Science of Nofap?

There is literally no science behind nofap.

The only science i've seen is about test levels and even that is minor and after an initial spike you end up with lower test in the long run.

If you have time to look at this documentary on critical thinking, it will become clear why NoFap, and any other similar pseudoscience fool so many people. I could spend another hour trying to reply to posts to convince anyone, but this fag explains every last thing that could possibly come up in an easy way. He talks down, but if you listen what he is saying, he is right.

youtube.com/watch?v=752V173e31o

At 10:38 he explains confirmation bias and in another part he explains how people use scientific sounding words/reasoning like
>Most notably a 'flatline' period where during abstinence from pornography the penis becomes perpetually flacid, what other possible explanation for this could there be other than there are **Chemical/Hormonal** changes in the body associated with pornography.

to make their viewpoint seem more credible. Don't be a sucker.

separate yourself from porn. the ease of accessing porn compulsively/habitually through the computer or your phone is responsible for most of your compulsive masturbation so if you stay away you will not only masturbate less but will be more inclined to seek out real women

ive been doing this shit for years trust me

i went full hard mode. noporn / nofap for the last month and in this last month ive talked to more women than i have in the last 4 years

maybe noporn is the way to go, but im happy with my results at the moment

i firmly believe noporn is conducive to a healthy lifestyle because it naturally makes you masturbate less but you can still masturbate if you want

Idk but I stopped watching porn bc I was too addicted. I'd spend up to 3 hrs a day fapping.

>faps for 1-2 hours
>needs 1-2 hours more rest

That's because ejaculation releases a Chem that makes you sleepy. In OPS case it fueled that confirmation bias and we ended up here.

quit trying to bully me into jerking off

dopamine.

you are relaxed and satisfied. not tired.

The same reason that if you go do cardio for 30 minutes before bed, you'd need more time to rest. The brain and body have a specific chemical set up that readies it for proper sleep, and it doesn't take much to upset that balance and fuck up your restfulness.

Eating a bunch of food before bed can fuck you up. Showering too close or too late to bed time can fuck you up (depending on your pre-bed routine). Fapping causes several chemical changes to your system, so of course even if you fall asleep immediately after doing so, your body is still regulating itself to try and get restful sleep.

LISTEN TO ME STRAIGHT THE FATE OF MANKIND ALL DEPENDS ON THIS I NEED SAUCE RIGHT NOW!!

Gotchu, but I have a degree in Computer Science I think I do know something about critical thinking and the scientific method

And I get that there are snake-oil salesmen on this planet, I'm really not even basing my views on what others have claimed about it. I'm just going by what I have noticed by my own eyes.

It just so happens that many other people have made the same claims. I'm not even proselytizing my views, I really just want to know more about this topic and I do have an open mind. I don't claim that I am right in my assumptions, I could be completely wrong, but it's my belief that there are some chemical factors at play here that science has yet to explore

That said, there isn't sufficient evidence to prove the theory of evolution correct, but most people still accept it as true because there is evidence that points to it as true. Just keep that in mind.

>I have a degree in Computer Science I think I do know something about critical thinking and the scientific method

>degree in computer science
Thats the STEM degree for retards

>I have a degree in Computer Science
Appeal to authority logical fallacy

>That said, there isn't sufficient evidence to prove the theory of evolution correct, but most people still accept it as true because there is evidence that points to it as true. Just keep that in mind.
Red herring logical fallacy

He literally explains both of these in the video.

The bottom line is OP was asking what is the science behind NoFap, and the answer is there is none. Zero.

Everytime I fap i feel depressed after, is this normal? Oh, and do grills know that guys fap, idk if I should tell my gf.

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NoFap has been working well for me. Well, more so NoPorn.

That said I'm not one of those "Never EVER fap again" types but I'll do it a couple of times a month at most. The "NoFap Challenge" bit is mainly for NEETs looking for something to do.

It's easier to avoid jacking it when you have to enter the workforce. Why? As said, whatever the chem is that makes you tired is avoided as you avoid fapping. You'll be more inclined to show restraint when you realize you need to perform at work.

Fapping to porn is like eating fast food.

You should be eating decent food (having sex with girls) but you eat like shit (fap to porn)

Fapping every once in a while is fine but don't do it to porn, there is no reason to.

