Reasons to be a omnivore

Look m8, I've been vegan for 4 years because of muh animals and I quit because most vegans are mentally defected human beings. They're delusional. Being vegan will fuck you up, either through imbalanced diet, social awkwardness because you're enraged around meat eaters (and don't give me this bullshit that you're a chill vegan, try going to a bbq and acting normal)

Also
It's herbivore not omnivore you retarded cunt

Because meat taste good and morality doesnt exist senpai desu

Listen asshole: Nobody has to answer to YOU for anything at all. YOU are just some faggot shitposting on Veeky Forums. YOU are a waste of skin. YOU are a waste of perfectly good oxygen. YOU are most likely a skinnyfat, weak manlet. YOU are never going to make it because of your severe case of autism. YOU aren't worth a plug nickel. YOU should fuck the fuck off, you fuckin' fuck, you.

In fact, YOU suck so much cock, that they made a wiki page about YOU: encyclopediadramatica.se/You

there is no non hypocritical justification.

The only time it is justified to take a life is to save your own or other's

The only time it is justfied to eat any corpse animal or human, is survival.

none of that is true. Apart from carnivores not feeling bad about eating prey... so you are basing your morals and ethics of wild animals
>hurr durr i think for myself
none of what you wrote justifies killing animals.

>morality does not exist
therefore rape is justified

The reasons humans became as intelligent as they are is from eating meat
Death is a part of the natural life cycle, if the animals aren't kept in shit conditions until they're killed than its not a big deal

I'm still pescetarian though

>meat taste good and morality doesnt exist
so now it is justified to kill and eat humans now?

OP is currently vegetarian and wants reasons to go back to eating meat... Also known as being an omnivore you dumb cunt

nope, they became intelligent from eating cooked foods, yes meat had its place in certain environments but how is that relevant now?

>appeal to nature fallacy

>death is a part of the natural life cycle
Nonsensical, how does that justify killing in any way?

Because humans are generally omnivores they're going to eat meat. A shot to the head is better than being mauled by a lion. Most livestock wouldn't even exist if humans didn't eat them

>Without humans, many of these animals would be extinct
It would be better desu. Living in a small cage, being tortured, infected and stressed is worse than death.

>Your body was designed to ingest meat to coincide with the boime it evolved in
Back in history we ate what we could. It was necessary to survive. These days you can pick your food, you have lots of options to do more ethical and ecological choices.

Bullshit. Just something you've heard from someone against vegans that you thought is true. Even if you are an omnivore, you still can lack vitamins, get heart/blood problems, diabetes and other problems because of your nutrition.

Its not even about killing an animal, its the best part about their life in meatfactories desu

So you don't have an issue if the animals are raised ethically and then shot in the head?
Because you can buy meat like that. It's just a bit more expensive

I think its a looot better choice. People just dont want to buy it because its more expensive. Nobody wants to be in the front line.

Still, the animals consume 40% of earths plant fields, and all the environmental issues are still there, even if we remove the ethical problem.

>humans are generally omnivores
is that meant to refute the fact you can thrive without animal products?
How does that justify killing

>why it's ok to be omnivore?
we are omnivore whether it's ok or not.
ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/3/682.full
>Whenever and wherever it was ecologically possible, hunter-gatherers would have consumed high amounts (45–65% of total energy) of animal food. Most (73%) hunter-gatherer societies worldwide derived >50% (≥56–65%) of their subsistence from animal foods, whereas only 13.5% of these societies derived more than half (≥56–65%) of their subsistence from gathered plant foods.
An animal is classified as omnivore, carnivore etc. based on behaviour - human behaviour is omnivorous and wherever possible humans prefer to consume high amounts of animal food.

Humans are omnivores, that isn't something which is up to you to make a decision about. Whether you live a sort of synthetic omnivorism using supplements is up to you. I think the main question there is whether it's safe to rely on supplements that much (and you need a lot more than b12 in my opinion).

Most humans would rather eat naturally than use supplements because animal suffering isn't an issue.

