Why has every attempt to reach communism in history completely failed and why are people still believing in this shit?

Why has every attempt to reach communism in history completely failed and why are people still believing in this shit?

As I know, Primitive Communism was, it is a historical fact

This is anarchism, not communism.

It can be argued it isn't even that, since the alpha males were the clear leaders of the pack.

Communism requires the destruction of the family, nation, religion. It is the ultimate conclusion of Christian/Enlightenment thinking.

Tribalism is the natural state of humankind.

>everything with a despotic leader is communism

it's the forever revolution which will never exist
Marx was a genius. He created a bunch of low-lives to work for ultracapitalists ad eternum

>It is the ultimate conclusion of Christian
using your schizophrenic argument the american and french revolution were Christian revolutions

why has ever attempt to reach capitalism in history completely failed and why are white niggers still believing in this shit?

Marx and Engels didn't go into much practical detail about what communism would be like or how specifically it would emerge; just that capitalism (pirvate ownership of factories, land, and other forms of capital) would eventually transition into socialism (cooperative worker ownership of the same) and at some point socialism would ultimately result in the emergence of a stateless, classless, moneyless society. This is why some of the early pro-communist parties actually supported capitalist reforms; because they thought their country was still too feudal and had yet to reach the stage of development to even begin a transition to socialism.

Lenin, Mao, etc were of the mind that this was incorrect, and they could rapidly leapfrog their respective unindustrialized borderline feudal backwater countries through capitalism into socialism using "state capitalism." This notion was not universally accepted among communists, which is why they have a point when they that Marxist-Leninism/Maoism isn't proper communism - in their view, MLMs tried to force the creation of something that has to naturally emerge.

>Why has every attempt to reach fascism in history completely failed and why are people still believing in this shit?

>capitalists and their puppets do everything in their power to defeat socialist movements around the world
>"lol guys, socialism doesn't work"

We evolved from tribalism though. Also, look up Stalin's policies for families during his USSR leadership before you embarass yourself even further.

Because of ((((human nature))))).

Pic related.

>this entire thread

>Stalin's policies for families during his USSR leadership before you embarass yourself even further.
Stalin wasn't exactly known for following the socialist theories in vogue to the letter, there is a reason he started purging perverts and addicts from the party

Every single good thing Stalin did wasn't a communist policy.

Fuck off varg

>Tribalism is the natural state of humankind.
this.
no society has ever benefited mentally or spiritually by going beyond city-state tier.
anything larger than a city-state was only ever formed to dominate others or to prevent domination by others.
anything larger than a city-state has led to spiritual detachment and decay of spiritual and mental health.
A tribe must be small enough and close enough to foster genuine affection, not anonymous altruism which results in pathology.

>the american and french revolution were Christian revolutions
they were, retard.
>We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable rights
Christian thought led to this. denying that, would be absolutely retarded.

Mugabe go home, plz.

One of reasons why USSR was collapsed that even kingpins don't believed in a communism utopia no-money system idea.

Ask Venezuelans what happens when the CIA fails at assassinating those glorious leaders.

no it was ethno-communalism with extremely high murder rates

By definition of Western Usa scholars, but by definition of Northern Soviet scholars it was Primitive Communism. Different definitions of same thing.

Academic Wewuzzing is still wewuzzing

Even quantum theory conflicting with theory of relativity, why the heck, different economical theories should be same and not conflicting?

>different tribes getting into conflicts with each other
>hierarchy and religion
Yeah no, it wasn't communism

>Tribalism is the natural state of humankind.
Well, you see, Communism very much agrees with that statement, and it is, actually, all about reestablishing the natural environment of humankind. One distinct thing about it - is that it wants to achieve it by adapting, not abolishing technology

Why has every attempt to reach democracy in history completely failed and why are people still believing in this shit?

