Who was at fault here?

Crimea's been annexed by Russia, Kosovo hasn't been annexed by Albania.

Crimea is Russian tho

And if it were, would it stop being recognized?

Yes, and guess who still exists and who disintegrated

>A Croat runs Yugoslavia for forty years
>Serbs are loyal af
>Croat dies
>Ten year interregnum
>Serb tries to """dominate""" by having half the votes in the Presidency (unlike the Croat who simply ruled absolutely) which still meant he needed cooperation from at least one non-Serb ethnicity
>Croats IMMEDIATELY chimp out and declare independence within a few years
There can be no reading of the pre-war period where Croats don't come across as utterly loathing Serbs for no reason.

Tito was a backstabbing cunt who somehow managed to swindle both Stalin and the Brits and used his power and influence to gulag and detractors to a fucking desert island, and he had a Serb wife and put the capital in Belgrade
Croats are also famous for constantly pining for freedom, after getting buttfucked by those perfidious Hungarian shits and the krauts and the commies

Croats and Hungarians autistically hate us, mostly for religious reasons or some minor piece of territory that is "rightful Hungarian/Croat land" followed by screeching about Getting in the river/we'll gas you.

>kosovo hasn't disintegrated

Problem of Yugoslavia was that it relied on Serbs getting rammed in the ass in political sense, which culminated in 1974 Constitution which literally separated Serb-majority province from Serbia (technically, Kosovo and Vojvodina were "autonomous provinces", but de facto they were almost the same as other republics).
Combine this with the fact 40% of Serbs lived outside of Serbia, that Montenegrins who are ethnic Serbs were artificially separated and given a new identity, and with the government's inability to deal with Kosovo.
Also combine it with the fact Croatian and Slovenian nationalism was rising, and former made Serbs especially angry because Croatian fascists slaughtered some 200-300,000 Serbs in WW2, and in return Croats didn't suffer shit. In fact above mentioned Constitution was pretty much made to appease Croats and Slovenians.
Croats and Slovenians on the other hand were never really into Yugoslavia, many just saw it as a transition to their independence.
So yeah, Serbs didn't just chimp out without any reason. That's a retarded and biased view formed mostly due to Serb behaviour in 90's, when due to their actions it was very easy to sell them as ultimate villains.

Just to explain, I don't think Milosevic was a good guy, far from it.
He was a commie crook who exploited this dissatisfaction and used it for his own beneft. He was an apparatchik who was aiming for power, nothing more, nothing else.
But many other more moderate and honest Serbs were dissatisfied, and for a good reason too.

Neither Serbia nor Croatia is at fault. The borders of the Yugoslavian republics weren't designed to pragmatically accommodate independent states.

Instead of bombing Serbia in 1999, USA should have sat down with relevant parties and simply redrawn state borders.

puppets of US?

>US embargo'd Croatia
>US threatened to bomb Croatia if they don't halt progressing into western Bosnia

they also created UN buffer zones preventing Croatia to free their territory. It was only possible when serbs started genociding bosniaks so pressure on croatian reconquista was lowered

US was more pro-serbia then croatia

The US wasn't pro-serbia at all.

they certaintly helped serbia more then they did croatia, though. Or to rephrase myself, they certaintly damaged croatia more then serbia

That's a lie though. How many times was Serbia bombed by the US compared Croatia? You're putting croatia on a pedestal, just because the US told them they weren't allowed to do something, doesn't mean they damaged them. Serbia, ultimately, suffered the most through the conflict.

>Serbia, ultimately, suffered the most through the conflict.
You sure about that?

You need to look at it in a bigger picture:
>which country lost the most (land, $, people, power...)
>which country is the most afluent
>which country has the best international relations
>which country is recovering the fastest
>which country is being invested in
>which country is exporting the most
Before the yugo wars and Tito, most of the banana republics in the balkans didn't identify themselves as separate entities. So if you disregard the meme-tier countries, you essentially have a main conflict between Serbia, Croatia, the respective bosniak representatives and much later, kosovo. Which one of these countries was bombed by NATO, lost a fuckload of historic clay has economically plummeted since when it was yugoslav.