>killing
why does it matter? they're prey animals. I understand they make noises etc which elicit sympathy but if you reflect on it rationally isn't it more likely your reaction of sympathy is evolved so that you look after your children and members of your tribe? By which I mean the ability of other animals to affect you is an example of shared evolutionary heritage, the same reason we have eyes which work the same way. It seems like you're making a superstitious leap by saying humans have an in-built reaction to care about all animals - in evolutionary terms that makes no sense.

You get more energy from meat than greens, so unless you're a cuck who does nothing all day or a wealthy enough dude to buy a shit-ton of greens and complements meat is the go-to for a healthy life

Because I don't think I'm somehow better than an animal. Needing to feel as if we have transcended our baser natures is a sign of insecurity. I'm going to fuck and eat, and all the effort I expend on being better than a beast will be put into something that benefits us all, not just my own ego.

On one hand you set yourself up to exclude yourself from the rest of society. If you point at everyone and say they are wrong, even if you are right, you will be seen as being wrong. Don't set yourself up for failure.

On the other hand I don't see livestock as animals really. They are not beings like those in the wild. We bred them to be that way and as it is, they would not survive a single day in the wilderness. Sparing their lives would change absolutely nothing.

Also, you have to think about all the jobs related to livestock and their resources. Animal products are more widely used than you think and once livestock was gone, we would be on a shortage for many cheap byproducs of meat production.

What I'm essentially saying. Veganism is not a bad idea, and if it makes you feel better about yourself, live by it BUT don't expect anyone to follow you, because at the moment it is probably not possible for most people.

it's cheap

it's convenient

it's what we've been eating for millions of years

I suggest you read The China Study. All the deficiencies and their solutions are explained.

Animals do a lot of things that we don't do. They rape, they murder, they lick their assholes, they throw up to feed their children. We are above other animals. This is only an argument if you believe humans should be allowed to do all these things, but if you don't, you're logically inconsistent.

So if you save something/someone you have the moral right to do whatever you want with that thing? We cause more harm to the environment by breeding said animals than they would ever do if they weren't in captivity.

This is only true for vegans, and not vegetarians. To eat an animal, it has to die, period. It's a direct action (even if not by you) that's required for said consumption of meat. But to milk an animal, or to grab it's eggs or whatever, does not HAVE to kill or hurt the animal. This is just a byproduct of the industry. This is a second-hand action. To be a logical consistent person you have to ask yourself where you draw the line, and first-hand actions seem to be the only viable option. If you were to avoid all second-hand actions in live you'd have to isolate yourself in a cave somewhere, which is not realistic. This is why veganism is fucking retarded, but vegetarianism just makes a lot sense.

This is true for some extent. If you live in a third world country and is extremely poor, and your only source of food is meat for some reason, it would be justifiable morally. But most of us are in a very privileged position where we can chose what we eat.

>they would not survive a single day in the wilderness.
Unless you have some evidence it looks like that isn't true - or only true sometimes
>Cattle have been domesticated since the neolithic era, but can do well enough on open range for months or even years with little or no supervision. Their ancestors, the aurochs, were quite fierce, on par with the modern Cape buffalo. Modern cattle, especially those raised on open range, are generally more docile, but when threatened can display aggression. Cattle, particularly those raised for beef, are often allowed to roam quite freely and have established long term independence in Australia, New Zealand and several Pacific Islands along with small populations of semi-feral animals roaming the southwestern United States and northern Mexico. Such cattle are variously called mavericks, scrubbers or cleanskins. Most free roaming cattle, however untamed, are generally too valuable not to be eventually rounded up and recovered in closely settled regions.
But apparently it only works for sheep if there are no predators:
>The goat is one of the oldest domesticated creatures, yet readily goes feral and does quite well on its own. Sheep are close contemporaries and cohorts of goats in the history of domestication, but the domestic sheep is quite vulnerable to predation and injury, and thus rarely if ever is seen in a feral state. However, in places where there are few predators, they get on well, for example in the case of the Soay sheep.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_animal#Species_of_feral_animals

Because IDGAF, that's why.

I'd rather live a shorty life than not live at all faggot

Does that mean pets, many of which are bred by humans and don't exist in the wild, are not animals and should not be treated as such?

Not the guy you were replying to, but
Yes. Problem is, other people will avenge the one you've killed.
You can go to a foreign contry though and kill people there, like, you know, people do right now...

