Who fucked up the Middle East/North African region worse?

The US by far

Natives. The UK and USA managed to get multiple ethnities and races to live together peacefully within one country, using ti to their advantage to become the greatest countries in the world, yet Middle Easterners sperg out over the fact that their neighbor follows a different version of Sunni Islam than them. If they learned to work together, they could be as rich as the US in no time. But they won't, since they still cling to a misogynist pedophilic stone-age religion.
>"B-but what about muh ebil colonialism?!?"
If you unironically believe that colonialism was bad you should read a book and/or kill yourself

>learn to work together
>when you're a weak and impoverished shithole foreign powers keep pouring weapons in for giggles

France, then blamed it on the English (not British) because they are never, EVER at fault for anything

UK with their lawrence of meme
plus they're to blame for israel/palestine

so deffinetely UK

The US.
Stay buttblasted Amerimutt.

Basically all of this.

Muhammad (pbuh).

>Contemporary interference has done much more damage than 20th century colonialism. They would've eventually worked out their issues if they were left alone - because they would be forced to.

Gonna call bullshit on this. Compare South America which remained free of 19th century European imperialism but had contemporary interference by the US against regions that had European imperialism but no US interference or had both.

More recent US interference hasnt seemed nearly as damaging to a country’s present development except in regions where 1900s European imperialism was also ambitiously present. The Middle East has not historically been such a fucked up backwards region until they were heavily imperialized by France and Britain.

Meanwhile South America and Eastern Asia where the bulk of US interference has taken place along with the Middle East are not nearly as horribly screwed up, and those are places which the US undoubtedly messed with more than the Europeans did.

America’s interference has at many times simply been a reaction to existing destabilization caused by European imperialism. The US may have exasperated it in some cases, but the 1900s imperialism has been at the root of most of their current problems.

>learn to work together
>when you're a weak and impoverished shithole foreign powers keep pouring weapons in for giggles

That's literally what America was and look at them

Not even close.

Mohammed

NATO (North Atlantic wh*Te Terrorist Organization)

Name one way the US was different

lol

>wasn't party to Sykes-Picot
>didn't create fictional nations from whole cloth
>pretty much did whatever with what existed in the region thanks to the European powers
A distant second at best.

Honestly? The Sumerians or pre-Sumerians who started the "let's live in this region" meme.

the brits are the ones who ensued the saudis rule supreme. Saudi funding is amongst the prime reason for the state of iraq, yemen and the levant.

The second main cause of middle east's chaos is the USA being completely unable to stop fucking with afghanistan and iran.

US interference seriously fucked up the carribbean, are you high? It goes all the way back to Roosevelt pulling a proxy war against Colombia so he could build the Panama channel. The Mexican war absolutely destroyed an already tired mexico that just came out from a war with fucking france.

The USA is one very real cause of the Caribbean's current poverty. Brazil, Peru and the cono sur fucked up more or less on their own.

Blackwater Protection

The Ottoman empire

France never is at fault for anything, because France has done nothing wrong

> The second main cause of middle east's chaos is the USA being completely unable to stop fucking with afghanistan and iran.

All at the behest of Israel, which is the source of all the modern day problems with the MidEast and Muslims in general.

> US interference seriously fucked up the carribbean, are you high?

Are you? The Caribbean’s problems stem from it being made up of tiny insignificant islands full of Blacks, the ONLY period when Haiti for example was successful and civilized, when the U.S. was calling all the shots and the Panama Canal has been huge benefit to all of humanity and would never have happened if it had been up to the Hispanics to do it themselves and as for Mexico, it would simply be a larger more populated shithole if the U.S. hadn’t seized California and the Southwest and done something productive with it.

Israel

Unironically Israel and it's attack dog JEWsa. Pic related.

No, never, France dindu nuffin
France iz, wuz and alwayz will be a good boi
Fukin Anglos amirite?

Wow yeah bringing infrastructure, modern medicine and technology! Really fucked em up I tell ya!

Surely its not the fucking retarded locals that live there and have done nothing of their own with the area except kill and slaughter each other over pointless tribal wars. Nope, much easier to just point fingers at Europe!

The Mexican War was because of Santa Anna terrorizing Texans and other Americans. In other words, it was 100% their fault and they deserved every inch of cock that was thrust up their ass. Get the fuck out of here with this Hugo Chavez woe as me bullshit. Again, the locals are to blame for their shitty countries, not outside influences.

You think Hong Kong, Singapore or even fucking Indonesia are crying over European imperialism?

The Caribbean and Latin America is full of fucking retards. Nothing more, nothing less. The fact that theyd rather continue to point fingers at the US/Europe instead of improve themselves says all we need to know about these low IQ losers.

The Mexican-American land acquisition was just America completely out-smarting Mexico. There wasn't any bad guys or good guys, just smart guys and dumb guys.

Americans asked permission to move in to Mexican controlled territory, and they granted them the OK. Then Mexico fell in to a revolt once Santa Anna seized dictator powers causing several regions to attempt to split off, one of which was Texas. At first the it was just the Anglos living in Texas fighting in the revolt, but Santa Anna's dumb ass thought it'd be a good idea to slaughter a bunch of innocent women and children at the Alamo, giving them a rallying cry to bring Tejanos and more unofficial supporters from the US to their side.