Just fap using your imagination.

Not wanking to porn and not wanking every day will increase your desire for real girls and they will notice this.

Yeah, it's all about porn.

Dragon emperor mao tseng did no fap which helped preserve his chakras and conquered southern china. There may not be a scientific but there is definitely a historical. He wrote of zen in the art of preserving ones charka.

there is none

okay there's one study that shows maximum normal physiological variation in test levels over the course of a week, but there are n corroborrating studies, so no evidence to speak of.

guilt over normal biological functions

see a therapist

If its normal then why do almost all guys feel guilty after?

We don't. We just feel regret that we didn't make it to all of the tabs open in our browsers.

kill yourself little boyfag

sick religious culture

did you know kelloggs corn flakes were invented to prevent masturbation? by sapping your will to masturbate (and live through poor nutrition.

Actually no.

The spike in testosterone is statistically significant. And while it does fall from that initial spike to a lower level it is still at a higher baseline then it was before.
Meaning that complete cessation of masturbation does increase test production.

source pls good lord

I agree bro, I am literally a different person on nofap

Really helps with overcoming depression

Who is this gril. where do I find her and will she sit on my face?

This. But OP is a fucking retard. Oh well, i got my aether, fuck him

SOURCE

>tfw on forced nofap for the next week because in hospital
>tfw high test nurse

Okay, I'm new to the whole nofap thing.
How do I overcome my porn addiction?

little by little

kek

it has less to do with test and more to do with the psychological and physiological effects porn has on users.

nofap should instead be noporn, porn is the real issue.

youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU

Still one of the better investments, senpai

fapping is equally bad you're giving half-truths

this

to add to that, socially, in the third tier I think that watching movies, series and other people outside of reality around you, pictures perhaps even is also bad for your social being of self.

ejaculating using your imagination when necessary is fine.

Does fapping to text based porn games count?

not if you want to be healthy

Why does fapping to my imagination result in far better orgasms?

>See cool people in movies
>other people see them as well
>but you were supposed normally move through society to meet these cool people'
>going through the normal social dynamics, of social skills, people, expertise's and work
>Being bored of dumb people is actually an important trigger to give rise to the desire to move up, or to find people who are equal to you, to find partners who are better suited for you
>but now you can just watch these cool people on tv
>and your social urge is satisfied somewhat
>what started out as a supplementation for social stuff, subtly became a main form of social being for many people

you will ejaculate whether you want to or not, ejaculation has no negative physiological effect. there are no permanent long term benefits to not ejaculating, the increase int testosterone peaks after a week and tapers off afterward.

unless you have some sort of moral objection to masturbation it is normal behavior as long as it is not compulsive and gratuitous. masturbating to porn on the other hand is destructive and dangerous.

probably because if you're at the stage where you can masturbate successfully to your imagination you're healthy and not under the effects of porn addiction.

everything you've said is a lie and no, you will not ejaculate whether you want to or not night pollution is not a necessary occurrence. I don't know where you got your information, but it's contrary to fact

not an argument.

>music satisfies somekind of mental pattern in our minds
>a pattern that you were supposed to get through the act itself
>not through this cheat that stimulates the brain still
>what once was perhaps a thing for bonding, went completely out of control and started taking over as a main form instead of the action itself

This and porn, even pictures, and the drive to find women is lowered, the social path that people were supposed to take also got disrupted, millenials started living more on handouts.

So I wonder, is this another reason why the jew took over media? To move everything that gives rise to white children, away from the act itself. The mudslimes mock us for the white infertility. But the mudslimes are very strict on porn and on music. They do have tv shows though. But some cultures thought that pictures were evil, perhaps they werent able to express themselves properly without science, but they somewhat knew how freaky it could become with their minds.

neither is putting forward carefully crafted lies, salesman

some people just can't fap to their imagination because they have none

Would this and nofap could be considered super paleo or something?

>fap almost every day since 13
> make an effort to do nofap for last six months
> fapped maybe a total of 5 or 6 times in that span
> for 2 weeks I always feel like a god, then hit flatline and dick becomes dead

flatline sucks man

You can get out of it though

Look I found my way, let me tell you about it.