Oh please tell me how a slow as shit cow or a pig would be able to survive. The only thing that would happen is, that predators would suddenly multiply because of the readily available and easy to kill prey. Also:
>dat female to male ratio among cattle
Even if they survived, they would not be able to procreate anywhere as effectively, that they will not die out in a short time frame.

>Living in a small cage, being tortured, infected and stressed is worse than death.

Yeah, i bet you would enjoy it

Morals are above money, conveniency and what we did as more primitive beings.

You make some good arguments, but also some bad ones. One should never try to impose his way of living on another human. One should only strive to educate and let people make their own decisions.

The livestock may not survive in the wild, but that's just because of their environment and how they grew up, nothing else. There's no difference between them and a wild animal, really, except for the genetic mutations to create abnormally big animals, but that's not your point.

Guess what, sparing your life or killing you changes absolutely nothing. This is not an argument.

Your ability to be self-aware and question your own existence disagrees.

Read The China Study. It doesn't matter what we are, because in terms of health it has been proven that time and time again it's more healthy to live off a plant based diet.

Animal suffering isn't an issue because you are not directly infront of if. Most people wouldn't eat their pets, but they'll gladly eat a pig that's even more like a human in terms of cognitive abilities, just because they aren't themselves faced with the reality of killing or hurting them.

Most pets were bred as companions for us. Killing a dog or a cat is nowhere as bad as killing a human but it's worse than killing livestock. It's all in the history. We didn't keep pigs around because they're fun to play fetch with, but because they're easy to raise and tasty. Dogs have terrible return on effort to raise them and make them fat for eating.

Dogs also were kept as companions for hunting and even today they are used for a multitude of purposes, which makes them our partners. They actually do something for us instead of just eating food until their ripe for eating themselves.

>things we don't do
>rape
>murder
>licking assholes

> Morals are above money, conveniency and what we did as more primitive beings.

buy RSPCA approved chicken then (if you live in australia)

I have vegan for health reasons but on occasion I eat meat. These are usually birthdays or party's or vacations. Why don't you try that op?

Okay, my bad. A lot of things that we see as immoral or below us as humans.*

>Whenever and wherever it was ecologically possible, hunter-gatherers would have consumed high amounts (45–65% of total energy) of animal food
That's not really how it works these days does it user? If we all went back to hunting our own meat, we wouldn't have all these problems of the meat industry (pollution, destruction of rain forests etc.)

As a human, I believe that rimming is a good thing, so please take down "licking assholes" from that list

And as a muslim I see rape and murder of infidels as a good thing.

Please remove them from that list.

Nigger who fucking cares if you kill an animal. It's an animal, a dumb, stupid, tasty animal that would have most likely gotten eaten anyway if it weren't for you eating it. That's the law of the jungle my nigga, eat or be eaten.

>Animals do a lot of things that we don't do. They rape, they murder, they lick their assholes

Are you retarded? Humans literally do all of things already en masse. If eating animals was wrong we would not be able to digest meat. Now fuck off back to your elf forest, I've got gains to make and baby cows to eat faggot.

edgy

not even vegan

well the link gives examples of cattle surviving, it says they're still capable of being aggressive, even if they aren't as aggressive as the animals we domesticated them from - and pigs are relatively smart, they have similar intelligence to dogs.
>female to male ratio
I think one bull would impregnate a lot of females and by the next generation you'd have more males.

I hate animals and I love plants, therefore I eat meat.

things that are not intelligent and are not self-aware do not have lives of value.

this includes retards and toddlers.

I wouldn't enjoy but literally anything is better than being dead

>The China Study
I've heard that study was biased so I don't have any interest in it.

>wouldn't eat their pets, but they'll gladly eat a pig that's even more like a human
the reason they wouldn't eat their pets isn't because they're like a human it's because they're attached to them and most people can make the distinction between a pet and a source of food. I think the ones who are unable to make that distinction, who become animal rights activists etc. are probably lacking or out of touch with some instinct of how to set a limit of -my social group- vs. -not my social group- or they try to do it rationally like you are through cognitive similarity and other things. In my view group identification in humans isn't set according to rational criteria like that - hence why some tribes have no issue with cannibalism even though cognitive ability is a 1:1 match. Maybe those tribes are rife with ASPD but I've never heard that suggested - in my view all they need for it to be acceptable is to see the other person as "not on my team".

