What went wrong?

What went wrong?

I wish I was in the land of cotton old times there are not forgotten

Bring the good old bugle, boys, we'll sing another song
Sing it with a spirit that will start the world along
Sing it as we used to sing it, 50,000 strong
While we were marching through Georgia.

Hurrah! Hurrah! we bring the jubilee!
Hurrah! Hurrah! the flag that makes you free!
So we sang the chorus from Atlanta to the sea
While we were marching through Georgia.

How the darkeys shouted when they heard the joyful sound
How the turkeys gobbled which our commissary found
How the sweet potatoes even started from the ground
While we were marching through Georgia.

Hurrah! Hurrah! we bring the jubilee!
Hurrah! Hurrah! the flag that makes you free!
So we sang the chorus from Atlanta to the sea
While we were marching through Georgia.

Yes and there were Union men who wept with joyful tears,
When they saw the honored flag they had not seen for years;
Hardly could they be restrained from breaking forth in cheers,
While we were marching through Georgia.

Hurrah! Hurrah! we bring the jubilee!
Hurrah! Hurrah! the flag that makes you free!
So we sang the chorus from Atlanta to the sea
While we were marching through Georgia.

"Sherman's dashing Yankee boys will never reach the coast!"
So the saucy rebels said and 'twas a handsome boast
Had they not forgot, alas! to reckon with the Host
While we were marching through Georgia.

Hurrah! Hurrah! we bring the jubilee!
Hurrah! Hurrah! the flag that makes you free!
So we sang the chorus from Atlanta to the sea
While we were marching through Georgia.

So we made a thoroughfare for freedom and her train,
Sixty miles in latitude, three hundred to the main;
Treason fled before us, for resistance was in vain
While we were marching through Georgia.

Sherman didn't burn it all to ashes.

DO IT AGAIN
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the south was populated with southerners

literally the irish

this is great do you know what it's from?

What do you mean

They didn't know that a young Dutch-Jewish girl's survival would depend on their success 80 years later. The men of the Confederacy would have stormed Cemetery Ridge and held the line at Vicksburg ten times over if they had known about that.

Government based on the whims of landed nobles was not viable in the late 19th century, and the emphasis on racial chattel slavery made it impossible to gain support from European powers

>*sighs*
>reddit-spacing
faggot

There's no legal mechanism in the Constitution that makes secession legal. An entity once joined to the Union is bound by the Constitution. It would require an amendment to the Constitution to free a state from the other states. By secession, the rebel states were denying the Constitutional rights of all its citizens as citizen rights cannot be removed and transferred by act of secession under the Constitution even if that person lives in a state that is in rebellion.

In short, secession is illegal unless by act of ratified amendment to the Constitution of the United States.even then the citizenship problem is unsolved.

The war was illegally stated by the secessionists. That's where it went wrong. They could have slowly phased out slavery over 40 years and replaced it with industrialization in that time frame with perfect amity from the North. Instead they chimped out because tall hat guy wasn't as nice to them as they hoped.

>form a Republic by seceding upon the principal of self-determination.
>no legal mechanism existed to secede from the British Empire.
>80 years later claim that the same states that seceded with you cannot secede from your new Republic upon the same principle of self-determination, because we didn't set up a legal mechanism to do so.
hypocrisy thy name is Union

>form a Republic to secede upon the principal of self-determination
>form a Confederacy to secede upon the principal of keeping your slaves

See where there might be an ever-so-slight difference?

>Form a Republic to secede upon the principal of not paying taxes on Tea imports and also we'll have slaves
literally no difference, except you like one side more than the other, you hypocrite.

>not having to pay taxes on tea

Or maybe having an OPTION to address the taxes imposed on them by a government they couldn't get to listen to them? Not going to say Revolutionaries werent aristocrats but its not as if there wasn't reasoning.

They destroyed its army, but they didn't destroy the elites that controlled it.

Their rallying cry was 'no taxation without representation', if they had gotten representation in Parliament they might well have stayed loyal, at least for a while longer.

