Was sexual liberation a mistake?

Fags have been saying this shit for centuries

>Was sexual liberation a mistake?
Only for people who think that society owes them a wife because they're too much of a lazy sperg to go out and earn one

This is a normie argument, women have never been as reveling as they are today . Don't pretend that men were complaining that women were getting progressively more slutty for the past 1000 years. And now you're going to tell everyone that they're beta virgins incels while you get laid 9 times a week with different women. Fuck outta here

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The point is shes reading something trendy, sitting like a lazy man, and smoking. How did you view this and not think that? Yup 1915 women were really slutty

>The point is shes reading something trendy, sitting like a lazy man, and smoking.
Don't forget "showing off some leg"

>Yup 1915 women were really slutty
They sure were by the standards of the Victorian society they came after

You do realise that I can say the same for the pic in the OP right?
Societal progress means these things happen and no amount of bitching will make everyone wear burkas so that they don't accidentally soil their honor by showing an ankle
Americans are so fucked in the head sexually

>Societal progress means these things happen and no amount of bitching will make everyone wear burkas so that they don't accidentally soil their honor by showing an ankle

And given below-replacement TFRs, how is such "societal progress" expected to continue?

What happens when even Nigerians in darkest Africa decide that they'd much rather die as embittered cat ladies than have children?

>Americans are so fucked in the head sexually
Says the European that draped Piano legs because it was too provocative, fuck off from your high horse

How the fuck can anyone predict how society will progress?
Can you see the future?

>STDs are spreading rapidly and getting worse
Use condoms and/or don't fuck whores then, no one is forcing you to.

>porn is more accessible then ever
Pretty great, eh?

>millions of babies are murdered in the womb
lol

>kids are being taught how to have sex in school
Well it is an important thing to know.

>piano legs
Whut

No

Not all Americans m8

But be honest, you have them in your country, too

>How the fuck can anyone predict how society will progress?

How is it "societal progress" if the society in question clearly can't survive without a generous infusion of migrants from "less socially progressive" nations?

What is the end game for sexual liberation, anyway?

Yes but that weird trend of oversexualising everythung while being deathly afraid of nudity is strange

>And given below-replacement TFRs,
caused by industrialization and cosmopolitanism. The African growth rate will stabilize once it finished developing just like every other country on the world, which just isn't big enough for everybody to go on squeezing out as many kids as they possibly can.

>it's a WE ARE GOING EXTINCT
mate just calm your shit, this sexual liberation thing was bound to happen as a result of social circumstances Post-WW2 and if it makes you feel better I think the bubble will burst soon and we'll be back to wearing 10 layers of clothes in summer
Also this

Oh it's going to end one way or another I don't doubt that, I just don't think embittered cat ladies are a sign of "social progress"

>, I just don't think embittered cat ladies are a sign of "social progress"
As opposed to embittered house wives who make their husband's lives a living hell because they hate each other and there's nothing they can do to terminate the relationship?

>outweigh some temporary pleasure
Holy shit go back to incels

You do know that ''cat lady''is a general term for an older woman who has alot of cats, usually compensating for the death of a husband?
Besides, not like it's any different than a NEET with a body pillow collection

>As opposed to embittered house wives who make their husband's lives a living hell because they hate each other and there's nothing they can do to terminate the relationship?

And how many women now compared to the '50s are on anti-depressants/painkillers?

I mean, I'm not holding up the '50s as the paragon of intersexual relations - what a lot of the '50s fantasists forget is how much even that period was recovering from the wrenching dislocations of the '40s. If the '50s were so good, why the hell did that generation's kids become Boomers?

>Besides, not like it's any different than a NEET with a body pillow collection

I know, it's a two-way street with different male pathologies caused by societal dysfunction.

>And how many women now compared to the '50s are on anti-depressants/painkillers?
How many anti-depressants/painkillers were widely available in the 50's?

