Hey guys. /pol/ insists that academia is full of Marxists but I never encountered that in my history department. The only Marxist history texts I've read were written in the 70s.
I'm pretty interested in Marxist analysis, especially when applied to historical research. Who are the prominent Marxist historians or political scientists writing these days? Have any major peer reviewed Marxist texts been published in the past 10 years?
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Does it have to be history? Marxist archaeology has been a pretty big niche now, mostly because marxist theory and archaeology are a match made in heaven.
/pol/ is full of shit, big surprise
Okay, go there and claim that different people from different part of the world evolved differently and have different physical and mental capabilities.
I don't think you know what marxist history is about.
This. /pol/ likes to use "Marxism" as a catch-all term for everything they don't like, but actual Marxism hasn't been popular for a long time, and it's pretty rare to encounter in today's academia.
>Marxist archaeology has been a pretty big niche now
It really hasn't. Marxist archaeology was most popular in the in the 70s and 80s, and even then it was a pretty small movement. Outside of Mark Leone, I can't even think of a very notable or popular one, and even his work isn't taken completely seriously by most people. The only person I've encountered who had anything to do with Marxist theory was an old grad student who admitted he chose it because he knew it didn't make sense, but it was easy for his thesis project.
For the most part, the most popular theoretical movement in archaeology is still processualism, which is modernist. Of course, that applies mostly to American (and to some extent to UK). I know Marxism is more popular in Latin America, though.
They're mostly in sociology but even there they're not the majority. History departments don't tend to have many Marxists since mainstream Marxist historical thought was discredited decades ago.
let me guess, you also believe that cultural marxism is a real thing, right?
Sounds interesting, tell me more
Any papers about this I can read on jstor or somewhere similar?
You can occasionally see bits and pieces of post Marxist thought as bleed over from sociology.
My lecturer literally enjoys calling out Marxist authors on Rome and explain why their arguments don't make sense. Doesn't devote much time to it but likes to explicitly mention which authors are marxists. I'd say it's just sensationalism taking the wheel again, they seem to believe that all the sensationalist articles they read are the norm in unis.
For example...
>bitching about people envoking a marxist boogeyman while invoking the pol boogeyman
Also, academia in the west is infested with marxist and its hilarious watching you guys go through this song and dance
academia.org
>academia in the west is infested with marxist
Did you even read the only one of those sources that posted an actual study?
>Overall, Marxism is a tiny minority faith. Just 3% of professors accept the label. The share rises to 5% in the humanities. The shocker, though, is that as recently as 2006, about 18% of social scientists self-identified as Marxists.
Even though it tries to downplay those findings and assert that there's a huge problem, it's pretty clear that outside of sociology, people who call themselves Marxists in academia are pretty rare, which is exactly what those anons were saying. It's a serious stretch to look at those numbers and come away with the conclusion that academia is infested with Marxism.
I'm in sociology and literally none of that happens. I'm center-right politically and no one, save one angry student, has given me shit for it. Also, one video is not evidence for how all people act in all universities.
So my video of a mob of Yale students yelling about safe spaces, the Laurier universtiy thing, and various other left wing/ANTIFA student riots count for nothing, but your one little story does? Do you honestly think Berkely rioting and destroying their town over a fucking Milo speech isnt a problem? Or constantly trying to silence other center right people like Ben Shapiro? Im just making all of this shit up?
Sure give me names then
I like Marxism and want to read history material written by Marxists
Boris Kagarlitsky, Russian academic and politician. Written many books on late Soviet Union and post-collapse Russia, most of them published in English.
Is this were we dig up the ruins of extinct civilizations that died to Marxism?
Recent history grad here, the vibe I got out of my Uni's history department was that a lot of professor seemed sympathetic to some form of socialism being introduced into the economy, but that communism doesn't work and that neo-liberalism in the 80s to the 2000s really hurt us
Wouldn't really say any of them were marxist
Well that means your university is one of the few decent ones remaining.
They are Marxist enough for your average Veeky Forums users.
Marxism has heavily declined in academia since the 1960s. The radicalism in universities tends to come from the students themselves, and while professors skew left they if anything act as a moderating force. Think of the communists at Evergreen attacking liberal professors.
>pol bogeyman
Only /pol/tard crossboarders ever say this
reminder
Then how are the students being radicalized if not by the professors?
what do you call radicalized?
>I like Marxism
The same way alt righters do: hugboxes and echo chambers on the internet.
>/pol/ is one person
>hating Marxist scum is /pol/
How to spot a redditor.
>1507424972407s.jpg
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It's almost poetic, this irony.
>alt right
Lol, back to twitter.
>le reddit bogeyman
Impressive argument, friend
Best part is economists, the people that know the most about the subject, overwhelmingly reject Marxism.
Marxism at this point is the climate change denial of economics. No self respecting economist calls themselves a Marxisf any more.
