atheism" that caused the "golden age in human history", it would be "the legal separation of secular and spiritual aspects of human life". Again, I'm not agreeing with what he said, but what he said isn't even related to Atheism i.e. the lack of belief of the existence of God(s)
Kayden Cook
>Treaty of Westphalia when the secular and spiritual aspects of human life were separated by law wait what the fuck, that didn't happen at all. Allowing nations to declare state religions and mutually agreeing to tolerate other religions (really just other European Christians) is not some win for secularism or atheism, it couldn't be less secular or atheistic. It was literally religious people coming to terms with other religious people jfc how much reddit is your professor on?
Lincoln Morgan
>necessity, strife
All of human history pre-1800 must've been a cakewalk then, since nobody felt the need to invent electricity.
Jordan Johnson
>doesn't understand historical trends and their origins >"muh reddit argument" >posts half naked girl because he is desperate for attention
Jordan Ross
>when the secular and spiritual aspects of human life were separated by law, allowing the abolishion of dogmatic way of thinking, which eventually lead to scientific objective perception of the world and the technological revolution of past centuries.
Didn't that happen earlier?
Dominic Morris
How was secularism introduced in the Peace of Westphalia? The only thing regarding religion in this treaty, was to assure that each German prince has the right to choose his own Christian confession.
John Walker
>the golden age was caused by men becoming more concious about their rights and the aspects of the world And didn't they become more conscious because of secularization? Guy living in 11th century didn't need to know how weather works, or didn't feel like he needs welfare, it was all a God's plan for world to work the way it works. Only when state and religion became separated did people start realizing that there are matters that are in human hands.
Luke Mitchell
>one of the highest Christian authorities acknowledged heretical factions >also acknowledged that religion isn't subjected to feudal hierarchy (his subordinates didn't need to follow the same religion) >effectively this lead to further separation of church and state and surge of tolerant thinking, allowing "heretical" thoughts of atheism Of course i simplified it a lot and it was a long term process, things don't happen over night, but this was one of the key milestone in the process
Nathan Russell
Thirty Years War was one of the reasons. Not The reason. Original Rome and Greece was one reason (read Cicero). Renaissance was one, the enlightenment, The Numerous 17th to 19th century English and French revolutions and civil wars. USA's journey, another reason. Industrialization, WW1, Napoleon . . . But THE number one reason; mother-fucking printing-press.
Oliver Lewis
>still no /rel/ containment board
You had one job newmoot
Colton Rodriguez
Then you can read this
Blake Roberts
>Professor at uni once told that the modern world came into being after Treaty of Westphalia when the secular and spiritual aspects of human life were separated by law But that's not what happened. The Treaty of Westphalia did arrange in some countries in Europe freedom of religion, in that the state allowed the adherence of various branches of Christianity. Secular and spiritual aspects weren't "separated by law". On the one hand this change never occurred (even the more 'tolerant' countries retained a state religion, and later on great religious expulsions/conversions would still happen), on the other hand there had already been a certain separation of church and state for hundreds of years by then (see the two swords doctrine in the Holy Roman Empire).
>allowing the abolishion of dogmatic way of thinking, which eventually lead to scientific objective perception of the world What was probably more important for this was not whatever Draper-White thesis variant is being proposed here, but Descartes' rejection of Plato and Aristotle, allowing the scientific community to start over with a clean slate (but ironically Descartes had to prove the existence of God before he could start observing the physical world).
>2. If atheism objectively caused the greatest golden age in human history, why are some people still religious? Nigga wat? That question is pretty stupid.
Anthony Fisher
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James Rogers
No, but the same forces that encouraged atheism laid the foundation of the modern world.
Ryan Morris
Atheism is fairly irrelevant for progress.
Whats more important is the acknowledgement that religion is the separation of spirituality and "earthly affairs"
Brandon Carter
1. The chief function of Westphalianism was to create an environment in which nationalism could flourish. The other things identified have a common cause with Westphalianism and were not enabled or caused by it.
2. If Christianity objectively caused the greatest golden age in human history, would you then ask why some people are not Christians? This way of thinking is essentially an appeal to the stick. Just because a belief is helpful doesn't mean that it is really true.
