Since subhuman Gayrm*n untermensch claim that our ancestors(Merovingian French) wuz Gayrm*ns here is an indebt etymological studies on Frankish leaders starting with Francio, our forefather, and ending with Childeric the Third, the last Merovingian French king.
>Methodology I searched(in Celtic and Germanic dictionnaires) words morphologically-close from Frankish given names, i then compared their relatedness using the Damerau–Levenshtein distance analysis method. I mainly used Gaulish and Old High German, because these two languages are the ones that the Merovingian French might have spoken.
>Bibliography Dictionnaire de la langue gauloise by Xavier Delamarre Etymological Dictionnary of Proto-Celtic by Ranko Matasović Neuenglisch-althochdeutsches Wörterbuch by Gerhard Köbler Etymological Dictionary of Proto-Germanic by Guus Kroonen
>Terminology : G = Gaulish OHG = Old High German PC = Proto-Celtic PG = Proto-Germanic
>Francio Celtic : PC *Froanko "to reach". Germanic : OHG *Frenken "to threaten", PG *Freka "avaricious". >Damerau–Levenshtein distance analysis Froanko > Franko > Frankio Frenken > Franken > Frankin > Frankio Freka > Frenka > Franka > Franki > Frankio >Conclusion Using Damerau–Levenshtein distance analysis, Celtic is closer from Francio than Germanic.
>Genobod-us Celtic : G *Genoboduos "Lineage-of-the-crow", G *Genoboudi "Victorious-lineage". Germanic : OHG *Kunnibodam "Kin-of-the-ground", OHG *Kunnabodam "Kin-of-the-ground" *Ginenbodam "Yawn-of-the ground". >Damerau–Levenshtein distance analysis Genoboduos > Genoboduo > Genobodu > Genobod Genoboudi > Genobodi > Genobod Ginenbodam > Genenbodam > Genonbodam > Genobodam > Genoboda > Genobod Kunnibodam > Gunnibodam > Gennibodam > Genoibodam > Genobodam > Genoboda > Genobod Kunnabodam > Gunnabodam > Gennabodam > Genoabodam > Genobodam > Gonoboda > Genobod >Conclusion Using Damerau–Levenshtein distance analysis, Celtic is closer from Genobod than Germanic, furthermore, the Germanic compound words make no sense.
David Thompson
Ta gueule autiste de merde
Landon Johnson
>Ascaric Celtic: G *Esoxrix "Salmon-king", PC *Eskorig "Salmon-king", PC Eskyorig "Moon-king" Germanic: OHG *Askarihhi "Ruler-of-the-ashes", OHG *Askorihhi "Salmon-king", PG *Askarik "Ruler-of-ash/Ash-ruler" >Damerau–Levenshtein distance analysis Askarik Askarihhi > Askarikhi > Askariki > Askarik Eskyorig > Askyorig > Askaorig > Askarig Esoxrix > Asoxrix > Ascoxrix > Ascaxrix > Ascarix Askorihhi > Askarihhi > Askarikhi > Askariki > Ascarik >Conclusion Using Damerau–Levenshtein distance analysis, Germanic is closer from Ascaric than Celtic, furthermore, the PG compound word match perfectly this name. This name is Germanic.
Ignoré
Aiden Phillips
>Damerau–Levenshtein distance not a valid metric for linguistics
Aaron Robinson
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Josiah Collins
As you said it's just a claim from random sperglords. The Gauls didn't disappear magically, of course the Merovingians have a high chance to be their descendents.
Wyatt Howard
Karl Magnus ("Charlemagne") preferred to live in Aachen, which means he was German
John Jones
Daily reminder you're dealing with this guy
Sebastian Clark
not that user, faggot. The Franks can be traced back to expatriate royal nobility of the Troad diaspora who escaped the celtization of the greatest part of their people in Pannonia in the 4th century BC because of their status. These people eventually moved west into Magna Germania and later became the Franks.
They were originally accompanied by Venetians out of Anatolia, some of them from whom the name of the modern city is derived.