Marxists have been in the American historical profession for nearly its entire history, but they never make up a majority. They enter the scene earlier in Europe than they do in the USA. Jean Juares is a standout, and progressive historians like Beard and Becker considered his work to be meaningful.
Marxist American historians get their start at Columbia in the 1910's and 20's, a school which during the era of the progressive historiography was considered to be a hotbead, something like what we would consider UCB in the 60's. They start springing up at other schools, but "leftist" historians don't start becoming a larger minority of the whole till the American profession till the 60's.
In 60's the trend was anti-establishment. New left comes in and begins criticizing the "corporate liberal" tyranny of the US. This is where we get Zinn. Big wave of many dissertations wrote with the strong new left imprint, but crisis of academia in the 70's makes those who aren't serious about it fizzle out hard and fast.
These days there are not really any dominating historiographical trends. Historians at the moment are having a hard time agreeing on philosophical issues of history, and its kind of an every man for himself situation.
But i can tell you this- there has never been a communist president of the AHA, and any dissertation would not pass if it was written with a political tint. believe it or not but PhD's are pretty serious about distinguishing between propaganda and actual work.
>That Noble Dream, Peter Novick
>cries about le /pol/ boogieman mocking his brainlet ideology
>gets butthurt when the exact same tactic is used against him but with a different boogieman
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The OP was explicitly talking about views he encountered on you, you utterfucking retard. If I argue with an idiot on /pol/ and relay his idiotic opinions am I invoking a /pol/ bogeyman? Kill yourself, brainlet
Best part is priests, the people that know the most about the god, overwhelmingly reject atheism.
This is Veeky Forums you fucktard.
What's the matter, wanker? Still can't adjust to the fact you can't scroll through your oponents post history to find an example of wrongthink like on your home website?
I kind of wish you could, then you could see I never post in /pol/ and you would stop whining about it as though it's a concerted effort to make Marxists look like utter morons (as though you treacherous, sniveling cunts don't bring that awful PR upon yourselves through your ridiculous behaviour).
That'd be a fair comparison if God himself came down to Earth every hour and proclaimed his existence, then atheists would be as dumb as Marxist for rejecting his existence.
Yeah, I think this is the result of:
1. Entitlement amongst the American middle and upper class
2. The internet and social media as well as online hugboxes
Cause I see a lot of similarities amongst those types of students and say your right wingers/alt-right/whatever you want to call their opposite.
Somewhere along the way, US society polarized itself hard enough that it made compromise unrecheable at a cultural, societal, and political level, leading to a "everyone who doesn't agree with me is retarded" mentality.
I think the economic woes of the recession might have something to do with this.
Social Media and technology are also rapidly transforming how society functions
>you want to ignore people's arguments by going for ad hom character assassination
>lol you're a redditor
Do you have any self awareness?
I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just flat out calling you a retard because that's what you are.
Veeky Forums is a young board made up mostly of /k/, Veeky Forums and /pol/ regulars, with a few desperate /leftypol/ raiders who may have hung out in any of the latter two boards.
Pretending like crossboarders even exist on a board this young is laughable.
>communism happens and fails every hour
what
Why is she smiling while talking about being abused? It kind of detracts from the argument.
Jon Haidt said that the skew to the left for professors has increased since the 90s.
What does that mean? Is leftism simply correct?
>double line break
>pol
reddit fob
Also very transparent that you'd claim /pol/ shittery is just a bogeyman while pushing out the standard /pol/ line about how western academia is infested with marxists using the standard /pol/ tactic of dressing up your post with a couple of spoopily named urls assuming people won't actually bother to read what's within.
>Overall, Marxism is a tiny minority faith. Just 3% of professors accept the label. The share rises to 5% in the humanities. The shocker, though, is that as recently as 2006, about18%of social scientists self-identified as Marxists.
Anybody who has studied history, I'd wager even as little as an elective at a halfway decent institution, would know that marxist historiography is widely seen as an important development in historiography but one which is outdated and unfashionable. They also understand that marxist historiography is very different to and can be entirely independent of political marxism.
>but one which is outdated and unfashionable
Nope, depends on your subdiscipline.
Communism is the living process of the abolition of the present state of affairs by then proletariat. Continuous failure, outside of advancing the class struggle in local ways, Is putting it lightly.
>Who are the prominent Marxist historians or political scientists writing these days?
Since you all know them, why don't you namedrop some? I'm just as interested as OP here. All I know are some post-structuralist Neo-Marxist philosophers, not historians or political scientists.
H McQueen
>i don't know what the fuck i'm talking about but it sounds silly and all my idiot friends will back me up
lel darweens uncle is a munkey heheheh
>ausfailian almost as old as chomchom
And?
Christ you're lucky, I'm studying history at the moment in the UK and of my 5 seminar leaders, 4 are marxists. The humanities seem to me to be overrun my friend.
it's true, outright marxism has declined. Now the new hivemind bias is liberalism with a smattering of marxism about
All those cultural studies 'Marxists' will have a field day during the revolution.
>Ben Shapiro
>center right