Serbs and Bosniaks suffered the most.
Slovenia got the most out of it.
Albanians and Croats had a rough time, but gained a lot.
Macedonia... did nothing wrong, and the Albanians still tried to fuck them in the ass.

Entire Yugoslavia was a “puppet” and created by the west, in the end they had to put it down when Serb nationalists got delusions of grandeur and started to play masterrace

You were doing so well until that last part where you acted like a totally objective historian.

>vojvodina is serbian

Debatable.

Are you retarded? They got bombed for Kosovo war, not the Croatian one

This thread is basically ex-yugos throwing shit at each other...
Advice to everyone who dosen't know shit about Yugo war should go to a neutral source and learn aobut it...

>Croats and Slovenians on the other hand were never really into Yugoslavia, many just saw it as a transition to their independence.
That's not true at all, they were the main supporters of Yugoslavia in the 19th Century through World War I. Really it was the utter shitshow that was the Kingdom of Yugoslavia that fucked over all future relations and attempts at union.

Compared to most yugo threads, this one has been surprisingly all right.

Fuck croat scum. When Russia will finish up Ukraine, we'll go straight to Croatia and do to them, what they did to Serbs.

I don't think that a boomerang shaped country can be taken seriously. So I'll support Serbia

Sl*venes should be fully exterminated and removed from Earth's surface. So I'm Ok with whoever side is going with that

t. Slobodan

And?

It's a bird IT'S A FUCKING BIRD

Austrian stable falcon

It's a dragon.

I'm at a hospital with a Serb nurse and he knows I'm part Croat and calls me "my brother"

Be nice to him fag

I am bro.

Why does everyone hate Bosnia? Give me a better reason than "Muslim traitors"

They're the Belgium of the Balkans, and everybody hates Belgium too

>give me a better reason other than muslim traitors
>implying you need one
>implying it's not also a weak fabrication of a state that gained absolutely nothing from independance and plunged all the countries around it into economic instability post-conflict.
Fuck off

>Ugly ass flag
>Muslims

I like the Bosnian flag. It's a unique design. Definitely better than another damn tricolor.

Should have went with the white one with the lily

Bosnia is the Mexico of the Balkans, and I mean that in a nice way,
Also good food

Are they even a fucking nation? Seem more like a ground zero for ethnic conflicts, or at the very least a Balkan equivalent of enclave-riddled Bangladesh.

American and German secret services. Western propaganda blamed it mostly on the Serbs though. Too bad the Brits were irrelevant at that point as they tried to back the Serbs as they always did. Fucking with germany is their national pastime after all.

All the ex-Yugoslav 'nations' are mostly memes, in medieval times the vast majority of the people living there just considered themselves 'Slavs' with no further differentiation (in some areas they also differentiated themselves by bloodlines/tribes/brotherhoods though).
Serbs and Croats existed but with a much more restricted scope than today. All the other 'nations' appeared in the 19th-20th century, and at the same time a bunch of former 'we're just Slavs' people started calling themselves Serbs and Croats. Historically speaking Balkan nations are mostly bullshit.

This.
As a Yugo, this is rather surprising since we even had a comment nationalist war on Pornhub once.

Who's at fault here? Both. Serbs for wanting to dominate, Croats and Muslims for not caring about Serb concerns and acting shitty towards them. All of us for loving "muh masterrace" over Yugoslavia and being dumb enough to not realize that the West wants us disunited in order to rule these lands more easily.

Shitty flag, shitty people. Nice nature and nice food, bit people are fucking dumb as shit.

Stupid people let themselves believe their opportunist leaders' propaganda and killed their brothers out of fear. They are all at fault for being such gullible morons.