That's more a reflection of our ability to diagnose and treat these symptoms than to simply sweep them under the carpet and pretend like they don't exist

Everyone in the 50's was smoking like a chimney and popping pills like there was no tomorrow, teen pregnancy was up dramatically, so was drug use, that and a drive for conformity the teens wanted to say fuck you mom and dad=sexual liberation, that and widespread use of birth control

>That's more a reflection of our ability to diagnose and treat these symptoms than to simply sweep them under the carpet and pretend like they don't exist

I think the fact that almost 25% of women report being "dispensed medication for a mental health condition" is a bit more worrying than a shrug of "well, now we know approximately 25% of our population is mentally fucked up at any one point in time"

>Everyone in the 50's was smoking like a chimney and popping pills like there was no tomorrow, teen pregnancy was up dramatically, so was drug use, that and a drive for conformity

Again, because of the same wrenching dislocations created by World War 2 and the Great Depression. Of course everyone's gonna be a fucking fruitcake if daddy came back with shell shock and mommy had to work in a factory essentially leaving you to your own devices.

>Use condoms and/or don't fuck whores then, no one is forcing you to.
I was talking about how in general that STD's are spreading faster and becoming more dangerous

>Pretty great, eh?
No it's not. More people are developing disgusting fetishes and becoming unmotivated to start a family.

>lol
You think the murder of millions of innocent humans is funny you sick bastard?

>Well it is an important thing to know.
I agree, which is why it should be left to the parents and not some bad teachers. The current way they teach it is also terrible

>I think the fact that almost 25% of women report being "dispensed medication for a mental health condition" is a bit more worrying than a shrug of "well, now we know approximately 25% of our population is mentally fucked up at any one point in time"
Do you seriously think that mental problems didn't exist in ye olde golden age?
>Again, because of the same wrenching dislocations created by World War 2 and the Great Depression. Of course everyone's gonna be a fucking fruitcake if daddy came back with shell shock and mommy had to work in a factory essentially leaving you to your own devices.
You do realize that the Baby Boom started after WW2, right?

>Again, because of the same wrenching dislocations created by World War 2 and the Great Depression. Of course everyone's gonna be a fucking fruitcake if daddy came back with shell shock and mommy had to work in a factory essentially leaving you to your own devices.
There you have it then, you answered your question

>I was talking about how in general that STD's are spreading faster and becoming more dangerous
but protection against them is becoming much more effective
>No it's not. More people are developing disgusting fetishes and becoming unmotivated to start a family.
fetishes existed before porn was widespread, sweeping it under the carpet just made people be sneaky about it. Also, plenty of dads look at porn, not everybody is obsessive about jerking it to porn, and usually people who do have more serious problems to deal with.
>You think the murder of millions of innocent humans is funny you sick bastard?
What I think is funny is that in a world as overpopulated as ours, you want us to barrel blindly towards a Malthusian catastrophe because "muh morality"
>I agree, which is why it should be left to the parents and not some bad teachers.
Parents suck at it. Educators can do it in an impartial manner which stresses healthy, positive outlets for sexuality.

>but protection against them is becoming much more effective
Well clearly not because they're spreading faster and becoming more dangerous

>fetishes existed before porn was widespread
Not the same kind of fetishes that are promoted by pornsites nowadays

>What I think is funny is that in a world as overpopulated as ours, you want us to barrel blindly towards a Malthusian catastrophe because "muh morality"
Well unlike you I actually care whether or not people behave morally and I care about the fact that millions of innocent humans are being murdered because of this.

>Parents suck at it. Educators can do it in an impartial manner which stresses healthy, positive outlets for sexuality.
1. Parents are better at it because they have the trust of their children unlike a badly paid public teacher who probably doesn't even care and who the student probably hates
2. There is nothing good about harm reduction education because it assumes that the students will inevitably do something harmful. Why should teachers normalize all this pre-mature sex?

>pearl clutching this hard
Get over it.

ALL OF YOU GET A LIFE! ALL OF YOU!
HOW IS THIS Veeky Forums?

>no amount of bitching will make everyone wear burkas
Bitching won't, other things will. Sexual liberation is cancer that will be put down in due time. Same with LGBTBBQ bullshit.