Meat gives complete proteins with all needed amino acids. Plant protein does not have this.

Red meat increases testosterone and is heavily rich in nutrients. Eating things like soy, beans, excessive nuts, ect. will raise your estrogen levels and stunt your growth if you are still developing (years 0-25. Yes, a man's body continues to fill out and develop till years 20-25 after the huge "puberty" stage)

A vegan diet can be disastrous for young children and preteens, will completely fuck up your skeleton and body type for your whole life with wide hips, skinny, malnourished bones, ect. VG himself has fucked up knees and bones. You should only become vegan after you are completely finished developing, if you are still so stupid as to be set on such a path.

VG is obviously biased and dishonest, and if you take what he says seriously, kys. His studies that he references in his videos are incredibly biased and falsified. For every one "meat causes cancer and will make you die in your 20's" study he cites, there are a hundred studies that proves that meat can be very healthy and beneficial in moderation.

If he would show one study where men that work out, are fit, and eat a steak or other meat several times a week get heart disease or cancer, then maybe I would believe him. But this isn't the case. I can guarantee that the studies he cites is full of fatass 60 year old rednecks that eat meat fried in butter every day. Not to mention that cancer is a result of many different bad habits. Saying that just because a person eats meat, he will get cancer is a correlation=\=causation fallacy. Also heart disease comes from being a fatass and inactive, not from meat. Another correlation=\=causation fallacy

Humans have always been eating meat. It is very healthy in moderation and when not pumped full of artificial hormones and chemicals. My ancestors did it and managed to survive, I will do it to. There is no reason to change something that is not broken.

Wait so are you vegetarian wanting to eat meat or vegan?
If you're vegetarian you aren't really doing anything, the egg and dairy industry are probably more cruel and unhealthy for you. If you're doing it for health or moral reasons eat meat but cut out dairy and eggs.

well I want us to return to a more natural way of life, so it isn't an issue for me.
>medication-resistant airborne pathogen when?

I don't know what's dumber. You or that comic

We essentially do all the things you listed, lmao.

I mean we use a machine to mush up baby food, but same idea.

A-are nuts really that bad?

What else should I snack on that's healthy but still has lots of ez calories.

Don't listen to that bullshit. Nuts are GOAT especially cashews.
>DAT monounsaturated fat
>DAT zinc

Your body converts beta-carotene into retinol, you dingus.

You must live a very sheltered life.

I bet i could make you wish for death in a few hours

Im that edgy

Eating meat is believed to be what drove our brains to develop the way they are. By eating meat you won't lack dietary nutrition like B12. Eating red meat generally isn't good for you, period. However, eating poultry and fish is healthy. If,you're concerned with how animals are raised, simply don't eat animals from those farms. You could even raise chickens yourself. If you've ever been around farm animals you know that they WANT to be milked. They love it , it relieves a lot of pressure on their body. The animals willingly walk into the milking stands when you take them out. Also, chickens are gonna lay eggs even if unfertilized. Being a vegan to me since I've been around farms seems like some new age city hippy mentality that's not really based off reason. Sure, don't support farms that abuse animals. But don't avoid all animal products.

I think the main thing is that's it not very sustainable with all the people on this earth. Also we consume a shitload. I agree with everything you say

>killing

fuck off moralfag
they're simply prey, welcome to the food chain you dumb whore

>Meat gives complete proteins with all needed amino acids. Plant protein does not have this.
Wrong.

>Red meat increases testosterone and is heavily rich in nutrients.
There are no studies that prove red meat increases your testosterone. It does contain estrogen though.

>Eating things like soy, beans, excessive nuts, ect. will raise your estrogen levels and stunt your growth if you are still developing
Wrong. Phytoestrogens have no effect on humans.

>A vegan diet can be disastrous for young children and preteens, will completely fuck up your skeleton and body type for your whole life with wide hips, skinny, malnourished bones, ect.
Only if you don't eat properly. A child eating meat and spaghetti almost exclusively is just as bad as a child on a poorly done vegan diet.