What was so bad about the Kingdom of Yugoslavia? I thought is was generally viewed as a comfy period in Balkan history.

It was, other user is just trying to make yugoslavia concept look like a mechanical problem. Sometimes it's hard to admit that other than resolvable economic issues, yugoslavia didn't work because the Slovenes and Croats couldn't stand being subjugated by the Serbian royalty and authority after WWI. Even if they were labelled as the badies in both world wars and handed over to Serbia, they were always adamant on being treated better.

The entire region got fucked by WWI hard, so they had a tough time getting back on their feet and the new country's economy was struggling since day one. Nothing makes a national spirit evaporate faster than an empty stomach.

Serbs fucked over the Croats by making it so that a constitution can be passed with a simple majority. So, in 1921, the country got its constitution, even though the main Croat party boycotted the vote. This set the tone for the future politics of the country, during which Croats would perpetually feel cheated on by the Serbs.

There was even a period lasting a couple of years during which the king (a Serb) shut down the parliament, banned political parties, etc.

People keep mixing up US' stance post and pre Srebrenica. Serbs fucked themselves with that. Before that the US was not pro anything.

>There was even a period lasting a couple of years during which the king (a Serb) shut down the parliament, banned political parties, etc.
To be fair to him, he only did it when MPs started literally killing each other in the Parliament. He tried to be more or less hands off up until then.

Serbia

It's always Serbia's fault.

...

The jews did this too us.

You could say the same about literally any nation

>Bulgaria was never a nation
>Serbia didn`t exist back in the day
>So didn`t Bosnia
>Croatio wasn`t a kingdom under the throne of the Habsurgers
>League of Lezh was Skenderbeus feverdream
>Romania didn`t exist in any form whatsoever

Medieval states are not the same as modern nations

>le founding of modern nation meme
This isn't an argument. Just an excuse retarded amerifats use as damage control.

For the most part. But the king being a Serb was much less of an issue than it's made out to be today.
He was very determined in creating a Yugoslav identity. Named his 3 sons with traditional names from Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia respectively. He was disliked by the hardcore traditionalist elements of Serbian society. You know, conspiracy theories about how he's a freemason who's goal it is to destroy Serbia and turn us all into Croats.
Also, if he were born today he'd probably be considered a Montenegrin.

>For the most part. But the king being a Serb was much less of an issue than it's made out to be today.
No, it was an issue
>conspiracy theories about how he's a freemason who's goal it is to destroy Serbia and turn us all into Croats.
Other way around
>Also, if he were born today he'd probably be considered a Montenegrin.
t. non-yugo
Stop posting

I disagree. It's a wig of glorious Bosnia.

Unrelated question, who the fuck are the bosnian muslims?

Are they like turks? Or albanians? Or just muslim serboatians? Or something else entierly?

Also can someone explain the difference between serbs amd croats besides religion and alphabet?

>puppet state of the US
There is objectively nothing wrong with this. US are anti-imperialist purveyors of freedom, good allies, so Croatia would always be equal in any relationship. Croatia is the wealthiest ex-Yugoslav state proving that the US is not exploiting them in any way.

If Croatia is being exploited then the more "rebellious" states must be being exploited even harder by their own local warlords. People shit themselves with rage when the IMF says "we're not going to give you cheap loans if you don't spend it wisely, it is our money anyway so you were never entitled to it", however when tyrants conduct genocide, torture their own people for political disagreements and possess literal rape dungeons we hear "hurr gaddafi was actually a hero am I edgy yet".

>bosnians
Serboatian muslims LARPing as indigenous ethnicity
>difference between Serbs and Croats other than religion and alphabet
None really. Croats are a little more raped/assimilated by Austrians, Serbs are a little more raped/assimilated by Turks. In general though they are the more or less similar, the same language, write the same (serbs also learn cyrillic and latin), listen to the same music and have the same slavic culture with influence from their respective imperial subjugations.