Carter Phillips
>Merogais-us Celtic : G Merogaison "Mad-spear", PC *Merogayso "Mad-spear" Germanic : OHG *Smerogair "Far-spear" *Smeroger "Fat-spear", PG *Merigaiza "Famous-spear". >Damerau–Levenshtein distance analysis Merogayso > Merogays Merigaiza > Merogaiza > Merogaiz Merogaison > Merogaiso > Merogais Smerogair > Merogair > Merogais Smeroger > Meroger > Merogar > Merogai > Merogais >Conclusion Using Damerau–Levenshtein distance analysis, Celtic is closer from Merogais than Germanic, furthermore, Merogais is an attested Gaulish name. This name is Gaulish.
>Malaric-us Celtic : G Mallorix "Lazy-king", PC *Mallorig "Lazy-king". Germanic : OHG *Malzrihhi "Malt-king", PG *Malanrik "Grind-king", PG *Malharik "Bag-king" . >Damerau–Levenshtein distance analysis Malanrik > Malarik Malharik > Malarik Mallorix > Malarix > Malarix Mallorig > Malorig > Malarig Malzrihhi > Malarikhi > Malariki > Malarik >Conclusion Using Damerau–Levenshtein distance analysis, Germanic is closer from Malaric than Celtic, but Malaric is attested in Gaulish, and Celtic compound words make sense unlike Germanic . This name is Gaulish.
>Malobod-us Celtic : G *Malloboduos "Lazy-crow/Slow-crow " , G *Malloboudi "Lazy-victory/Slow-victory" Germanic : OHG *Malzbodam"Malt-ground". PG *Malanbadwo "Grind-battle" >Damerau–Levenshtein distance analysis Malloboduos > Malloboduo > Mallobodu > Mallobod Malloboudi > Mallobodi > Mallobodi > Mallobod Malzbodam > Malobodam > Maloboda > Malobod Malonbadwo > Malobadwo > Malobodwo > Malobodw > Malobod >Conclusion Using Damerau–Levenshtein distance analysis, neither Celtic nor Germanic are close from Malaric, however, Celtic compound words make more sense the Germanic ones.
It's actually used See
Computational Linguistics: Applications - Page 17
Kevin Anderson
what?? isn't like every other frankish name extremely germanic? like childeric, hlodowig, etc.
Connor Brooks
WE WUZ SLAVSHITS N SHIT
Jacob Green
pretty sure your ancestor was some mongoloid or the village idiot somewhere
Nolan Green
WE
Nathan Rogers
>Padua claims to be the oldest city in northern Italy. According to a tradition dated at least to the time of Virgil's Aeneid and to Livy's Ab Urbe Condita, Padua was founded in around 1183 BC by the Trojan prince Antenor. After the Fall of Troy, Antenor led a group of Trojans and their Paphlagonian allies, the Eneti or Veneti, who lost their king Pylaemenes to settle the Euganean plain in Italy. >archeological remains confirm an early date for the foundation of the center of the town to between the 11th and 10th centuries BC >The Roman historian Livy records an attempted invasion by the Spartan king Cleonimos around 302 BC. The Spartans came up the river but were defeated by the Veneti in a naval battle and gave up the idea of conquest. Still later, the Veneti of Padua successfully repulsed invasions by the Etruscans and Gauls. According to Livy and Silius Italicus, the Veneti, including those of Padua, formed an alliance with the Romans by 226 BC against their common enemies, first the Gauls and then the Carthaginians. Men from Padua fought and died beside the Romans at Cannae.
"The Paphlagonians were one of the most ancient nations of Anatolia and listed among the allies of the Trojans in the Trojan War (ca. 1200 BC), where their king Pylaemenes and his son Harpalion perished (Iliad, ii. 851—857). According to Homer and Livy, a group of Paphlagonians, called the Enetoi in Greek, were expelled from their homeland during a revolution. With a group of defeated Trojans under the leadership of the Trojan prince Antenor, they emigrated to the northern end of the Adriatic coast and later merged with indigenous Euganei giving the name Venetia to the area they settled."
so many of them were famously seafaring and river navigating pirate merchants, I find it hard to consider.
West Slavs at the most.
Bentley Flores
>Goths in Toulouse
Again Maciamo is fucking clueless
Goths settled around the Garonne (mainly Bordeaux), after we expelled them , they went to Catalonia and Northern Spain.