>Well clearly not because they're spreading faster and becoming more dangerous
Humans have always been locked in an arms race with diseases. It's a function of having denser populations.
>Not the same kind of fetishes that are promoted by pornsites nowadays
So you're the arbiter who gets to decide what is and isn't acceptable fetishes?
>Well unlike you I actually care whether or not people behave morally and I care about the fact that millions of innocent humans are being murdered because of this.
And unlike you I don't want to see humans face a mass die off just because we could never learn how to moderate our base impulses to reproduce. And the people getting abortions are generally not the kind of people you'd want raising children in the first place, it's voluntary eugenics.
>1. Parents are better at it because they have the trust of their children
No, they're worse at it because they're too emotionally invested in the discussion that they project their own insecurities onto their children
>a badly paid public teacher who probably doesn't even care and who the student probably hates
Then raise salaries and hire better qualified teachers
>2. There is nothing good about harm reduction education
And abstinence literally has the exact opposite effect: makes the children fucking clueless so they're more apt to make stupid decisions when they're trying to deal with what their naturally raging hormones are telling them to do.

>m-muh cancer
>IT'S TOTTALY GONNA HAPPEN THIS TIME GUISE
Oh fuck off, all this alphabet nonsense is not going to be ''put down'', whatever that means, it will just blow over like every other trend in history ever

Sorry kiddo, but the reaction is rightfully on the rise. Poland, Romania, Russia of course. The West is doomed for sure, the East not so much.

Nigga are you fucking serious? Russia has the highest abortion rate, the highest rate of heavy drug use, the highest rates of depression and suicide. They're spiraling down the shitter faster than western countries are.

What? What does that even mean?
There will always be someone who is counter to whatever is popular, no matter how popular it is
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>stating russia as a paragon of societal reformation
I'll give you Poland and Romania since I don't know shit about them tho

Only the most deluded person would think that a transient ideology will usurp the innate biological urge to procreate and that mankind will die due to women refusing to have children.

Societies that actively attempt to revert major social changes almost never prosper as a result. This does not mean all change is good; it just means that you cannot cross the same river twice.

For you.

>Humans have always been locked in an arms race with diseases. It's a function of having denser populations.
But sexual liberation is a direct cause of this situation, that is what's being argued.

>So you're the arbiter who gets to decide what is and isn't acceptable fetishes?
Never said I was

>And unlike you I don't want to see humans face a mass die off
They're already dying off in the womb

>And the people getting abortions are generally not the kind of people you'd want raising children in the first place, it's voluntary eugenics.
So because some people could be bad parents, we should just murder all their babies? That's absolutely disgusting

>No, they're worse at it because they're too emotionally invested in the discussion
How is that necessarily bad? Emotional experiences are powerful motivators

>And abstinence literally has the exact opposite effect: makes the children fucking clueless
The whole point of abstinence is to avoid, so I'm not sure how you think a youth who has been taught abstinence will think to go and have sex.

Wait hold on a second and take a moment to remember &humanities

>Romania
Romania is literally the poster child for why "pro-life" policies don't work
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_770
wealthy women go to a different country to get an abortion, middle class women bribe a doctor, working women go to a shitty, unlicensed quack.

The only people having tons of children are the underclass, the poorest of the poorest and the least qualified members of society to raise a baby boom generation who live lives of poverty, crime, squalor and deprivation and hate your society's guts with a revolutionary fervor.

I love how you retards now say "It's because you don't have sex" instead of "it's because you don't have a lover".

It's because the only thing you care about is sex and the meaningless egotistical self validation that goes with it rather than love and actually building a meaningful and lasting relationship

>What does that even mean?
It means he's LARPing as a fascist. He probably genuinely thinks that, in the modern age, fascists can seize control of the reins of power in western civilization, purge the non-whites and degenerates, and make a "PVRE TRVE EVROPA" again, completely blind to the fact that WWII has inoculated Europe against fascist ideals, for good or ill.