>mostly for religious reasons or some minor piece of territory that is "rightful Hungarian/Croat land
Hungarian here.
1. We don't have problem with Orthodoxs
2. When Vojvodina was annexed hungarians were the bigest ethnicity there, of course we hate serbs who claim it was always "1100% full serb" when the Hungarians and Croats slowly disappear, the Germans were genocided etc.

However, I do think the backstabbing of Yugoslavia was the bigest mistake the Huns made in ww2, as we made a clear deal not to do it, even it the new border was pretty fair.

>USA should have sat down with relevant parties and simply redrawn state borders

They literally did that in 1993-95, it was first repelled by the Serbs as they didn't want to five up the gained territories (even where muslims were majority), second time it created today's Bosnia.

Stupid people always confuse these wars. The Kosovo war was 3 year's after the Bosnian ended. The serbs were bombed as Clinton's first dealing with the Balkans was a catastrophe with ethnic cleansing, death camps and mass immigration, USA just hit the panic button and delivered a big dose of freedom.

The USA doesn't care about fucking Kosovo, they just don't want Serbs to shame them, same reason they deal ISIS when they could had fucked off and let the Middle East burn, its just good business and status quo.

>USA doesn't care about Kosovo
>he doesn't know about Camp Bondsteel

Well they put a military camp into a vassal state like the US always does with its vassals, no surprise here.

What I mean is that every serb likes to cry that "m-muh US made Serbia into a tiny little state", but id they weren't dickheads it wouldn't had happened. Serbia had every right to fight in Kosovo, but after shaming the mediator US in Bosnia they didn't take a second chance.

FUCKING QUADS

Four astronauts land on the moon. An American, a German and two Serbs.

The American jumps out and plants a flag on the surface exclaiming that US derring-do and money made their mission possible so the moon will belong to America.

The German pulled out the flag and stuck in a flag from his country proclaiming that it was German scientific knowledge and technological precision that made the landing possible, so the moon was Germany’s.

One of the Serbs reached into his pocket and pulled out a gun and shot the other Serb. Then he proclaimed: “Serbian blood has been spilled here, the moon is Serbian forever!”

>Bulgaria
>Romania
>ex-Yugoslav

>literally say Croatia and Serbia existed
>durr so you is saying Croatia and Serbia didn't exist
Neck yourself, faggot

>j-just amother military camp
>definitely the largest, most expensive american NATO base in Europe
>mediator US
HNNNNGG nigga please

Yeah, but balkanfags seem particularly unable to understand it and get triggered when they're told the land and all its people weren't 7000% theirs since the dawn on man.

Yes mediator US, and I mainly refer to Clinton. One of his biggest shame, he let ethnic cleansing happen on European soil in the dawn of the 21st century. Of course he bombed the shit out of the serbs when he got another chance with Kosovo.

I'm not saying that the Us is innocent, what I'm saying when they say that the whole "fall of Yugo" was an American conspiracy to weaken the strong Balkans, they are fucking wrong, its the serbs who went full retard.

>this is your brain in America

>Or just muslim serboatians?
For the most part this.

If the Kosovars agreed to it like the Crimeans pretty much did, then maybe. Besides the Crimean Annexation is hardly a universally agreed upon issue

> agreed to it like the Crimeans pretty much did

>implying Russia didn't rig the shit out of that referendum

if Bosnia could secede from Yugoslavija, then it logically follows that Serbs living in Bosnia have a right to secede. This is an objective fact, unless you see Bosnia as special and the Bosnian Serbs as not special.

Unlike some western barbarians, the yugoslav '74 constitution included the possibility of a legal secession by the republics.

This is agreed, but that doesn't give the right to go full retard and start genocide muslim bosnians.

Muslim Serbo-Croatians

If either the Croat or the Bosnian side had the army on their side, they would have done the same.

Another's potential wrongdoing does not excuse one's actual wrongdoing