Jaxson Cooper
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_history_of_Pomerania#Lusatian_Culture_.28Eastern_Pomerania.29 >There was a dispute between German and Polish historians concerning the ethnicity of the Lusatian Culture people. This dispute had reached its climax in the interbellum and also after World War II. Recent studies conclude a multi-ethnic character,[38] prominently including the Veneti, but also Germanic peoples in the Northwest and Slavic peoples in the East.[43]
Why does these peoples have such a massive geographical and temporal range?
Justin Diaz
>My name came from hebrew therefore I am a jew :)
Jeremiah Nelson
Germanic* He was Dutch, Dutch literally descends from Frankish.
Nathan Baker
>Veneti can't sit still in Poland and move to other countries creating their own settlements there
>Polacks can't sit in their own country and move abroad to create their own Polish shops and never assimilate
WHOA
Zachary Edwards
>He thinks Germanic = German Good to know we're dealing with a literal retard.
Colton Wood
>My name came from hebrew therefore I am a jew :)
The Franks never claimed to be Germanic, they claimed to be Gauls and so did the people that encountered them.
Zachary Barnes
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetulani >The Venetulani number among the 53 peoples of Latium Vetus that Pliny the Elder records as having perished without leaving a trace (interiere sine vestigiis). They are counted among the 30 Alban communities that carried out sacrificial activities on Mons Albanus. The name derive from a Veneti settlement which may have been called Venetulum.[1]
>The Venicones were a people of ancient Britain, known only from a single mention of them by the geographer Ptolemy c. 150 AD. He recorded that their town was 'Orrea'.[1] This has been identified as the Roman fort of Horrea Classis, located by Rivet and Smith as Monifieth, six miles east of Dundee.[2] Therefore, they are presumed to have lived between the Tay and the Mounth, south of Aberdeen.
Look at the Irish Vennicnii.
Jordan Mitchell
>this thread t. In Nomine Jassa
Were Suebes ancient polacks?
Thomas Ortiz
The Suebi/Swebaz are germanic tribe/conferation from northern germany. The Lugiones in central poland are Polish.
Angel Perez
>On the subject of the extracts below I would obseite that, if the Veneti of the Adriatic came at that early period from the East, from Asia Minor, and settled on the Euganean Hills, and there is to prove the fallacy of this tradition, and they were, as we are told, numerous, seafaring, enterprising people, and feared by their neighbours, it would most likely be that the Baltic Venedi, now represented by the Wends or Wanderers, were an offshoot from the Adriatic Veneti, and that the Armoric Veneti were in the same case.
>" A few coincidences seem to favour a supposition that the Veneti of the Adriatic and the Venedi of the Baltic were originally, though, as it is admitted, at a very remote period, one and the same people."
Noah Gutierrez
>and there is *nothing* to prove the fallacy of this tradition fixd
Ethan Barnes
>Strabo, Geography, Book IV, Chapter 4: "It is these Veneti [the Gallic tribe of the Belgae], I think, who settled the colony that is on the Adriatic (for about all the Celti that are in Italy migrated from the transalpine land, just as did the Boii and Senones), although, on account of the likeness of name, people call them Paphlagonians. I do not speak positively, however, for with reference to such matters probability suffices."
>The former [division] is inhabited by Ligurian and Keltic nations, the former inhabiting the mountains and the latter the plains; and the latter [division] by Kelts and Heneti. These Kelts are of the same race as the Transalpine Kelts. Concerning the Heneti there are two traditions, some saying that they are a colony of those Kelts of the same name who dwell by the ocean.14 Others say that they are descended from the Veneti of Paphlagonia, who took refuge here with Antenor after the Trojan war; and they give as a proof of this the attention these people bestow on rearing horses; which, though now entirely abandoned, was formerly in great esteem among them, resulting from the ancient rage for breeding mules, which Homer thus mentions: “ From the Eneti for forest mules renowned.15” Iliad ii. 857. >It was here that Dionysius, the tyrant of Sicily, kept his stud of race-horses. And, in consequence, the Henetian horses were much esteemed in Greece, and their breed in great repute for a long period. [5]
Medieval "Franks" were Gaulish Migration Period Franks were Germanic
Brody Roberts
>t. no argument
Brayden Baker
No, stop stealing other people's history, retard.