Anyway, Santa Anna eventually got his retarded ass captured in a one of the most embarrassing battles of all time in San Jacinto, and signed a treaty to give up even more land than the Texians were even originally asking for. The Mexican government disputed this treaty since Santa Anna was under obvious duress so US President Polk sends some navel ships to occupy the Rio Grande, and Mexico stupidly fires on them giving the US a valid Cassius Belle to go to war. They obviously destroy Mexico, and Mexico is forced to give up even MORE land, and at this point the Mexican Government finally folds their cards knowing they'd just progressively lose territory if they keep trying to fight US land claims.

That’s not even the tiniest bit clever or witty

>You think Hong Kong, Singapore or even fucking Indonesia are crying over European imperialism?

They did though you idiot.

>the ONLY period when Haiti for example was successful and civilized, when the U.S. was calling all the shots

Not really. Lots if Haitians were killed and the us military were complete thugs in running the place

It was a team effort

They really didn't. Hong Kong was cool with it until 1997, and Singapore simply got down to business and became one of the richest city-states on earth. I don't know much about Indonesia, except that they basically told the Dutch to fuck off after being liberated from the Japanese.

>What are we going to replace those feelings with? Socialism?
That actually does sound like a good idea. If we support communism in the region, it should allow them to be more united, be less militant on the religious side, and as an added bonus they'll be too impoverished to form a threat to us or Israel.

Retards like you are why the Middle East is a war torn hellhole and Europe is facing it's current migrant crises. Thinking that trying to keep them down will somehow make them tame when in reality it makes them even angrier and violent. Fuck off with your Neocon bullshit.

Angayl*-Cucksons are reponsable

French colonies were all fine, Syria was thriving, Lebanon was known as the pearl of the Middle-East, North Africa was on par with Eastern Europe.

Then came the fake revolutions financed by the Cucksons, first Algeria, then Iraq, Lybia, Tunisia, and so on

>Algeria
>Fake
Oh fuck off.

Algerian rebellion was led by a handful intellectuals educated in the best universities in France. Average Achmed in the Atlas didn't give a shit and was perfectly fine under French rules.

It's always been fucked up but the West fucked it up more, especially Britain.

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I'm glad you see the lighte

Britain has never done anything wrong ever. The answer must be France.

The fact of that matter, is that it is usually a person or nations own fault.
No one takes responsibility any more, its pathetic. They just point fingers so they dont have to face the truth about themselves.

It America can have a nation stuffed with a bunch of diffirent races and religions and not slaughter each other, it is completely pathetic that the middle east is slaughtering each other because what? the us sent them some rifles so their next logical move was to murder their neighbors? Thats pathetic.

The middle east is a shithole because they are subhuman, just like east europe, just like africa.
Take Iraq and genocide 100% of the populace and move in Europeans and in 10 years I bet it is a 2nd world prosperous nation

> > You think Hong Kong, Singapore or even fucking Indonesia are crying over European imperialism?
> They did though you idiot.

It’s true that most Indonesians weren’t happy with Dutch colonialism, though this needs to be clarified in that there was no such thing as an “Indonesian” until after WWII, the colony being made up of various ethnicities with some minority groups (such as the Chinese) being cool with colonialism, as it prevented their oppression by majority ethnic groups.

As for Hong Kong and Singapore, they were quite happy being a part of the British Empire and in fact when Hong Kong was founded, thousands of Chinese immediately poured into the colony to escape their assbackward and oppressive native government.

Yeah because the mere two hundred year old history of the USA has never included any wars against it neighbors, against Native Americans, against itself or against any other majority white countries.

In the 1800s, we were behaving with morals in line with the rest of the civilized world.
Same as 1900s.

But this is derailing.
America is guilty of the same thing. Almost all modern Americans blame all their problems on some1 else. Its the blacks faults, its the jews faults, its the bankers. No one says, eh my life kinda sucks cause ive just been kinda fucking around the past 5 years.

> > the ONLY period when Haiti for example was successful and civilized, when the U.S. was calling all the shots
> Not really. Lots if Haitians were killed and the us military were complete thugs in running the place

Yes, really. The only periods (including right up to today) when Haiti wasn’t a total shithole was when the U.S. was running the country and most of the Haitians who were killed, (and it wasn’t that many) needed killing, as they were the thugs holding the country back and as soon as the U.S. left, the country descended right back into chaos.

From a philosophical point of view, the Haitians should be free to make their own decisions but the reality is that they're wholly incompetent and can't do it on their own, being the shittiest country in the Western Hemisphere and near the bottom of the list globally.

Iraq was a reasonably prosperous 2nd world nation until you smashed it to shred in an aggressive war. You're just talking nonsense. You're the one derailing the conversation with a completely idiotic and factually wrong point that shows zero self-awareness.

Iraq was a total shithole with a dictator running it and genociding minorities.

Seriously why are you pol kids so edgy and think that dictators where cool or useful?
There is no excuse for modern middle east behavior.
Why does us disposing Saddam mean that they have to blow up busses with nothing but women and children or murdering school children?

I don't think Saddam Hussein was remotely cool or useful. Donald Rumsfeld certainly did at one point though.

Face it, US behaviour is even worse than the behaviour of Middle Easterners.

T. butthurt arab

t. completely delusional USian

>imperialism
>in singapore
how can it be imperialism when you found the city yourself?