What are some things the Founding Fathers might have read or studied to come to the conclusions and form the government...

What are some things the Founding Fathers might have read or studied to come to the conclusions and form the government they did?

They were forced to do shitty cultural history assignments and leafletted coffee houses demanding other people produce their thesis statements and evidence in the salon of letters.

The real question is what they DIDN'T study or read.

I personally would've dragged them all by musketpoint, threatening to burn down the Southern one's plantations and the impress the Northerners into the Royal Navy if they didn't listen, to read Thomas Hobbe's Leviathan!

The US constitution is the greatest disgrace and shame in the whole history of the Anglo race, a document unworthy of even being toilet paper.

I think you'd enjoy this, user.

>greatest disgrace and shame
Read about Cromwell ffs.

>America still going strong and now rules the world

>every two bit tyrant and dictator gets BTFO by the US

eat shit Hobbes, I won

He was welsh, which is why he massacred the Irish

>Dude we should let a dude govern us entirely and give up all of our powers lmao
I disagree with Locke's meme theories of "Abundance of resources" but his idea of a social contract is much better.

>America is not questioned and ruled supreme
>these dictators only fall when absolute power (ie American suppourt) is taken away from them

>America still going strong and now rules the world
What's it like still being bluepilled?

>Implying American democratic institutions aren't slowly sowing the country's Balkanizing end by pursuing policies that exacerbate inborn cultural and ideological cleavages for personal gain

FUCK THAT as well.

America had the greatest potential to be a /m/-Veeky Forums powerhouse before the concepts even existed in our time, but a but of Southern reactionary scum and liberal cowards in bed with them had to abandon that possibility as well.

Imagine a strongly centralized America under the Paine Dynasty, a glorious free worker's paradise, working towards a glorious future of space travel in the 1890s. Instead, because of the most fucked-up mix of reactionary decentralisation and liberal softness, we have this national travesty, this spiritualistic, militaristic yet unfathomably individualistic abomination called "Amerikkka", all thanks to sectionalist reactionaries and liberals alike. Truly the worst timeline.

They were really into the Roman Republic. They also would have studies the Magna Carta and expanded upon the assize of clarendon. And of course, the English Bill of Rights and Delcaration of Right.

>Truly the worst timeline
I mean, could be worse.
>madampresident.jpg

Just curious, what would you call yourself, politically speaking? You seem to have extremely interesting views and would like to know more. Any book lists?

>US constitution is a disgrace
>Brought great peace and prosperity to humanity

America ended all wars post 1945. Hadn't it been for American dominance in the world - we could have easily fell into a communist regime in all our nations.

>fell into a communist regime
>implying we aren't in a light communist regime already
All Wiemerica posting aside, if we hadn't been pumping the USSR full of supplies and bomber squadrons Germany would've taken care of them like Hitler wanted.

>I dont like america so it doesnt dominate the globe!

t. europoor socialist

>Implying Germany wasn't leftist either
Replacing one oppressive govenrment with another would be a far from ideal situation. And I think it was a much easier job to find communism in the end than it would have been fighting nazism.

Nazism was an objectively more approachable philosophy. Fascism would have manifest in America and we would have ended up giving up BOTH our first AND second amendments

No, I was implying that Israel/Jews/Jewish lobby controls the world because they tend to control American policy for the last few decades.

>AND second amendments
You know nothing of the philosophies, huh?

And secondly, just because Germany took over eastern Europe doesn't mean it'd effect American politics THAT much.

It would have emboldened them to new horizons, which is spreading nazism around the world and building allies.

Nazism/Fascism and Communism was the same cancer. American values are just like them except it's good. We are trying to spread it as well. I don't blame fascism/communism for wanting to spread their ideologies.

I'm just saying combatting nazism would have been way harder than combatting communism.

And now we've won so we are spreading american ideas around the globe. I'm glad for that, rather than nazism. and I do prefer communism because it is way more different from americanism than fascism is. America is kinda fascism already, left wing fascism would have manifest itself EASY in the usa

>would have
nigga... You have to be joshin me.

also,
>OY VEY FASCISM AND COMMUNISM ARE THE SAME! HORSESHOE THEORY! OOOOOOOOYYYYYYY VEEEEEEEEEYYYYY

>burgers actually believe this

not horseshoe lel it's two branches of the same tree growing out of marx's semen

>Nazi/Fascist
>Marxist
Pick one

plutarchs lives. jefferson wanted every library to carry a copy

Mussolini was a socialist politician and had a solid understanding of Marxism before turning to Fascism. There's definitely an influence.

Influence maybe, but the ideas behind and the intended effects are very different. Socialism is about equality. Fascism is about service to one's nation.

>being this retarded

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No shit, but what did Paine read to come up with that?

Absurd question. What did the authors that Paine read have reading before? Paine was a major author of the Revolution, no matter his readings.

Nigga, that's what this whole thread is about. Paine is a Founding Father of sorts imo and I want to know what the FF read to lead them to where they went.

the reddit of his day

But Paine did inspire the FF. This was written some years before the Revolution.

Please take a proud patriot instead of some kind of monarchist

They all started with the Greeks and I'm not even memeing.

Was waiting for this post. Thanks.

>read or studied
Welcome to America: Fucked and Cucked since 1776

Hamilton was a fucking faggot. He wanted a new King too.

Also
>synagogue of satan
You got a mega link or something there, goy?

Voltaire, Rousseau, Locke

>Voltaire

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>ended all wars
>all the world besides US and URSS were at war and getting coup'd
>not much time ago just put another developed country back to 1500 with slavery

Your ignorance makes me angry, and the last phrase is about Lybia.

Locke is a well-known influence. Obviously they were steeped in various strains of Protestant Christianity and the attendent worldviews, in terms of daily life. This is probably in a certain philosophcal tension with enlightenment views if you scratch it a bit, but in a sense, they couldn't be fucked and it didn't matter - they (the founders, specifically) were intent on having the best of all possible worlds from their point of view, keeping Christian sensibilities as they understood them, while at the same time winning and framing a robust State.

Montisquieu is explicitly cited in the Federalist Papers, as are accounts of Ancient Greek history specifically (as opposed to philosophy-as-such), the purpose of such paraphrases or citations being to give historical examples for what does and does not seem to work with democracies, republics, representative government in general, etc. Euclid's five postulates of geometry are even explicitly rattled off at one point to give an illustration for what logical reasoning and reasonable foundational statements are supposed to look like, even if social policy is by its nature a much squishier animal. The Federalist authors, particularly Madison, are also clearly conversant with the already-existing state constitutions