Full automation will never be achieved because the average person is so stupid he needs a job to keep him busy

Work is the only thing that makes someone fully human. If you do not work, you are not alive, but dead.

>Work is the only thing that makes someone fully human. If you do not work, you are not alive, but dead.
What satanic ideology is this ? I feel that I died when I first started working and I am dead ever since.
I was alive till I was 27 years, after this I died when I started my first job

Why the hell are you going to tax at 99% a bunch of workers instead of Companie themselves?

If the company is like like 10 people each managing a 99.99% automated factory, tax burden on the company is pretty much the same as a tax burden on the workers because there is so little going to overhead management.

A world where where 99% of people are unemployed and living on UBI is a world where labour and big capital have finally merged, because the most common job is managing robots and keeping an eye on market trends. Maybe the 99% trade stocks to get slightly ahead of each other and bolster their favourite producers.

Yes, because large nunbers of angry, hungry people rioting and tearing the country apart is both good for business and a sure way of getting reelected

But they'd just breed, do you not see the housing crisis in the UK? Do you not see the women shitting out 1 child every 4 years just so they can stay on an efficient amount of child benefits?
When is this going to happen so I can stop working

It'd be more efficient to just conscript everyone desu.

What a shitty excuse.

> ayn rand

Because people are consumers and they are the basis of the market economy on top of which big capital builds itself. And the political class, too, only exists to manage large populations. The underclass props up the status of the upper classes.

Patricians paid welfare an entertainment for the masses out of their own pocket, and this enhaced their prestige and power over other patricians and the masses themselves.

Why?

But that's socialism

You are making assumputions to make corps avoid taxes.

That’s because your job is not work. You feel like crap because you aren’t actually engaged in what you do.

Difficult work, physical or intellectual, is rewarding.

He's probably a moderator

No, I'm making a reasonable case for how corps would work when robots do all the hard work. The only humans working are the ones managing the robots and deciding what the robots should do. The people with know-how to do these two things are the only humans on the company's payroll. Maybe some scientists on the side for R&D. Taxing these workers at 99% and taxing the company at 99% is almost the same thing, since they are where most of the profits will go, if not to R&D. With few humans to coordinate, high management isn't required. You can just get the 10 guys that make up a corp together and have them coordinate themselves. If automation really is the game-changer people make it out to be, I expect corps will run like worker cooperatives, since the owners won't need employees. Not saying you shouldn't tax them ofc, I'm just arguing that it would be the same as taxing the few workers to sustain the many NEETs.

Full automation will be the precursor to the elimination of most of the world's population.

Why not all, while we are at it.

Make feeling machines with recursive inteligence, leave humanity behind.

If it's profitable it will be achieved

The workers are fucking robots, dude. You're going to have to tax the fucking company owner.

>When is this going to happen so I can stop working

This is exactly why it would be a global catastrophe. Socialism on a global scale. i.e., an Extinction Level Event.

So he consumes and make economy works.

>It's another "all teh plebs n subhoomins r gunna die xd" episode
Jobs are just going to drift away from STEM (with the exception of CS and Engineering) and into the liberal as well as creative arts, and the surge for "artisan" quality goods will only continue to boom

Automation isn't necessarily at odds with giving people busy work jobs

The government is gonna give everyone ubi but also sterilize everyone, removing the useless 99% of the population in one generation

>set up VR settings and encourage people to lose themselves in it
>encourage anyone who remains to join the military and police
>the remaining population will be too weak or apathetic to change anything

t. brainwashed bootlicker

Humanity will whither and die most likely. It will be like .01% of the world controlling the rest of it from ivory towers keeping us satiated with consumerist hedonism. Think blade runner.

I'm terrified of the prospect desu. I just want to fins a QT and have 3 kids and live off the land somewhere comfy. But deep down ivknow it'll never happen and I'll probably kill myself after my wife leaves me for someone more succeafull having some nothing memorable with my Time on earth. Fuck this gay earth I want to live in the 50's

Don't let your dreams be memes. If this convicted murderer can do it then so can you.

