ITT: People who should have been US Presidents

>no Elizabeth II as head of state over the 63 loyal federated provinces of North America
>no Glorious 21st century British Empire backed by inexhaustible new world resources

Why even live?

Second

>Rapist Eyes Mondale

No. They never will find those bodies.

MacArthur honestly. Shame FDR had him politically blackballed and Truman doubled down on that.

American businessman Ross Perot ran for the U.S. presidency as an independent candidate twice, in 1992 and 1996. He is one of the most successful third-party candidates in American history.

>implying shartmerimutts understand the meaning of loyalty

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He was born in the Caribbean, he legally wasn't allowed to run for president.
Hamilton is still one of the most interesting and colorful figures in American history however.

obama was from kenya but he got to be president twice

He was born a British subject like most of the other Founding Fathers. None of them were "natural-born citizens". Had he attempted to become President, his birth would likely not have been a big issue.

You're an idiot and a faggot.

Unironically

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Mario Cuomo runs for the Democratic nomination in 1992 and beats Bill Clinton.

>no NAFTA
>no telecom/banking deregulation
>no caving to republicans in general
>probably a less retarded foreign policy

How would President Paul Tsongas compare?

Henry fucking Wallace
the only individual with a chance of being president who would've been willing to de-escalate the soviet-US relations at the appropriate time to do so

Jim Webb

have you ever read For All Time?

can't say i have

nah I'm talking about an "alternate history" timeline someone wrote where Henry Wallace becomes president after FDR dies in 42 and he does some funny things

oh nah, tried to find it but i couldn't, got sauce?

Feel free to kill yourself if that’s how you feel

alternatehistory.com/foralltime/

each part has links leading to the next, I just searched 'alternate history for all time'. it's a story about murphy's law basically, horrifyingly funny

If only because l want corncob pipes to become popular again

but dude, a bunch of irrelevant farmers didn't wanted to get taxed at 1/26th of the british isles tax rate to help the empire recover from a war for new american territory without having a seat in parliament

>the American revolution was about taxes
Stop this meme
The taxes were an excuse
It was about Americans wanting to govern themselves

they weren't asking for responsible government though, they were asking for parliamentary representation, pretty big difference

thanks, looks neat ill give it a read

choice, though I honestly don't know anything about Wallace besides him being a progressive and FDR's vp, so I don't know if he's accurately portrayed at all

he was generally the only voice in the post-war years who advocated for better relations with the USSR, rather than the honestly rude, abrasive and non-cooperative strategy the gov't was willing to take
the primaries or whatever for the choice of VP was rigged in that they shut it down before he was able to be nominated even though a clear majority wanted wallace for VP, so truman ended up getting VP and i think we both know truman's stance on US-soviet relations

They knew they wouldn’t get it that’s why they asked for it
And even if they had respresentatives it wouldn’t have changed any laws
They just wanted independence

would it really have mattered much though considering stalin?

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I'll admit to have owed several.

how would he have been able to get anything done? I doubt it's easy to even see while you're wearing a tablecloth over your head, let alone be president

it really would've IMO
the only thing that soured West-USSR relations was the late timing of the western front and neglecting Stalin's plea for opening one up far earlier
he was still grateful for the lend-lease, and saw roosevelt as a far more agreeable individual to work with than Churchill, but i guess that isn't saying much
the big thing that really fucked up their relations was the stoppage of promised funds from the US to aid in rebuilding the USSR after ww2, which arguably wouldn't haven't even happened under Wallace
that along with truman being Churchill tier were the big reasons for the souring of relations between the two powers
it's hard for most people to comprehend but in post ww2 US-Soviet relations, the states were usually the ones had the ability to choose how US-Soviet relations went, and they were the ones who chose to ruin the relations

i guess that's true, it's just a shame that the US had to break away from the empire in the fashion they did, when Canada received responsible government only 90 years later while still an integral part of GB