Samuel Thompson
Do you have any proof that they didn't have anything to do with early/proto Slavs? Because toponyms, chronicles and hydronyms are against you.
Jace Cooper
They were slavicized, not original Slavs.
Jonathan Brown
Do you have any proof for that?
Liam Wright
Akshually the earliest(III-VIIth century) Frankish leaders had mainly Gaulish names, while later(VIII-Xth century) Frankish leaders had Germanic names like . The only Gaulish names that were still used among Frankish leaders being Clovis(Cladiovicos), Dagobert(Dagoberxto).
Michael Turner
900 BC is way too early for them to be proto-Slavic, sorry Sven.
Nathaniel Nelson
Corded Ware were Proto-Balto-Slavic speakers. Slavs were in Central Europe earlier than Germanics.
Kevin Butler
If your ideas are so good why dont you submit a paper for peer review and let us know of the results!
Alexander Ramirez
>make asinine claim >when people laugh at your wishful thinking autistically screech that their chuckles aren't arguments
Truly we should fear the frankish shitposter.
Daniel Brown
>2900 BCE – circa 2350 BCE >Corded Ware were Proto-Balto-Slavic speakers. Wow, I guess everyone from Germany to Sweden to Bulgaria is Slavic. Wow.
>Beginning around AD 500, the Slavic speakers rapidly expanded in all directions from a homeland in eastern Poland and western Ukraine. As it expanded throughout eastern Europe, it obliterated whatever remained of easternmost Celtic, Avar, ***Venetic***, possibly Dacian, as well as many other Balto-Slavic dialects,[21] and the Slav ethnonym spread out considerably. By the 8th century, Proto-Slavic is believed to have been spoken uniformly from Thessaloniki to Novgorod.
The proof is in the pudding. Some of the Veneti were definitely Baltic.
Angel James
Using your methodology by comparing english to latin words then clearly that proves anglos are actually romans.
Bentley Walker
>classifying Frankish names is the same than classifying borrowed words from Latin/French
Nice strawman
I avoided Frankish leaders bearing non-Frankish names like Silvanus, Bonitus, and so on
Jeremiah Russell
>WE WUZ is an logical counter-argument ok pal
Jonathan Williams
Logical counter arguments are made for logical arguments, Francois.
David Hughes
>names are somehow bastions for cultural roots of a given people and aren't subjected to the same cultural exchange the rest of language is >admits to cherrypicking his samples and still thinks this deserves anything but a low effort smug greentext ishiggy reply
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Jack Hall
Germany doesnt even exist at the time fucktard. It was Frank empire.
Josiah Anderson
>use latin names >YUUUUUUUR CHEAAAAATTTTINNG
>do not use latin names >YUUUUUUUUUUUUUR CHERRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYPIIIIIIIIICKIIIIIIING
G*rmanic logic
Nathaniel Evans
That's not what I said at all. If your reading comprehension is half as good as your perceived grasp of linguistics then maybe you're just genuinely dumb rather than trying really hard with these mental gymnastics.
Aiden Rivera
>admits to cherrypicking his samples It's exactly what you said
Charles Collins
I thought Celts and Germans were one and the same basically
Nicholas Gomez
In the first place, if the Franks were a Germanic people as you claim i should not be able to "cherrypick" Gallo-Roman and Gaulish names.
Ethan White
>Aachen Pepin the Short build the first castle here and he was born near paris.
Matthew Green
I never said anything about using latin names being cheating. Your argument, even glossing over the latin transcribing of gallic names reported from historians sometimes separated hundreds of years from these gallic individuals and the skeptical validity in your methodology in anything more concrete than a thought experiment, is completely hinged on names being cultural barometers for a given people, which is an asinine assumption. Then you proceed to omit names that don't jive with your thesis.
Franks are german. Deal with it.
Sebastian Garcia
>Caesar's Germani >Tacitu's Germani >Germanic
Early Germani were Celts, they bore Gaulish names like Ariovistus (Wise-Lord) Ariomanus (Good-Lord) and venerated Gaulish gods like Nerthus( Gaulish word for strength) or Lug. Modern Germans are relatively late newcomers.
Cooper Morgan
So... Franks = Trojans is true?