>Or maybe having an OPTION to address the issue of slavery imposed on them by a government they couldn't get to listen to them?
You see how I can just copy and paste your argument and make it the exact same circumstance as the C.S.A.'s attempt to secede? That's because it was functionally and philosophically the same, and acting like they're distinct is just hypocrisy.

Just about everything went wrong aside from some extremely dashing campaigns.

Found it. Attaching mandatory pregnant Anne Frank for maximum feels

>be me
>grow up near Henrico County, Virginia
>Be Sons of Confederate Veteransfag
>used to attend reenactments all over the state when I lived there
>realize the Diary of Anne Frank was published on the exact same day the Seven Days Battles (mainly took place in and around Henrico County just outside Richmond) with began in 1862
>Robert E. Lee successfully repulsed McClellan's advance on Richmond and gave chase, but was stopped at Glendale and Malvern Hill and thus were unable to prevent the Army of Potomac from retreating back across the James River
>one of several missed opportunities for Lee to destroy the Union Army in open battle and win the war
>Union victory in the American Civil War marked the beginning of increasingly aggressive U.S. expansionism that ultimately culminated in the World Wars and the rise of the Superpowers
>rise of the Soviet Union, the Nazis, and the human tragedy that followed is in part the blowback of American meddling in the First World War
>if the Army of Northern Virginia had broken through at Malvern Hill and destroyed McClellan's forces while they were still trapped on the banks of the James, Lee would've been free to move against Washington and could've forced Lincoln to sue for peace
>realize the entire tragic chain of events over the course of 83 years that led to the World Wars, the rise of the Nazis, the Holocaust, and Anne Frank's death could've been prevented at least partially or in their entirety
>Anne could've been a happy housewife and mother, enjoying a peaceful life in Amsterdam, if only Lee's plans had been properly coordinated and executed in the last days of June, 1862
>My God... We failed her.

They couldn't stop da poopoo

>Florida
>Hellhole swamp
>Bugs everywhere
>Hot as fuck
>Not that much diarrhea
How did they do it?

Having more states in a Union against slavery isn't the same as literally not having seats in parliament.Y'all had the same amount of senators and the same representation in Congress as the Yankee states. The lot of you were just so fucking butthurt that more new states would vote against slavery you chimped out

The book is called "Celtic Ways of the Old South".
Mostly Scottish and Scots-Irish.
Literally the "Celtic Pride" meme.
>*rubs ass with hand*
>*fucks cousin*
>*drinks self to death*
>*gets beaten to death over gambling debt*
>*gets pregnant at 15
>*throws all trash on floor*
>*goes on welfare*
>*becomes drain and does no work*
>muh southern way of life

>be a yankee or euro
>be butthurt southerners aren't dying at 18 in the mills like all your family

Everything else gets them first

They fucked up diplomacy. If the confederacy could have got the support of any foreign power (even if it was portugal) they would have done better. Otherwise, the Death of Stonewall and the Union finally getting their shit together caused their demise. If you want to see the south win, you really just need Grant and his compadres to become the leaders of the Union and/or give the confederates British of French Help. (An Actual reality at the time, with France have serious considerations to throw their support behind the Confederates, although they were afraid of war with britain.)

In Other words, the Trent Affair had to go differently.

>south is celtic meme
in to the trash then

France, the second strongest power in Europe, couldn't even subdue Mexico across the Atlantic. Their whole undistracted commitment there amounted to 38,000 men (6,700 died) plus 8,000 Austro-Hungarians (3,000 died) over six years. It's unlikely that any aid would change the result of the war. Especially since foreign intervention would very much inflame the desire of the North to fight.

>it wasn't our fault we wuz poor, we was underprivileged

>working? Nah fuck that

I forgot about the French Intervention. So I suppose only Great Britain can intevene.

You're making me cry.

>muh poor niggers
Errytime

The French could only deploy a small force there because of power projection with their naval transports
Against the US, their naval fleet (the 2nd most powerful in the world) can be deployed to break the US blockade.
Once that is done, foreign arms flow into the CSA, CSA cotton flows out, and the French could provide a couple token forces to help the CSA.
The French might be able to blockade the US coast, although that is questionable, since that would lead to a lot of problems with neutral nations.
Either way, the French intervention into the war is a big difference, even if the French don't deploy a single soldier into America proper.