>the only thing that soured West-USSR relations was the late timing of the western front and neglecting Stalin's plea for opening one up far earlier
*the main thing to sour West-USSR relations previous to the post war atmosphere

where did it all go wrong brahs

when a bigoted, loudmouth, brainlet real estate mogul with ties to multiple establishment individuals was able to frame the other candidate as the establishment
i mean what the fuck dems, you can't run a PR campaign for shit

man, that's actually really interesting to think about, a post-WW2 with the US and USSR having cordial relations

I mean the entire establishment tried everything at their disposal to take out Trump like calling him Hitler and saying he's a child rapist while glorifying everyone who physically attacked him and his supporters but whatever.

Henry's 87 now, doing good.

this guy gets it

Got the right idea user

The idea was that there would be a peaceful and cooperative competition between the powers.
Instead Truman got the VP nomination in a way best described as "odd" and he is responsible for being a military mouthpiece who helped start the whole dick-waving thing between the super powers.

Only true Americans will know who this is

No, because he still supported slavery, more specifically the rampant miscegenation between slaves and masters to give birth to more slaves so they wouldn't have to keep buying more especially after the 1808 slave trade ban. That was why slavery was opposed but the argument came to being whether or not abolishing slavery meant more or less miscegenation. The proslavery side claimed the slave-master relations were being exaggerated and it would nonetheless be largely confined to slave plantation and that if slavery was abolished the niggers would pillage whites everywhere they went and not just the South. The antislavery side argued that wouldn't happen because they would rigorously enforce anti-miscegenation which they claimed was flawsd in the Southern states as it was okay for white males to impregnate black women and slave status of the children was legally dependent on whether the mother was a slave or not. Racemixing was supposed to be a big no no back then which is why slavery came to be criticized so much by the civil war and if slavery was dependent on slave poulation growth only happening via vorboten interracial sex which is why slavery had to go in favor of segregation as to stop it. And as such with the abolition of slavery, miscegenation took a huge downturn afterwards but the cucks trying to undermine civilization keep trying to re-write history ignoring that aspect and focusing on muh racism otherwise while pushing for racemixing.
youtube.com/watch?v=D7Ka40KovVo
teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/speech-on-the-dred-scott-decision/
civilwartalk.com/threads/southern-propaganda-featuring-miscegenation.132430/page-2

>But Judge Douglas is especially horrified at the thought of the mixing blood by the white and black races: agreed for once-a thousand times agreed. There are white men enough to marry all the white women, and black men enough to marry all the black women; and so let them be married. On this point we fully agree with the Judge; and when he shall show that his policy is better adapted to prevent amalgamation than ours we shall drop ours, and adopt his. Let us see. In 1850 there were in the United States, 405,751, mulattoes. Very few of these are the offspring of whites and free blacks; nearly all have sprung from black slaves and white masters. A separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation but as an immediate separation is impossible the next best thing is to keep them apart where they are not already together. If white and black people never get together in Kansas, they will never mix blood in Kansas. That is at least one self-evident truth. A few free colored persons may get into the free States, in any event; but their number is too insignificant to amount to much in the way of mixing blood. In 1850 there were in the free states, 56,649 mulattoes; but for the most part they were not born there-they came from the slave States, ready made up. In the same year the slave States had 348,874 mulattoes all of home production.