Isaiah Nelson
>inb4 i'm making shit up
The funny thing is that since Germans had no names for Nerthus they unironically invented a meme goddess know as Hertha(Earth) and said that Nerthus was actually a Mother Goddess
Carter Lopez
Please read K.-F. Werner's Naissance de la Noblesse and come back to report on it.
And Henri de Boulainvilliers' Essai sur la noblesse de France as well, while you're at it.
Corded Ware were Satem speakers just like Balts, Slavs and early Indo-Iranians. Where do you think Balto-Slavic influence in Germanic languages comes from? From Battle-Axe, which was Corded Ware, Satem speakers of something akin to Proto-Balto-Slavic.
Vistula Veneti were Early Proto-Slavs, just like Lusatian Culture.
Isaiah King
>Reading a German and a butthurt noble
No thanks
But i recommend you :
Germany Must Perish! by Theodore Newman Kaufman The German Question by Wilhelm Röpke
Charles Lee
Ferdinand writes in French, like any competent scholar in his field. But you wouldn't know that, would you?
Ian Wood
>stop stealing other people's history Thanks to advanced way to look into genetics and modern archeology it seems like it was other people(Germans) stealing history from Slavs. Not the other way around, sweety.
James Ortiz
>Lugiones in central poland are Polish. The Lugii predate any concept of "Polishness".
Corded Ware predates Proto-Balto-Slavic and other languages also derive from Corded Ware.
>Satem speakers of something akin to Proto-Balto-Slavic. Stop exaggerating to suite your narrative. Corded Ware was as akin to Proto-Balto-Slavic as it was to Proto-Indo-Iranian.
>Thanks to advanced way to look into genetics and modern archeology it seems like it was other people(Germans) stealing history from Slavs. Hardly, East Germanics were Germanic regardless of their genetic affinity to modern day Slavs. Although yes, they did exaggerate the Germanic character of ancient populations just like Slavs do today. And just because they did it back then, it doesn't mean you should do it now that we all know better thanks to developments in genetics and archaeology.
Oliver Johnson
I'm pointing out that your authors have an obvious bias against French.
And genetic studies already BTFO'd the Germanic myth, Franks were J2, R1b, and G, furthermore, the J-carriers (Merovingian French) are related to people who were autosomally (BR1 and BR2 in Pannonia) Western French. Lastly, anthropologists agrees that Franks were Celts
Aaron Butler
>Corded Ware predates Proto-Balto-Slavic and other languages also derive from Corded Ware. It was still more connected to Balto-Slavic than to Germanic, which is a hybrid language. >Stop exaggerating to suite your narrative. Corded Ware was as akin to Proto-Balto-Slavic as it was to Proto-Indo-Iranian. That's exactly what I said. >Hardly, East Germanics were Germanic regardless of their genetic affinity to modern day Slavs. Although yes, they did exaggerate the Germanic character of ancient populations just like Slavs do today. And just because they did it back then, it doesn't mean you should do it now that we all know better thanks to developments in genetics and archaeology. I don't care about your guilt nonsense. Toponyms and hydronyms don't lie.
Aiden Cook
Why don't you take the advice here ?
I'm being serious, I really think you should. You're obviously passionate about this and willing to devote a lot of time and effort to your research. I think it would be beneficial for you because it would allow you to solidify your theories into a coherent piece and would also be conducive to proper evaluation and criticism. I'm also convinced that this is the only way you will ever see how retarded you are.
Lincoln Mitchell
English and German dominated academia has obvious agenda, just like dear Elisabeth Anna Kruger a doktorant at the Freie Universitat Berlin.
and I'm pointing out that Boulainvilliers happens to *be* French, imbecile, and that Werner's work is written and published in France, where he is a member of the Institut, but that means nothing to your immigrant "new French" arse.
Isaac Clark
>It was still more connected to Balto-Slavic than to Germanic, which is a hybrid language. Then why did you say that Corded Ware WERE Proto-Balto-Slavic speakers? Was this perhaps a blatant lie to suit your wewuzzing?
>That's exactly what I said. Not really, you wrote: >Satem speakers of something akin to Proto-Balto-Slavic Which I believe was a disingenuous attempt to attach some kind of Balto-Slavic character to Corded Ware while ignoring other descendant languages like Proto-Indo-iranian.
