Timelines where everything went to shit

We post and discuss our dystopian alt-history ideas.

>Kennedy isn't assasinated
>he lacks LBJs legislative connections and isn't a southerner
>civil rights initiatives are stuck in a deadlocked senate/house
>Kennedy distrusts the military establishment and holds on to his belief that placing ground troops is a grave mistake
>air support, support personnel and massive aid is helping the sclerotic South Vietnamese regime enough to survive into Kennedys second term
>eventually South Vietnam collapses somwhere around 1966/1967
>democrats are burdened with loosing vietnam
>Republicans win the next election with extreme anti-communist rhetoric (probably nixon or reagan)
>after the jom-kippur war the OPEC states pull the same shit they did OTL
>Reagan/nixon is not having it
>Americas treasure and national morale isn't exhausted
>the arabian peninsula is invaded (nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/take-the-oil-30-years-before-america-invaded-iraq-it-almost-19185)
>the middle east turns into a violent chaotic sectarian mess in the 70s
>islamism rears its ugly head much sooner
>america is stuck in an occupation with no way out
>oil price spike even further for a while because the saudis sabotage the oil wells before being driven out of the country

>I am born
>I didn't die before puberty
>I'm still alive now

Don't even want to think about that prospect

this

our timeline is pretty bad too

that said did Iran and the KSA hate each other back in 1973 as much as they do now?

>Churchill convinces Truman to go ahead with "Operation Unthinkable"
>USA signs a secret peace treaty with Japan
>USA nukes Moscow, Warsaw, Berlin, Belgrade, and Bei'jing
>WW3 starts
>nukes aren't enough to scare commies
>Russia and China coalition manage to occupy all of Europe, as well as Japan
>U.K. is also occupied
>all countries form a coalition against Russia/China/any other Commies
>coalition fights minor campaigns in ME/Africa
>coalition manages to take back Japan
>coalition manages to make a landing in China, however the cost is 100x worse than D-Day
>coalition spends a decade retaking all of Europe and Asia
>during this entire time Soviets and Chinese develop atom bombs
>atomic warfare goes on during this entire time period
>coalition finally wins but at an unimaginable cost
>~2 billion deaths, humanity is knocked back to pre-industrial revolution

Our timeline is pretty Good actually. We avoided nuclear war and the system of international politics that developed after 1945 is pretty good in avoiding serious large scale conflicts.

you know he's probably a /pol/ poster

meaning if it's a timeline where blacks exist it's terrible

>you know he's probably a /pol/ poster

Probably but just yelling "STORMFAG" only makes it worse.

Your TL doesn't make sense.

The Soviets just asspulling the navy to invade Japan and GB or developing a sufficient number of nuclear weapons to have a real impact before WW3 ends are the two most obvious points.

Eh. The UK/Japan being invaded might be stupid

But atom bombs aren't out of the question
In real TL Soviets developed nukes in the late 40's my timeline takes place over at least a decade.
So they should easily be able to do it. Considering their spy network would likely be better.

>2018
>Trumps tax reform bill fails
>the massive bull stock market from 2017 onwards is out of steam
>Dow Jones industrial average falls from 23,700 to 18,000 over the course of a month
>investor confidence plummets, Italian banking system begins to collapse
>central banks around the world begin to panic and interest rates go back to zero or negative
>entire european banking system begins to collapse, capital begins to flee to Germany and the UK seeking safety
>massive terrorists attacks rock european cities, 700 dead thousands wounded, ISIS is defeated in the middle east and now they take down as many people as they can
>massive social unrest in germany as people feel they are shackled to a corpse(the EU)
>american stock market continues to deteriorate
>widespread defaults in the american shale oil sector, american oil production peaks and falls shortly after
>price of oil skyrockets to $140/ barrel
>Saudi Arabia and Iran begin gearing up for war using the cash injection from high oil prices
>oil now $200/barrel
>chinese economy begins to collapse, unemployment skyrockets, rioting begins
>euroskeptic parties begins to win elections, germany has referendum to leave the EU
>war begins in the middle east, refugee situation multiplies by an order of magnitude
>strait of hormuz is closed, 20 million barrels of oil a day are taken away from the market, oil shoots to $400/barrel
>american shale oil unable to restart production, financial system is completely locked up
>world GDP collapses to 1995 levels
>pension plans are wiped out int he financial turmoil, boomers go out en mass and vote for extremist political parties
>California votes to separate from the united states

All this depends on American shale oil failing but this has not happened, even with Saudis waging a price war, and now the Saudis fiscal condition is in crisis.

If the financial system collapses and they can't get new funding they are screwed, they did not even have positive cash flow when oil was $110 a barrel

>But atom bombs aren't out of the question
In real TL Soviets developed nukes in the late 40's my timeline takes place over at least a decade.
So they should easily be able to do it. Considering their spy network would likely be better.

They would be stuck in war economy with significantly less ressources. The USA meanwhile would probably have a better defense against soviet spies due to war measures.

And even if they manage to develop the bomb they still have one or two at most and they are reliant on heavy bombers (which they would have to develop aswell) against crushing allied air superiority.

They would nuke a city or two at best. And even that ius unlikely.

*fucked up the reentext

Their mere presence and the existence of massive American underground oil reserves keeps oil prices depressed. Peak oil prices are now a phantom, a memory.

They stole nukes in the late 40s, they didn't develop them independently. The only reason they were able to do that was because Truman was a Zionist cuck and filled his government with Bolshevik Jews.

>California votes to separate from the united states

wtf I want to fight to preserve the Union now.

This will be the salvation of the white race. If things keep being fine were just going to get a globalist, race mixed world with Jewish and capitalist overlords.