>The proportion of free mulattoes to free blacks-the only colored classes in the free states-is much greater in the slave than in the free states. It is worthy of note too, that among the free states those which make the colored man the nearest to equal the white, have, proportionably the fewest mulattoes the least of amalgamation. In New Hampshire, the State which goes farthest towards equality between the races, there are just 184 Mulattoes while there are in Virginia-how many do you think? 79,775, being 23,126 more than in all the free States together. These statistics show that slavery is the greatest source of amalgamation; and next to it, not the elevation, but the degeneration of the free blacks. Yet Judge Douglas dreads the slightest restraints on the spread of slavery, and the slightest human recognition of the negro, as tending horribly to amalgamation.
>This very Dred Scott case affords a strong test as to which party most favors amalgamation, the Republicans or the dear Union-saving Democracy. Dred Scott, his wife and two daughters were all involved in the suit. We desired the court to have held that they were citizens so far at least as to entitle them to a hearing as to whether they were free or not; and then, also, that they were in fact and in law really free. Could we have had our way, the chances of these black girls, ever mixing their blood with that of white people, would have been diminished at least to the extent that it could not have been without their consent. But Judge Douglas is delighted to have them decided to be slaves, and not human enough to have a hearing, even if they were free, and thus left subject to the forced concubinage of their masters, and liable to become the mothers of mulattoes in spite of themselves-the very state of case that produces nine tenths of all the mulattoes-all the mixing of blood in the nation.

Slavery was bretty gud otherwise, economically efficient and even beneficial for niggers. Slaves outside the US and US pre-trade ban were treated like shit but the ban caused American slaveholders to treat their slaves for their welfare and the continuance of slavery as an ancient raditional method of nation building.
But of course they crossed the line, the blood line.

lol no they didn't.
anyone who paid attention to the Republican primaries knew very early on that Trump was going to be the candidate. The rest of the field was a freaking joke
and the higher up Republicans knew it

Jeb bush? Carly fiorina? Rudy Giuliani? Ben Carson? Ted Cruz???

Trump was never anti-establishment
and no one ever pulled out all the stops to try and stop him unless they were from media organization that trumpists didn't give a crap about

>Slavery was bretty gud otherwise, economically efficient

It most certainly was not fucking economically efficient which is why the South lost the war. The better life for whites existed up north working in the factories, and industial economies produced several times the same economic output as having a nigger work the farms who had to be clothed, fed, and given a place to sleep. Slaves were fucking expensive as hell, only a few people could even afford to have them, and if you were a white in the south who couldn’t own a plantation and slaves, you generally had to go north to find a job.

The South still basically had a feudalistic economy, while the north was industrialized. That’s the #1 reason they lost.

So you selectively choose not to remember how hard the GOP tried to stop him and supported everyone who was the most popular opponent of him

And
>the people still supporting him despite what their leaders commanded
Makes him pretty anti establishment, the GOP even had to restructure themselves to regain touch with their base and now RINOs are a pariah.

The Democrats are a joke who can only scapegoat whites and utilize useful retard leftists to match to their beat.

Why's that a shame.

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White Southerners were wealthier than the average Northerner cause of slavery which was yielding high profits which offset the costs of caring for slaves. Northern industry also relied on Southern cotton. It was why they thought they could secede and be fine. The reason king cotton failed was cause 1860 was such an unusually profitable year for cotton and Britain had a lot even after the blockade and "cotton diplomacy" of the CSA which is why Britain didn't come to the rescue. The irony was that slave labored cotton was so well-off it bit it's own ass when they tried to cut it off as a bargaining chip.
It was also routine pro-slavery argument to compare and contrast the welfare of slaves to that of free white Northern wage workers.
www.occidentaldissent.com/2012/10/15/slavery-myths-southern-slavery-and-human-development/
www.occidentaldissent.com/2012/09/16/free-labor-vs-slave-labor/
mshistorynow.mdah.state.ms.us/articles/291/cotton-and-the-civil-war

You must be a teenager. Trump’s win was so fucking unexpected that had you actually placed money on him early on to go all the way to winning the presidency, you’d have a ton of money right now. Even when he was leading in the polls, his betting odds were incredibly low.

You an absolute naive dipshit if you think all the negative media was some sort of false flag strategy to help him. The media simply grew an ego that was too big for their britches from successfully tearing down many presidents and candidates before him.

Trump was the outsider of all fucking outsider candidates and never once held a single political or military office in his life before straight up becoming US president which is unprecedented.

Lmao, white southerners were wealthier because the jobs that existed in the south for whites were better, but there were less because slavery was highely inefficient you idiot.