>parasite that will be purged in the glorious workers' revolution

>against consumerist hedonism
>idealizes the peak of consumer culture in the USA

There won't be a worker's revolution. They'll all be appeased with VR and sexbots while military warbots and idealistic soldiers put down anyone who tries to rebel.

>living of the land
>peak of consumer culture

>50s
>living of the land

Why do you assume that the workers will be the owners of the corporation ?

It is the other way around. I think the lower strata will keep being laid off as labourers are replaced with robots (the process would start at the very bottom and then move up until there is no one but the people at the very top), and as the then current managers and admnistrators retire, managers and admnistrators specialized in managing and admnistrating robots will take their place.

Socialism is when workers own the means of production and democratically direct their productive efforts. Getting free money from a capitalist government isn't socialism.

So, in other words, the "owners" become the only human workers because it is easy enough and much cheaper to be the only human workers.

"Owners" isn't exactly the right term. The men at the top of stock corps don't own the corp. They are supposed to serve the shareholders by maximizing the value of the corp's stock (this isn't exactly the best for the economy, but is usually how corps are run). Boards of directors and CEOs can be voted out by the shareholders.

We actually already have algorythms to handle stocks, too. Even most bankers might be replaced, leaving just a few programmers with content domain in banking handling hundreds of robot bankers.

>living off the land
>1950s
Are you retarded?

>I'm a millionaire but I want the government to give me guaranteed income
Sure thing Pablo

Imagine being this Ameriburger

>I died because I actually had to do something besides shitpost on Veeky Forums and jerk off to anime for once

Ladies and gentlemen, the socialist man

t. Puritan

Today is the peak of consumerism in America, not they 50’s.
Love how liberals axiomatically hate anything associated with this decade regardless of facts.

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>n-no true work

isnt the worry completely the opposite that people would lose their shit at losing income and going broke

Who would companies sell their products to then?

not to those who lost their jobs but to those who still make money

because if jobs are automated no one is left to get wages, which means no one is consuming the products being produced
if you want to sustain capitalism you either slow down technological development or make UBI a thing (or just slaughter the working class once you don't need them anymore)

Do you think freedom and liberty as it is now understood in the West will need to be curtailed to allow automization and the necessary economic and cultural shifts?

>slaughter the working class
A more likely solution desu.

Why wouldn't they just kill everyone below a certain IQ/other test score and keep everyone else who can keep the machines running alive?

that's going to be a hard thing to do with the "small gubrnment/big gubrnment" dichotomy pushed by burgers to smear welfare

>automation will kill jobs
when will this meme end already? same was being said about industrialization, yet here we are still working

Cars sure relieved horses from their jobs, what do you think a self-running factory would need a basic labor worker for? literally name one job that cannot be done by machines better than humans.

Nobody will slaughter anybody
Birth would be probably strictly controlled (not a bad thing desu)

Brain washed wagie

>he believes fully automated capitalism will be comfy/happen anytime soon

You are a retard

You are a retard

>controlling birth to maintain capitalism
how would you try and sell this to the public as a legitimate policy without having them go full marxist on you

Making birthing and upbringing children very expensive and overall unfashionable
Turning voluntary sterilization into a norm

>Making birthing and upbringing children very expensive
It's been noted throughout history that harsh living conditions tend to cause higher birthrates

You need to give people a choice: either they have very comfortable live or they have children and sacrifice a lot of things they could have for themselves
The existence of this choice is very important

People who live and lived throughout the history in harsh conditions barely had this choice. Their life sucked and they needed children to support them

Why are you posting on Veeky Forums then

The solution to wealth inequality already exists. It's called the Blockchain.

Because that would end most non-Whites and be National Socialism 2.0.

(((They))) got scared

But you need people to sell stuff to or else there is no point in automation.

Why do you think companies really don't care about illegal immigrants? Immergrants buy stuff and have kids.