Wrong. Don't even try to argue about "alpha males" in matriarchial tribes.
Anarchism was present before people started hunting because the division of labour did not exist and everyone did the same thing - men picking berries, cooking, same as women. When the hunting became a thing it was still anarchism because everyone had the same weapons and tools and people could not subdue others by forceful or economical means. It started with agrarian revolution.
You can't argue it's communism because communism by definition requires capitalist background to be achieved, and the element of means of production when there was no production in such societies.

>Wrong. Don't even try to argue about "alpha males" in matriarchial tribes.

"there was no hierarchy is that matriarchal tribe!"

>Anarchism was present before people started hunting because the division of labour did not exist and everyone did the same thing - men picking berries, cooking, same as women

the sexual division of labor still existed. Women were still too weak to defend themselves from nature, especially when pregnant. Men could still beat the shit out of women if they did something contrary to their will. Also, men hunted from the beginning, we evolved from omnivores.

> tools and people could not subdue others by forceful or economical means

Are you delusional? Pic related is what happened, if a woman disobeyed a man.

> It started with agrarian revolution

the division of labor became more complex, but it existed from the beginning of time.

It's a vaguely described system proposed by a lifelong NEET and a bourgeoisie factory owner bitching about his own class like a cuck.

>the division of labor existed from the beginning of time

>what is the sexual division of labor

Cobblers predate the agricultural revolution for sure.

>what is the spurious employment of a conception

Hint: Adam Smith didn't consider human sexuality to be a "division of labor."

marx did

Wrong again; a material division of labor based on sex is not the same thing as the idea of sex itself containing the fundamental necessity of the division of labor for which it is to serve as a basis

degenerating into word salad already?

fucking commie kys

>I can't understand it so it's word salad!

Jesus fuck you really are this stupid.

I'll rephrase: demonstrating that there has been a historical *and intentional* division of labor based on the division of the sexes is not the same thing as asserting that such an intentional productive division is strictly necessary even into prehistory, as you are doing.

you're making a distinction where there is no difference and word salading it up, as commies always do when backed into a corner they don't like

If you can't understand the difference between a historical division for which there is evidence, and an assumed prehistoric division for which there is no evidence, I don't know what I'm still doing talking to you.

Why do you even think I'm a "communist"? Do you think this word means "a bad person I don't like"?

>and
If you think there is no evidence for a prehistoric division of labor you're pretty much not worth talking to at all.

Let's have it, then. All you've done so far is make extrapolations

Is communism completely unworkable as a political concept, or does it just attract incompetent morons that fuck up everything they touch?

All branches of communism are derived from the Russian revolution. Stalin and corrupted an already misguided attempt at communism and spread it to China and the Soviet Bloc. North Korea, Vietnam, and Cambodia all were influenced by the Chinese. They had no hope really.

>Why has every attempt to reach communism in history completely failed

There was only really 2 serious attempts at achieving Socialism.

>Russia 1918-1924
>Revolutionary Republican Spain - 1936-1939

The rest were Stalinist exportion of Stalinism to expand Russian imperialism or National Liberation struggles that flew red flags to get Soviet support.

Do you people honestly believe Poland or Hungary or Romania etc gave a shit about achieving Communism or really any of the goals the Old Bolsheviks outlined?
Do you people believe that China or Vietnam or Laos etc gave a shit about achieving Communism? The reason they wanted to wipe away the old world was largely due to backlash to colonialism and extreme ethno-nationalism.

Honestly, go read about Lenin and the Old Bolsheviks and honestly come back and tell me that any of them would have approved of the post 1920s USSR. These are people that fought for gay rights in the early 1900s and were radically anti-nationalist and internationalist. Why in fuck would they support the socially reactionary, nationalist states or shitty ethno-centric national liberation struggles that the USSR exported and backed?

>Stalin corrupted
But he pulled people out of poverty and industrialized the USSR. As far as creating a functional state he was the most successful and competent socialist.

When it comes to actually making progress towards communism it's probably Pol Pot that wins.

>there is clearly social heirarchy/structure
>ITS ANARCHY BRO FUCK YEAH YEEHAW

you ever notice how communism always attracts young people that are too lazy to work

>War Communism and the NEP was a serious attempt at socialism
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