What went wrong?

What ever happened to Novgorod?

Lol. There are genetic studies of modern Lithuanians, they are the most genetically conservative European population. They are also part Slavic and have been. The grand duchy originated in Lithuania with Lithuanians at the helm.

>There are genetic studies of modern Lithuanians, they are the most genetically conservative European population

Ok but they are not litthuanian. Zhmudzins lived on Zhmudz then Joseph Stalin gave them Wilno and kicked 90% of Wilno's population to Poland. They are as lithuanian as german people living in Gdańsk before WWII were Poles.
They live on former lithuanian lands but it doesn't make them lithuanian because true lithuanian use Polish, or (belo)Rusyn language

It is something like
>Holy
>Roman
>Empire
and Roman Empire(byzantium)

>They live on former lithuanian lands but it doesn't make them lithuanian because true lithuanian use Polish, or (belo)Rusyn language
Nice try, Cziztoph. You seem to be having a hard to understand that languages within peoples can change.

>Stalin kicked "Poles" from Vilnius
When did this happen?

great your language was used in 10% of GDL territory.
And someting about 90% spoke Rusyn

Yes and?
The ruling class was Lithuanian and from that region you've circled. The slavs had high autonomy and weren't genocided, which you wish was otherwise?

Raped by moscow

That's completely irrelevant. You're failing to understand that the dominant language can change. The language doesn't magically change the genetics of the people. Modern Lithuanians are the same people, but they now use a different language. The Lithuanian language from back then isn't even the same language.

I don't understand how this is so dumb, that something like you've just said needs explaining.

Why are slavshits so obsessed with samogitians, anyway?

>Trusting Poland.
>All its lords being paid by Russians and then going to war with them causing Lithuanians/Bel lords to lose any influence they actually had when their only source of money disappeared

Why do they have such a weird shape?

Was used as a punching bag by Sweden/Moscow/Poland/Teutons.

Poland beat up Moscow for a bit because Novgorod stopped existing which kinda made Moscow decide the world was better off without Poland's existence.

>Listening to Polish documents

>WE WUZ GRAND DUKES N SHIEEET
Stop this fucking nonsense.
Later on (Belo)Russian nobility gained more power, and were more numerous, but the state was formed by Lithuanians, ethnic Lithuanians.
t. Russian

>listening to Lithuanian do-
Oh, wait, there are none, since lithshits didn't even have writing until the 19th century.

I'm an anglo, even I know that Poles are scheming back stabbing krypto kikes. Just look at the fake history and deliberate obfuscation you're spreading ITT.

>t. Harry Kazlauskas

Lol most of outsiders (of lithuania) dont know what samogitia is

Poland beating up Moscow is such a novel idea. That time period of that region is just something you never hear about in the west. Is it more taught in other regions other than the one it took place?

Just like how the Lithuanians loved the commonwealth days and wanted to be incorparated in Poland right after they got their independence.

Oh wait they hated you guys and blamed you for getting involved in wars cuz your all jingoists pricks who fabricated claims and pretended everyone was Polish in Lithuania anyway so they should have been apart of Poland.

Poles 'history' is mostly pure fabrication by nationalists.

Its kinda talked about in America when we cover the Time Of Troubles if your in AP/honors classes in HS/University.

I was def explained about the false Dmitris (Polish pretenders who Poland tried to put on the Russian throne). But p much the entire Time of Troubles was caused by Poland burning crops, funding hordes, and causing war in Russia which wiped out over a third of its population.

Partition of Poland was totally justified imo

> The language doesn't magically change the genetics of the people

You fail to understand one thing.
Black circle is place where your "lithuanian"-baltic dna was(and still is) present. Rest of GDL was Rusyns by both DNA and Culture.
Or maybe I am wrong and people from Kijów and Mińsk has baltic DNA too?

Deal with it and stop stealing Belarusian hertridge

You are right polish claimants was fake as hell. For example en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_the_Vilnius_region#Lithuanian_census_of_1939

In 1918:
50% - poles
43% - jews
2,6% - "lithuanians"
It is obvious you stronger claimant for Wilno than Poles

2,6%> 50%
it is just math

Funny thing is that Dimitris claimant was pushed by nobility. Polish king fought war only to reclaim Smoleńsk but then all go too good and russian bojars gave tzar crown to polish crown prince

Moscov had it coming

@3674343
>p*lish
I am Galindian.

>British Empire was indian just because the majority of its population had a genetic aversion to loos
Dumb fucking Shitislav.

>Fighting over a chunk of land
Is anything more Eastern European/ West Asian?

Then germans taking parts of Denmark was also justified

>Another thread where the PIDL destroys the opposition trying to shill against Poland

why are you cucks even trying at this point?

Remeber who fought over Alsace-Lorraine?
Beside Smoleńsk was very important becauses it was the best road to Moscow

>comparing British Empire from XIX century to XIV Lithuania.

Nice, Litwinickius but Lithuania wasn't colonial empire and Rusyan nobility had equal right

>Litwinickius
How fucking pedestrian.

Sorry Litwinski I thought you hate when someone call you using your real surname.