If you didn’t own a plantation and slaves as a white, your options were very limited. There simply weren’t enough jobs needed for whites. You basically had super rich whites who owned the plantations, middle class whites who could work the limited amount of service jobs that were needed, but then everyone else was left with no way to provide for themselves, and had to move north to work in manufacturing.

Those websites you posted are fucking laughable.

He was ethically better than anyone else, but America would be an even bigger shithole, and would be irrelevant if he had won (and stayed) all those elections. The world would be a better place then.

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>they were treated well enough so as to not die
Wow, people must've been lining up to sell themselves into slavery.

Ups, meant to reply to

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It's still not too late.

I unironically keep a hidden portrait of the Queen and toast her at every meal. My "American" family and friends have no idea how much I hate thier treasonous guts.

Mmm a loyalist? Sounds like some easy property to confisate to me

Submission to the Crown is submission to God. Reeeeeeee.

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Charles Lindbergh. He would have found a way to keep us out of war

>Literally more important to US history than Polk.

You almost had me there.

>wanting to side with the Soviet Union
>wanting socialism to be embraced further in the US
Get out

He should have waited until 1968, he would have been fantastic.

because he was a nazi in everything but name retard

What if I said Garfield? I mean he was President but spent half of that fighting to get his cabinet set up and killing the career of Roscoe Conkling and just as he finished that he spent the other half in convalesence until his death. Never really got a chance to actually be President.

Definitely makes you wonder. Even as a murdered do-nothing, Garfield was one of the best men to ever hold the office.

President for life

>Giant
>Sucking
>Sound
Also wasn't he leading the race in polls before the Bush campaign started using a bunch of dirty tricks including threatening to release scandalous (and doctored) photos of his daughter which forced him to temporarily withdraw and killed his momentum?

A Perot presidency would've gone down as great even if the only thing he accomplished was killing NAFTA.

With them though you can argue that they were still born in American territory (or territory that would go on to make up the United States). Hamilton was born on an island that's still part of the Commonwealth. I'm sure they could've made exceptions if they wanted too though.

Henry Wallace

Americans would’ve had universal healthcare and USSR as an ally

You're a faggot. Trump was definitely an outsider who had the entire MSM and his own party trying to destroy him. When they couldn't do that they instead started taking out any of his allies once he was in office, replaced them with their own people and made him little more than a powerless figurehead in a Pentagon/GOPe run presidency that panders to neocons and evangelicals.

Essentially Trump's co-opted presidency is showing us what President Cruz would've been and it's as shitty as I'd have imagined it.

I'd really recommend Peskin's bio on him to anyone. The time he lived in is really interesting and Garfield himself is a very interesting cat. definitely one of the smartest men to ever get to the level; he had a voracious appetite for knowledge and an uncanny ability to teach himself things be it war, economics or whatever.

Trump is basically an establishment Neocon at this point. None of his policies are populist related

Easy

I'll look into it, user. The only book I've read on Garfield is Destiny of the Republic. It was good but I wish it had covered his early life more.

lol. this. the republican and demo elites are the same.

Did you not even read my post? Trump holds absolutely no power. He's a figurehead with the Pentagon and typical GOP interests controlling everything and arm twisting him.

Or do you think the guy who spent years (decades even) talking about how we shouldn't be in the middle east, being aggressively protectionist on trade, ran (in 1999/2000) on a Robin Hood tax as it was called and fairly pro-UHC suddenly reversed positions to standard GOPe/neocon beliefs because he was rusing everyone for decades?

I have a soft spot for anti-communist Democrats.

looks like a 30-year-old lesbian desu

A president making empty promises? Nah. That could never happen. Trump would never lie to us. Why would he even make policies and decisions that benefit himself and the rich elites over the poor? Makes zero sense

He'd just spend all his time trying to defeat crash bandicoot in a variety of wacky ways. Don't think that would get bipartisan support.

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