>But sexual liberation is a direct cause of this situation, that is what's being argued.
No it's fucking not. Industrialization is.
>Never said I was
Then stop sperging out just because somebody has a fetish you don't like
>They're already dying off in the womb
and not burdening our society
>So because some people could be bad parents, we should just murder all their babies? That's absolutely disgusting
Would you rather them be raised to be thugs and criminals who murder other people's babies? We already have enough humans on the planet, it's time to start being selective about the kind of person we bring into the world
>How is that necessarily bad? Emotional experiences are powerful motivators
Because emotions cloud judgement and lead to irrational tendencies to control and dominate instead of guide and educate
>The whole point of abstinence is to avoid, so I'm not sure how you think a youth who has been taught abstinence will think to go and have sex.
And the whole reason it doesn't work is because you're asking teenagers to fight their own instincts and hormones, which is invariably a losing battle. And when they do finally succumb, they don't use protection, they don't pull out, they don't know how to judge a healthy sexual relationship built on mutual respect from an unhealthy one built on coercion

While I do agree with you, please don't bait the /pol/tards you know they get uppity

Then clearly they aren't working hard enough. They should institute public executions for anyone found guilty of aborting a child or having their child aborted.

>They should institute public executions for anyone found guilty of aborting a child or having their child aborted
Do you even realize the irony of being pro-death penalty in support of pro-life?

He probably doesn't

I am not pro-life. Children are only of value because they can serve as workers for the State. Their deaths are not objectionable; it is the labor denied to the State that is worthy of execution.

Wisdom. This incel backlash against sexuality absolutely reeks of sour grapes.

>Children are only of value because they can serve as workers for the State. Their deaths are not objectionable; it is the labor denied to the State that is worthy of execution.
That's exactly how the Romanians under Nicolae Ceaușescu saw it, and all they ended up doing was forcing their underclass to raise a generation of revolutionaries to violently overthrow them.

yes

>commie
Opinion denied, go stand in a bread line faggot

Statistics. Have you actually been to Russia? Also a lot of those stats are high because Russia's population is bigger than many European countries'. Of course it's going to look inflated. Then there's also Soros' campaign against anything conservative. Open Society runs many MANY agencies that produce those statistics. This isn't even meme conspiracy theory, it's plain facts.

What I mean is, gays are being beaten up in Eastern Europe. Women tend to be traditional, not all of them though. A lot of women are influenced by western celebrity culture that's being pressed onto us by western-owned media companies. The gay agenda is also heavily being pushed, but Romania's government, Hungary's government and Poland's government are taking steps against it. Poland recently added Christ Himself to the Constitution.

I disagree. USSR started out liberal, then reverted. I'd say it did well for itself and collapsed because Gorbachev and Khruschev fucked up. Bad. So we don't get into yet another muh communism muh tankie debate, I'll just say that the East has always been more conservative. We remained unchanged in society for centuries, and with good reason too, we haven't lost our way unlike the West.

>anyone with conservative values is a fascist

Lmao kys, by that logic entirety of Eastern Europe is fascist. Go fuck yourself.

I don't get this guy.
Is he a commieboo?
Russiaboo?
Conservatard?
I simply don't understand

>arguing with holes

>dude talks about rates
>w-well it's just because the population is huge

So this is the power of internet atheism.
You are right about overpopulation though but the thing is that the rest of the world doesn't care about it.

>You think the murder of millions of innocent humans is funny you sick bastard?

Yes. What are you going to do about it, bitch? I hope more die tomorrow!

in terms of short term benefits no

but in the long term absolutely yes

It indirectly destroyed the job market, marriage and family in one swoop

"bit ye ma dik fee;s good doh"

Good argument.

promoting being a whore is, theres a middle ground

>I think a literal meme from the Victorian age is absolute truth
Are you sure you belong on Veeky Forums?

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>nobody saves it till marriage
who cares

>STDs are spreading rapidly and getting worse
source

>porn is more accessible then ever
blame the internet, not sexual lib. Assbackwards arabs watch more porn than you probably.