>I don't care about your guilt nonsense. I'm not guilt-tripping you. I'm telling you that two wrongs do not make a right.
>Toponyms and hydronyms don't lie. That's true, which is why we know that East Germanics were Germanic. You are the ones ignoring evidence here.
Liam Wilson
You have outdated bias as your religion and there is no point in converting you.
Bentley Brown
So you can't refute any of my arguments?
I think bias is your religion, given that you brandish Slavic toponyms at any opportunity while ignoring East Germanic toponyms.
Jaxson Collins
implying i'm naive enough to believe that truth matters when it comes to academia
I've no need to do it anyway, because i have identified a dynamic recently, people are rightfully questioning the Germanicness of the Franks.
Boulainvilliers was a butthurt noble that advocated that only Noble were French, and therefore equal to the kings. These very same nobles pretented to be Gauls a few decades ago for the same reason i.e. being equal to the king.
You using Boulainvilliers without context is pure dishonesty.
Xavier Edwards
>to your immigrant "new French" arse. LMAO
Carter Watson
>implying i'm naive enough to believe that truth matters when it comes to academia So you're admitting that you're only pushing these ridiculous theories to help ignite a new sense of French nationalism? That seems to be what you were hinting at in another thread recently.
Asher Brooks
Late 18th-19th century. Precisely when the globalist cabal began to gain a foothold in France. Coincidence? I think not.
Also, you misrepresent Boulainvilliers, for the simple reason that you have neither heard of nor read his thesis. But no matter, Moishe.
Wyatt Robinson
> pushing these ridiculous theories I've refuted the "germanic lie" using genetics, linguistics, history, and anthropology. If you think that i am wrong then try to contradict me :)
>to help ignite a new sense of French nationalism? Not really, i dislike what implies this narrative i.e. i'm "descendant of a conquered", my people was so beta that we literally lost land since the Roman Empire, and were pretty much enslaved for something like 1000-2000 years.
I did enough research to know that it is gross anti-french propaganda.
I read the part where he describes the various institutions of the Gauls, Franks, etc, and a review of his book.
His thesis, if i'm not wrong, is that only the nobility was French while Third Estate was Gaulish, he then claimed that French tradition was egalitarian and that the king wasn't above his fellow French(nobles).
Aaron Evans
The language was Italic
Ryder Ortiz
potentially definitely indo-euro, no chance of it being some Tyrsenian branch
Parker Torres
you're the retard that keeps avoiding the question of definitions, aren't you? What does French mean to you? Hint: it's not exclusively Frankish.
Jose Bell
Sclavenians were
Jace King
>What does French mean to you? A proeminent Gaulish tribe that gaves its name to other Gaulish tribes.
Asher Hughes
I see you understand neither the semantics involved nor the development of the feudal relationship between the monarch and the nobility in the country you know as 'France'.
Barres-toi lire Werner au plus vite, merci.
Oliver Reed
>please read this one German author
I only read primary sources, thus i have no need for gurus especially German ones
>how dare criticize my german masters ! >germans are our masters and ruled over us for millenias !
Cuckhold fetish is strong in you
Are you related to ones of the numerous bastards born during the German occupation ?
Cameron Nelson
Nope. Family line traceable back at least to the 12th century, thanks. What about you, Mouss?
Daniel Allen
Sorry Schlomo - 19th century Jewish extraction, yes, I'd forgotten. The stuff of Balzac novels and Drumont bestsellers.
Xavier Richardson
>What about you, Mouss? Tracable back to(at least) the XVIth century and mostly composed of high class people, thus non-corrupted by low-class wehraboo blood.
>at least to the 12th century, Proof ?
Anthony Flores
The German monarchs in britain, denmark, russia all took on native names, in the 18th and 19th century many Habsburg monarchs were using French and Italian names but that doesn't make them any less Austrian
Ryan Morgan
>Proof ? a very uncommon surname that only 2 extant families have, to the best of my knowledge. and of course, plenty of genealogical work done by a retired uncle.
Adam Lewis
>a very uncommon surname that only 2 extant families have, to the best of my knowledge. Fair enough
Merogais and Genobod lived in the "France beyond the Rhine" thus not in Gaul.
