Liberalism (called Libertarianism in USA)
What is it exactly? What is it's history? What does it say? Why people who don't like communism choose liberalism?
Liberalism (called Libertarianism in USA)
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Liberalism and libertarianism are different. When people talk about liberalism nowadays they usually mean social liberalism and not classical liberalism which is way more similar to libertarianism.
The liberalism you describe is only defined that way in America. Everywhere else on Earth liberalism refers to its classical form.
What do they called the Liberalism in America elsewhere then?
the opposite of a socialist, these people think tax cuts are free
>these people think tax cuts are free
taxes are theft and therefore illegitimate
socialists believe people owe them things
Green or SocDem (like Labour in the UK), though in most cases those would still be too left for most American liberals.
Progressives, leftists, faggots, etc.
In theory, it's a party premised on a strong defense of individual rights and economic freedom.
In practice, it's NO PAY TAXES REEEEEEE
what does this have to do with racism? i see these flags being used in usa in far-right rallies
Nothing.
Progressivism.
De-segregation is a policy enforced by the government, therefore its bad because the government is the one doing it.
Alot of far right types love the idea of libertarianism when it applies to what the government is doing to them.
When they same policies are applied to minorities they get pretty hostile to it
Classic liberal/libertarian here, basically far right faggots making us look bad.
Communism
Liberalism and Libertarianism are polar opposites. Liberalism wants totalitarian control over everyone and everything, and Libertarianism wants freedom and liberty for all.
Racism and libertarianism aren’t inherently connected
Libertarianism should only apply to our nation, all other nations should be treated as equally or unequally as necessary to guarantee the the furthered liberty, freedom, and wellbeing of our nation.
You're a leftist pretending to be right wing, fuck off faggot.
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How am I a fucking leftist?
leftists or progressives.
He must be one of those that thinks if you're not racist you're a leftist.
oh honey, if you're not a racis sexiis islamophomic, you're a leftis honeybunnycutiepie, don't matter if you literally stand against everything we stand for, all that matters is we can somehow double think hard enough to count you amonst our number, and get really pissy and depressed when you don't literally march lock step with us
Noone here thinks like that you tard
Is this your brain on /pol/?
Anyways regarding historical connotations of liberalism, basically French Revolution and American Revolution made it much more well known and it was popularised in the Victorian era for an EXTREMELY vague overview.
Social liberalism ( give everyone equal rights, leave individuals free, uphold freedom of speech, tolerance of diversity of thought, religion etc., uphold the NAP ) and economic liberalism ( free market FTW, lower taxes and a basic security net/no public security net, anti-comprehensive welfare state, fiscally conservative ie. anti-deficit spending, anti printing money, pro-free trade and anti-protectionism ).
Libertarians are just extremist liberals who take things too literally or dogmatically. Regular liberals are more pragmatic. And even when liberals differ on social issues ( some being progressive and some conservative ), they primarily use the liberal logic of "muh freedumbz" or "muh eequaliti b4 da law" to push their agenda. So you can be a liberal progressive for example. Full blown progressivism would argue from the point of societal/economic de facto equality, unlike liberals who argue from the point of equality before the law. And vice versa for liberal conservatives and full blown right-wingers.
if a government is going to force me to give them money or else throw me in jail is it really so unfair that I expect that money to be used to help benefit society?
It's to do with the civil rights movement.
Traditionally Democrats were liberals in the classical sense but when civil rights happened the parties effectively switched sides (republicans fought for the union but are now deep south) and thus Democrats changed polices to social liberalism to win minority votes. This is why liberals in US are left wing and in Europe liberals are right wing.
Social liberalism, would be closer to it. Economically, lots of European countries would consider them left-of-centre. Their positions on healthcare and education seem too shy for them to even register as "lefty". Introducing their economic plans in Europe could even be considered reactionary.
>Economically, lots of European countries would consider them left-of-centre.
>I meant they WOULDN'T even be considered left-of centre.
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I'd posit that maybe that lots of people use that flag because they like to think of themselves as the 'every-man' and thus both big and small government things that they like are thus also 'libertarian' and everything they don't like is big government stepping on them. The 'us vs them' mentality doesn't always align with alleged ideology, it allows some hypocritical thinking. *see image
So, say, government taking a stand against abortion or prayers in school doesn't ring to them them as 'big government', but rather the government acting in accordance with 'the people' represented by them. Anti-libertarianism wrapped in a libertarian symbol.
Americans and Brits are as politically outspoken as they are politically illiterate.