I think nofap is stupid, but I personally had a problem with masturbating, tried nofap for a while.

It did nothing for me but increase the intesity of my orgasm.

You just have to differentiate between the faps.
If it is a "man what should I do? Better just touch my dick" fap, dont do it and find something else.
If your dick is diamonds and you really feel that need, dont force yourself to do some other shit.

If you want to meditate, will calm you down and get rid of the urge.

I usually have 3-5 days down 1 day up periods now.

Sometimes I go further without wanking, but it really doesnt matter, what matters is only doing it when your body tells you to.

If you have a high libido and get that everyday, well go for it I guess.

Dont bother telling her just to be safe, the less you tell women the better especially if it's something that can in any way be perceived as a negative.

>That said, there isn't sufficient evidence to prove the theory of evolution correct

Dude, don't even start.

This
Do what you feel is fine for you (at any other moment than the moment of release)

Don't edge if you're doing nofap or noporn bros. seems like a good idea when you're horny, but don't

>That said, there isn't sufficient evidence to prove the theory of evolution correct,
And you call yourself a fucking scientist.

chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2013/07/no-fap-more-like-no-fucking-way.html?m=1&zx=e5e0b890053012d4

The redditors shilling nofap need to be beaten. You won't believe the above article, but it is so easy to try it.

Orgasm 3 times per day for a week then stop for 2 days. Guaranteed better erections, cumshots, horniness, testosterone, etc. than these sissy no fap cuckfaggots.

1 week is all it will take to test this. ONE WEEK. The redditors will tell you it takes MONTHS or YEARS of a FUCKING "FLATLINE" which means you are literally IMPOTENT.

The worst part is that these SMUG IMPOTENT REDDITORS going through a "flatline" will still SHILL nofap even though it has only made their own symptoms FUCKING WORSE. That is how SMUG and DESPICABLE these retards are.

Now go do the 5 knuckle shuffle.

FOUR ORGASMS CMON

>Skin quality degrades, mild acne outbreak on face
>Bags Under Eyes Appear
>Voice loses depth and bass
>Hair loses sheen and becomes wirey

No, there's no reason to believe this is due to orgasming over it being due to increased self-confidence having set and met goals.

When I SMOKE, something that is known to harm your skin, it looks to me as if my skin clears up. This is because of the known effects of smoking on self-perception and confidence.

Yeah, the theory might be groundbreaking, but in essence it's tautological: That which survives, survives.

Even without the MOUNTAINS of physical evidence we have it's still the best hypothesis.

I look at porn all the time. Literally hours a day, however I act in porn and my girl does as well.

I refuse to masturbate and age mastutbate saline with out any visual aid; sometimes we can each other.

Generally speaking, if we're getting off we're with one another.

Except all the symptoms he lists are well known side effects of chronic masturbation

>there exist a lot of options for a male/female
>take inspiration in the past, in the biggest historic "fallacy" ever (evolution)
>"work hard", "make a family", "eat at these specific and designated times"
>or take inspiration from "evidence", "science" and other sources
>some may be complete novel (like creatine, whey protein, using applications like whatsapp instead of talking to people outside, porn as well)
>some may fill new needs, (which shoes are best to wear for our feet, like those faggy toeshoes)
>some reaffirm past ideology of loosely based science and sentiments (walking 1 hour a day is healthy)
>some completely demolish them (astrology)

And out of this, a lot of unknowns still exist. Not everything that we do is because of our DNA, though some memories do transfer like in mice. Some memories dont, yet our actions and our consequences can be huge for us these days.

The only thing that matters is who makes a kid. But the trait for making a kid in these modern times may not get passed on to that kid, like cellphone usage. Or carcinogenic food avoidance.

While the threats immediate threats for us have somewhat decrease, life itself, its complexity has increased vastly. Even to animals who now have to calculate how cars drive (in order to avoid them)

Sorry, I just can't be bothered reading ALL THOSE CITATIONS.

scholar.google.com/scholar?q=masturbation skin&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5

scholar.google.com/scholar?q=masturbation hair&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5

scholar.google.com/scholar?q="masturbation" "voice"&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5

Do you need citations for water being wet?

What are you talking about?