>there are a hundred studies that proves that meat can be very healthy and beneficial in moderation.
Since you call VG's studies biased, how many of those studies have been funded by the meat industry itself?

>Saying that just because a person eats meat, he will get cancer is a correlation=\=causation fallacy.
Cooking meat literally forms carcinogens though.

>Humans have always been eating meat.
Appeal to nature fallacy.

>My ancestors did it and managed to survive
They also lived shorter than people in modern times.

And you have to kill your prey.

Kill != murder

The cow wants to be milked because there isn't a calf to drink the milk so it's painful to not be milked.
You're making it sound like some good harmless thing, but the reason the cow has to be milked is because they had a calf and that calf is more often than not killed. Same with eggs, male chicks are profitless and nearly always killed as soon as they are sexed.
I grew up on a farm too, this is common practice, not just worst case scenario farms.

>Meat gives complete proteins with all needed amino acids. Plant protein does not have this.

You write a wall of text, but your first "fact" is already bullshit. Stopped reading there.

Source: sciencedaily.com/terms/soy_protein.htm

>Inb4 soy makes your tits grow

--> ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20378106

Can you come up with LEGIT reasons to not eat meat.
NOT "cuz its evil to kill animals xD" REAL reasons please

So that you don't need to supplement your body with "naturally derived" pills and vitamins every god damn morning of your life.

Man the fuck up. Not eating meat won't save fucking anything. Animals will still be slaughtered whether you decide to be a vegan hipster or not.

Because you want to.
If you don't want to, don't.

It will make very little difference if you participate or not - much the same are the stories of climate change and globalization.

All the tosspots talking about morality in this thread take themselves a bit too seriously. The only reason I could find to eliminate beef (in particular) is to conserve water.

I saw a neat article about vat-grown beef - maybe that will be more up your alley.

Didn't they teach you these things in school?

-40% of the farms go for animal food, and if you understand trophic levels, energy is wasted along the process

-It pollutes earth and waters. Its one of the main reasons for greenhouse effect

-Its cruel to raise animals in cages, cut their tails off, remove teeth etc. They get infections, they don't see vet, they suffer from anxious and stress while sitting in their own shit. Actually its worse if they are not in a cage, because then they are just stuffed together and some get trampled, all get biten / pecked and so on.

Also red meat has lots of saturated fat, not to talk about all the chemicals and antibiotics they pump to those animals

Morally, VGs' arguments all come from the pre-concieved notion that killing and eating another sentient being is inherentley 'wrong' (based on him acting as an absoloute moral superiority) and often compares eating animals to eating humans simply because animals have intelligence and are sentient. They're based on emotion at heart.

Firstly, there is no absolute authority when it comes to morals, only the moral authority that one is induced to in society and usually is supported by religion. Its ironic that VG is a little edgy atheist but adheres to the idea of absolute moral authority when it suits him and his cause. He justifies it by saying 'humans are intelligent so they should know no to eat meat and know that its wrong'. This is a false statement based on the assumption that eating meat is inherently wrong and simply because were intelligent we shouldnt do it.

Secondly, he equates killing and eating humans with killing an eating animals. There are three models that you really have when it comes to sanctity of life.

A: no life has any inherent value
B: all life has some inherent value but the value goes up based on some factor ie intelligence of that life
C: all life has equal value

VG seems to take option C or a mixture of option B and C seeing animal life almost equal or totally equal to human life. Taking this option would make him a directly and indirectly a hypocrite because he has definently killed an animal throughout his life by just being a functioning member of society. Im sure VG has stepped on a bug in his life, im sure the plastics used in his autistic figures has resorted in the death of animals before. The problem with taking option C (which most vegans do) is that you're automatically a hypocrite and are subject to your own absolute moral authority if you take it. Going back to the first point, to say that all killing is 'unjust' and then say this just makes the idea have even less logic to it.

Cant really say much about his scientific/health based arguments as all he really does is regurgitate abstract info from a couple of (possibly biased) studies. You can find a study to support anything you want if you look hard enough.

Because evolution gave you incisors and digestive enzymes specifically to eat meat, use them you contrarion vegan piece of shit

I'd like to add that his position of sayingeating animals is wrong as they are sentient beings with thoughts and emotions and thus killing them is wrong is hypocritical since these same animals he values kill each other for food all the time, and sometimes just for sport.