>millions of babies are murdered in the womb because people have sex just for pleasure and not to procreate
Nobody cares about fetuses, nobody thinks they are real people. Having sex for pleasure is based.

>and kids are being taught how to have sex in school.
Oh no, school is teaching something that might actually be useful.

>I don't see how anyone could think it was good
Because all of the complaints are literally nothing. You're going to have to do better than that if you want to force people to not only live the way you want, but to punish others for not living that way, and even punish others for not punishing others. (what it takes to keep a norm alive)

Do you want me to dump my 19th century porn collection?

>It's because the only thing you care about is sex and the meaningless egotistical self validation that goes with it rather than love and actually building a meaningful and lasting relationship
Maybe they just realize that sex and love are orthogonal. Love is something you can have with friends. Sex is its own thing. Sometimes, on rare occasions, you can have sex and love with the same person. But just because you don't insist on holding out for love in pursuing sex, does not mean that you do not understand love.

Honestly I don't care. I love to see women in tight skirts, pantyhose, in g-string and thongs, in footwear that reveals their painted toes.

I love how slutty women are right now, becaue I get my dick wet easily. I like to see thick asses and tits being out in the open.

Only betas, incels and numales would get mad at free and not fucking-up brain real world porn.

Yes.

The breakdown of family ended up creating a less stable environment for the new generations.

And it led to a hedonistic outlook of life, which ends up making people miserable.

Don't worry. Normies are creating the perfect STD and poisoning their bodies with drugs, alcohol and birth control.

Taking porn and STDs aside, these things are a net benefit to society

Teaching kids about Sex in school is fucking mandatory. I know girls/guys who lost their Virginity at 12, shouldn't they at least know hot to use a fucking condom?

>And how many women now compared to the '50s are on anti-depressants/painkillers?
America has an unhealthy relationship with prescription drugs. This isn't a problem basically anywhere else in the industrial world.

Nu males are "people" like you

>STD's are spreading faster
source

>and becoming more dangerous
nigger Syphilis used to be one of the deadliest diseases a few centuries ago

&humanities can mean ANYTHING! You can literally post anything and tangentiallly Linkin to humanities

>This isn't a problem basically anywhere else in the industrial world.

It actually is on a obvious smaller scale.

Sounds like you're salty about something here, my little friend.

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>Sexual liberation is cancer that will be put down in due time.
Not a hope mate. It's the new normal. You can't impose a rural agrarian culture on an urban information-age society. Get used to the new world, or don't and wait for it to evolve beyond recognition. Either way you can't go back.

> STD''s are spreading rapidly
This is the only inherently negative thing you mentioned, and quell surprise, it's also wrong (at least for Europe - in America, chlamydia is on the rise, but Americans are fucking disgusting, stupid and degenerate, so they don't count)
> Millions of babies murdered in their wombs
There is no reason to assume that these babies would have lived fulfilling lives, or even been conceived, in the first place, so that's bullshit.

The rest of your argument is basically "muh feelings".

I'm not him, but they are not positive developments.

An increase in premarital sexual relations tends to weaken marriage, which ends up having harmful effects later on.

Sexual hedonism makes people unhappier.

Also, an observation: sexual education doesn't work in reducing STDs or unwanted pregnancies.

t. American who has no idea what anything past the 20th century was like

I can, actually.

>In the presence of Polish President Andrzej Duda and other top officials from both church and state, Jesus Christ was officially recognized as the King of Poland in a Catholic ceremony. Declared to be Poland's Lord and Savior, the Messiah was asked to rule over the Polish nation, its people, and its government. The ceremony was held last month at the Church of Divine Mercy in Krakow and then repeated at churches across Poland, marking the 1050th anniversary of the nation's Christianity. The congregation also renounced the devil and all his evil works.

Why do you think mindless hedonism is a necessary consequence of an information society?

>FACTS are useless, here, let me post my FEELINGS about Russia

You are deluded and a brainlet, fuck off and never come back

Hello Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

Sexual liberation isn't the same thing as mindless hedonism.