Why do you think disjointed, out of context sentences are antithetical to the very broad concept of evolution?

astrology was not demolished, idiot

No, because water being wet is almost, but not quite, as obvious as masturbation releasing endorphins, chemicals associated with improved skin health, sleep and hair retention.

I am talking about the larger picture of life, of r/K selection theory. Of our "role" or "goal" or "path" in life as humans. Werent the examples good enough?

Yea, I am sure our nations are governed by the daily horoscopes.

>Werent the examples good enough?

No, because I'm not you, so unless you overcome your Asperger's and provide more context than 'there exist a lot of options for a male/female' we're going to have trouble.

There's difficulty in life. Even the most powerful man on earth would face death, the ultimate difficulty.
Some people comprehend this, and ACCEPT: the reality the way it is. They find joy in the true self-realization, including all the pain, they live life the way it is.
For example: a man becames a father, although he is going to share much of his life for the sake of another person's life, from whom he probably won't get anything in return, even so, he gives himself, his life, freely, because he has LOVE. Love for this life adventure.

However, others are weak and try to scape reality, sometimes searching ways to satisfy themselves, struggling to make their problems (like be lonely, unknown, unloved ) SEEM overshadowed.
Example: who that drinks till he's unconcious, or use drugs, or gorge greedily, or search sexual pleasure... he struggles to feel more contentment and less sorrow.
But this is a life of LIE, because when the momentary satisfaction goes away, the person is left alone, with no less problems, no better life, no improve, but more sad, more deeply empty.

When one masturbate, he does nothing more than be seated, alone, in a dark room, deliberated stimulating genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. He is somehow drugging himself, trying to find happiness, but finding nothing. Afterwards he'll be a lonely guy, in a dark room, with nothing but impotency, fragility, depression, fantasies... crazy

Because he wastes his energy in a selfish attempt of forget suffering (loneliness) and find happiness in a illusion, he is not BEING, he is NOT-BEING, he is already dead, sick.

See why masturbation is bad? The Catechism says "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose".

What does it mean? That the perfect life is achieved when one IS what he IS, living life like life is (Telos), God doesn't want us to live a half, sad, life, but a full and fruitful life.

It appears he's discussing or attempting to discuss epigenetics without understanding what they are.

I was talking about which path to choose as a person.

You may know this as philosophies.

Some place more value in the past, like the paleo tards. Whom I think also accurately (considering that we lived the same way for several millions of years) try to incorporate the long term evolution to these modern ages. Some nations also have this philosophy as a whole. It is somewhat right wing.

Then there are the fag people who just try out everything new with no regard for their own risks. As a whole, nations like china are like that who just produce garbage in a frenzy while their nation suffers under pm2.5 smog. People who are like that are perhaps more prone to cheating or consuming other non tested goods.

Though in the end, will it really matter? The one who produces kids wins. Though our immediate minds are not always concerned with that. There are many stray paths that men can take that have nothing to do with contiued existence (in the form of your kids)

I am probably writing a little bit too far for a nofap thread, but shit, I got bored outside and the other board is no longer my main one because those guys are dyel fags.

kek, this, perhaps. Though I feel like I understand the general base of it. The tedx thing is not that hard to comprehend and to imagine how it could have evolved.

>tfw literally have nothing to do all day
>tfw spend half the day watching porn and fapping

I literally spend 8 hours a day watching porn and fapping

most of this is true, except the parts about the giant spaghetti monster

more like this plz, the image

>degree in Computer Science
>there isn't sufficient evidence to prove the theory of evolution correct
Reaching levels of pleb unknown to mankind.

Yes yes it's a meme.
>more women for me

>tfw don't even get horny anymore

I haven't even had an urge to fap or got an erection in months, I think it's because I'm getting old I'll be 26 in October

wrong

>Computer Science
>Scientific Method

u wot m8? computer scientists conduct observation and experimentation of the natural world now?

>there isn't sufficient evidence to prove the theory of evolution correct

literally just lost ALL credibility there - and I was even willing to allow you into our club.

Physicist here - get on my level nigga.

evolution is bullshit deal with it

Iktf bro I don't even want to have sex with my gf anymore

>tfw sex drive is non existent