We can look at some animals that we can objectively say are intelligent in different ways, such as the crow family, dolphins, chimps and gorillas and some social animals with above average intelligence like wolves, dogs and lions, etc. All of whom will kill for food. Many kill their own species for territory it mating rights, kill even within their own social groups in some situations, and kill other animals for sport.

If he holds that all species should be treated equally then the species he cares about don't follow this system. If he says that humans should raise themselves above this killing then his argument that we are all equal is based off humanity being above all other animals, and thus self defeating.

>mfw two auts from Veeky Forums defeated VG in two posts.

I'm just not a faggot who gives up

So do you still live your life like your ancestors, hunting and gatherings whatever you can to survive in forests / savanna?

If not, then consider again the possibilities

You are now just thinking, that "killing" animals is the reason some people go vegan. Tbh, killing the animal is the best thing about their life in meatfactories. And its also the least important thing if we look at the ecological side. Pollution and waste of energy.

According to a study - I think it was the Global Burden of Diseases, Injuries and Risk-factors study (2013) but I can't find a link to it at the moment - inadequate diet is the highest behavioural risk-factor for all-causes death, and a diet low in nuts and seeds is the third-highest of the types of diets they had listed - low in fruit was top and then high in sodium was second.

this suggests to me that nuts are important and we should eat more of them (there are some ways the data could be skewed for that not to be true but I doubt it).

I still live my life beating your mom's pussy up

Clearing forests for growing crops is a way larger contributor to 'pollution' than any animal farming. The problem isnt that the meat industry is too big, its that our population is too large to feed. This is also under the assumption of you going for the
>OMG were all gonna die in 10 years because of global warming/pollution quick shit in a hole and only ride your bike from now on
Al gore spoonfed theory of 'pollution'. The human effects of pollution are blown way out of proportion.

Its no longer nessicary for you to reproduce and carry on your genes anymore. Does that mean you're not going to do it? Yes, because humans are inherintly self-serving. You can cry
>muh appeal to nature
all you want but refer to

Nice, was she your first?

>Clearing forests for growing crops is a way larger contributor to 'pollution' than any animal farming.
And do you know what animals eat?

+ the fact that 15% of the greenhouse effect comes just from meatfactories

>Its no longer nessicary for you to reproduce and carry on your genes anymore. Does that mean you're not going to do it? Yes, because humans are inherintly self-serving. You can cry
This comment has nothing to do with the discussion mate, its just nonsense.

>all you want but refer to
Yeah but this isn't just about killing animals, its a relief for them

>Its no longer nessicary for you to reproduce and carry on your genes anymore.
If everyone stopped reproducing, the human species would die out. We both know niggers will never stop fucking, so this would only result in the extinction of the white race.

Yeah, inspirational quotes on a background of the grand canyon don't really prepare you for some of the shit in this world.

MODS!!!!!!

>Eating red meat generally isn't good for you, period.
except it has a much broader micro-nutrient profile than poultry and fish - non-essential nutrients but still, I think it's worth it.

I eat meat because its what my ancestors fought for. We humans werent always at the top of the food chain.

its muh privilege, no its my duty, to eat meat.

so eat organic, grass-fed venison and wild game wherever you can. It's more expensive, that's all.

that rules out all of your concerns except waste and pollution so the question is whether it's less wasteful and polluting to produce all the supplements you need to replace meat.

Animals rape other animals. Humans are animals thus we also rape other humans.

Nice appeal to nature fallacy faggot.

>Without humans, many of these animals would be extinct, over consume their environment and contribute to the spread of disease.
Your retarded, they cut down rain forests to make room to grow crops for animals. You wanna talk about spread of disease? How about the antibiotics resistant bacteria that cannot even be killed by our strongest anti-antibiotics spreading everywhere because of farm animals.

We can't solve every problem so we might as well give up solving any problem!

Nice appeal to futility faggot.

Citations needed.

We were able to have a large brain due to cooking because it allowed us to absorb more calories. There is no sound proof that eating meat had anything to do with it. Some of the smartest land animals today don't eat meat, elephants, birds, gorillas, ext...