>tfw everyone is buying into the ubi meme but ignoring the more politically expedient negative income tax meme

You will just sell more to fewer people

>apex of capitalist rethoric
>rise of the credit card and credit usage for everyday transactions, "buy and pay later" became common practice with private debt spiking
>americans consumed a 1/3 of all the goods and services in the world
>product placement levels in TV hilarious in retrospect
>for-profit mass housing projects
>birth of pop art
>all this happening while a fourth of Americans still lived in poverty (less than 3000$ a year)

Those would be less and they just couldn't take up the current comsumption levels for consumer goods. No matter how rich you are, you can only eat so many hamburgers, McDonalds needs plebs to justify it's place in the market as do most corps directly do. Indirectly, pretty much all corps do.

Won't work. Think about the food industry and see how that would work with fewer mouths to feed.

Think about it a bit more and you will see that pure numbers of purchasers will always be better than fewer people who can but a little bit more. You can't sustain an economy with fewer people.

There won't be an economy as we know it today. Capitalist economy doesn't work when 99% of the population is just consumers that don't produce anything useful. At that point there's little reason to keep them around, as they function only as parasites.

Now, I don't think it'll get that far, personally I think either mass conscription or mass VR is more likely to happen rather than outright genocide, but you never know.

>Not believing in the glorious fully automated luxury space communism meme
shamefur

Killing people is tedious and a PR disaster
why not just let sub replacement fertility work by itself? the population will shrink as time goes on without anyone getting murdered.

a question that isn't asked often enough: what kind of jobs are coming next?
imagine the nightmarish dystopia where everyone has to be a YouTube let's player because it's the only job going, everyone desperately crab-bucketing over one another to make a sustenance wage.

I oversimplify, but if the one thing humans can do better than machines is provide human companionship, who the fuck wants to be a friend for hire to the special few who actually own the automated factories and thus have the wealth to pay for a harem of friends?

There was already a story about a wannabe Youtuber who died out of a desire to become popular and make money. His plan was to have his girlfriend shoot him in the chest, with a bunch of books blocking the bullet. It didn't work.

If people can't get ahead with jobs, even with a UBI, then I imagine gambling, stunts, and crime will fill the void. Especially if they legalize more and more drugs. I foresee a future full of casinos.

Maybe 80s movies were correct?
youtube.com/watch?v=1Cq8oezbTh4

So we also have to make more intelligent people

>believing in optimistic NEET fantasies
>being an optimist to start with

Close. Full automaton will never be achieved under capitalism because a capitalist society runs socially required labor time. Basically poor people need to work enough to stay alive. This makes labor a buyable commidity to the rich, from which the worker's labor is collected. The rich take the value created by the laborer, take most of it, and give a small fraction to the worker If human labor had no value, the capitalist society would fall apart. It's contradictions would lay bare. Humans would be worthless.
Yet, capitalism must keep these people working enough for them to buy food. So jobs that could be automated are given back to people. In essence, they work for nothing and hold automation at a stand still. Yet, capitalism must support them.
So something's gotta give.

developing anti-viruses, spyware and firewalls

Always love seeing the the face of the American god called
Logic, milton Fucking friedman

Why wouldn't AI be ablr to do that?

>Basically poor people need to work enough to stay alive.
They don't in developed countries, outside the USA, as long as they aren't able to.

>If human labor had no value
It doesn't have inherent value already. Your time is only useful because it directly or indirectly provides goods and services. The time of the people managing the robots will still have value, because even the subsidized NEETs will be willing to pay for the goods and services that the robot managers enable. More money will go to the robot managers whose production (both in quantity and quality) is deemed more valuable by the market.

They can to an extent, but they are susceptible to viruses, spyware and hackers. Hackers could be other AIs too. Humans can't be infected by computer programs unless they are linked to a computer, so they will always be part of any IT team.

>capitalist society runs socially required labor time
you're not close

>full automation will never be achieved because
the machine needs us

>Yet, capitalism must keep these people working enough for them to buy food.
Not really. They can always be allowed to starve. What the fuck are they gonna do about it, rebel? Good luck, all the able bodied laborers already joined them as mercenaries and are assisted by privatized warbots.

>the rich people will pay taxes giving money to poor people to buy shit from rich people
So basically the poor people will get free money while the rich people won't earn anything. Where's the incentive then?

Oy vey think of the sacred Job Creators (TM)

Won’t someone please think of the corporations!