I live in Oklahoma and I promise you the local governments will do anything to get shale/fracking going. They're currently essentially subsidizing the oil industry here in Oklahoma at the expense of our tax income thus hurting our teachers, infrastructure, police and fire departments. Shale will find a way. Its the same in Canada, politicians bend over backwards for oil companies even when they fail to profit enough to actually benefit the state.

>>California votes to separate from the united states
I wish.

>Its the same in Canada, politicians bend over backwards for oil companies

Nah I live in Alberta, our oil industry is fucked we can;t even get a pipeline built, we couldn't even get a pipeline built with the conservative in the federal and provincial government, and all major oil companies abandoned Alberta since 2015

Fuck off with your stormfag shit.

And yeah the soviets accelarated their development with informations from american moles/defectors BUT they had Nazi scientists helping them. Eventually they would have developed the bomb.

And ofc it was easier for the soviets to infiltrate the USA. An open society is an easier target for that than a closed one

How fucked would europe be if some powerful and belowedpope enforced the term of Gift of Constantine on weak and hated HRE emperor and then united all former WRE lands and possibly beyond under the flag of papacy?

you're a fucking retard

none of the atomic spies had any connection to Truman

If you want to blame somebody blame the British, some of the primary spies were sent by them

Why would they nuke Beijing before the commies took control over China?

tanks, oil fires, desert...what could possibly be wrong with pic related?

2005-today

What are you implying ?

>Entente wins WW1
>Reds win Russian Civil War
Man, imagine how shit that timeline would be

USA nuking KMT China
To what end?

I'm not an expert on China civil war. But I thought I remember learning that Bei'Jing was commie HQ and Shaghai was nationlist HQ?

I might be wrong? Been about 2 years

>Vasili Arkhipov is on board another submarine or is on leave or something that results in him not being present on B-59 leaving a generic, ideologically-blinded Soviet yes-man in his position
>USS Randolph keeps dropping depth charges
>Soviet submarine officers go full AHHHHHHHMOTHERLAND and agree to launch nukes at US fleet
>entire US fleet vaporized
>American government believes Soviets are launching strategic nukes
>American military leaders argue to launch nukes at USSR
>Kennedy pushes the button
>Soviets freak out thinking America started WW3
>Soviets launch nukes at America
>both countries wiped the fuck out and irradiated to shit
>hundreds of millions of people die in nuclear hellstorm
>conventional war starts even though capital and major cities in US and USSR are in ruins
>Soviets break through into Western Europe
>China mobilizes even though Beijing has probably been obliterated
>China and North Korea overrun South Korea and invade Japan with whatever assistance the Soviets are able to spare from the war in Europe
>Soviets smash through Germany and into France
>more nukes wipe out Soviet forces but fuck up West Germany
>insane war kills untold millions but NATO ultimately wins due to having 3 times the amount of nukes as the Soviets and their allies to wipe out a larger percentage of their population and ability to wage war
>both sides utterly destroyed and most major countries on earth completely destroyed
>only unscathed regions are South America, Africa and possibly India
>with no UN to prevent and mediate conflicts in Africa, ethnic and cultural clashes balloon into massive wars and African dictators start conquering shit tons of smaller countries and probably genocide rebellious ethnic minorities
>South America is similar, with larger, more powerful countries invading their neighbors and consolidating regional power
>countries wiped out in nuclear war are in post-apocalyptic, Fallout-tier anarchy
>few surviving regions plagued by war and starvation

>California votes to separate from the united states

Still worth it.

>with no UN to prevent and mediate conflicts in Africa, ethnic and cultural clashes balloon into massive wars and African dictators start conquering shit tons of smaller countries and probably genocide rebellious ethnic minorities

From a purely historical standpoint it would be very interesting to see how the world would develop.

The surviving western experts/remnant military units would become invaluable mercenaries. States like Australia and South Africa would become new great powers (probably raiding and starting a new age of imperialism).

Black markets fo irradicated western goods.

African warlords would become strong intermediary powers used in proxy wars.

>States like Australia and South Africa would become new great powers (probably raiding and starting a new age of imperialism).
YAMEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I feel like Brazil and Argentina would become powerful too since South America would probably be almost completely unscathed. I wonder if at some point Argentina would probably try to take over Uruguay, maybe Chile, Paraguay and Bolivia and even possibly parts of Brazil. Brazil would maybe take over the former French, Dutch and British colonies in Suriname and Guiana and maybe parts of Colombia, Venezuela or Bolivia. Peru or Colombia might try to take Ecuador since it would be too small to defend itself against it's larger neighbors. Additionally, since South America would have probably the majority of the world's remaining industry, it would probably be a major trade partner of weapons and industrial equipment with the new African military dictatorships.

I feel like Brazil and Argentina would become powerful too since South America would probably be almost completely unscathed. Peron was out of power by the Cuban Missile Crisis so I don't know if they'd start invading immediately, if at all, but I feel like at some point Argentina would probably try to take over Uruguay, maybe Chile, Paraguay and Bolivia and even possibly parts of Brazil. Brazil would probably take over the former French, Dutch and British colonies in Suriname and Guiana and maybe parts of Colombia, Venezuela or Bolivia. Peru or Colombia would probably try to take Ecuador since it would be too small to defend itself against it's larger neighbors. Additionally, since South America would have probably the majority of the world's remaining industry, it would probably be a major trade partner of weapons and industrial equipment with the new African military dictatorships.

>I feel like Brazil and Argentina would become powerful too

Yeah probably. Especially with western specialists flooding in.

>Additionally, since South America would have probably the majority of the world's remaining industry, it would probably be a major trade partner of weapons and industrial equipment with the new African military dictatorships.

Probably. If nuclear winter doesn't happen these regions might experience explosive growth after a while.

A South American Car industry competing with an Australian one etc.

Africa would provide the raw materials.