Sounds more like blacks in the north desu. And you lot fought to free the poor beasts.

I didn't click on this thread expecting this level of feel

That would start a war against the US and once the South is quelled, Britain would help the US to fuck up the French.

Came here to post this

OH I'M A GOOD OLD YANNKEE
WELL THAT'S JUST WHO I AM
FOR FUCKING ALL MY COUSINS
I DO NOT GIVE A DAMN
800,000 REBKEKS
LAY ROTTING IN THE DUST
I GUESS THAT WHOLE "SECESSION" MEME
TURNED OUT TO BE A BUST

>>Union victory in the American Civil War marked the beginning of increasingly aggressive U.S. expansionism that ultimately culminated in the World Wars and the rise of the Superpowers
Good lord, someone believes this somewhere

This.

Sounds more like the blacks in the South. Who were there in monumentally larger numbers then the north. The ones the Southern aristocracy had no troubles mixing with and creating Amerimutts. Remember, the Union just wanted to emancipate the slaves as slavery is an un-Christian, moral injustice. The South really wanted to keep them around and then hate them decades later.

this

there's absolutely no way the planters would do that willingly, and the confederates already had a terrible tax base that was completely reliant on selling cash crops in the first place.

asking the planters to bankrupt themselves while simultaneously fighting a war that was largely about "muh profits" isn't a winning strategy.

The British Parliament literally agreed to give the Thirteen Colonies representation, but Ben Franklin (primarily) and the other Founding Fathers refused because they needed a casus belli for secession and shit-stirring. It was a useful tool, not anything legitimate.

/pol/ told me that nobody outside of the South actually opposed slavery, and that (((abolition))) and later (((civil rights))) were forced on us by (((someone)))

Great Britain nearly went to war with the Union and moved troops to Canada in case war happened.

Almost everything, but invading Kentucky (and thus making them side with the union) is a good starting point.

>Celtic Ways of the Old South
Flawed book with gaping holes in its arguments.

Also it was called "Cracker Culture"

The articles of confederation

> The British Parliament literally agreed to give the Thirteen Colonies representation, but Ben Franklin (primarily) and the other Founding Fathers refused because they needed a casus belli for secession and shit-stirring. It was a useful tool, not anything legitimate.

Lmao what.

>Sing it as we used to sing it, 50,000 strong
Considering there are none left, this part always makes me sad.
Also, best song song is Charleston has fallen.

do you have a source for that? I've found nothing but condescending views on the part of the British parliament on the requests that America have representation in parliament.

and virtual representation doesn't count, other colonies didn't get representation and that was the sole thing the Americans requested

LOL
Here you go, I assume you got lost

/thread

kek

Technically speaking, it did vastly increase the power of the federal government, weakening the states which paved the way for a unified foreign policy among other things. It's not wrong to say that without that power, states would likely behave in their own interests when dealing with European powers instead of backing the central government.

With less control over the states, the US would've had to expend much more effort to keep everyone in line, which would've meant staying neutral against anyone that wasn't a direct threat to the US as a whole.

Considering the confederates already had a hard time just keeping men from deserting to go tend to their farms and homes, there's pretty much no way they could've enforced or incentivized a mass switch to grain. That sort of infrastructure needed to be in place before the war began to give the south more of a chance, to be specific, subsidized food production by the state governments and at least a small professional army in place of conscripted militias.

Of course, if you wanted to get into it that much, the south should've thought about industrializing, but then again, hindsight is 20/20. Putting a bunch of slaves to work in factories would've made owners monumentally rich and vastly increased the ability of the south to actually make shit they needed.

States rights killed the confederacy, ironic af

that was the most delicious irony of all: it was exactly the act of adhering to their principles that gimped their war effort

They were too reliant on an economy run by slaves along with a shit ton of other factors.