So here is what I ask.
Say the Holocaust never happened during Nazi Germany's rule and they did lose WW2 would Hitler still reigned as a fuhrer? The holocasust is the big reason Nuremberg Trials happened, and I reckon if the Holocaust hadn't been seen by so many US soldiers, Soviets etc. (Therefore a lack of media representation on it) that Hitler or some sort of big Nazi figure would've been kept in power as a puppet to control the already indoctrinated German people.
Also I know Hitler killed himself, but in this scenario he hasn't. And there was still hatred for Jews except they were exiled rather than murdered.
Hitler would still probably kill himself, or at least lose control of the country
He had a messianic vision, once that gets taken away, there's nothing left.
Fuck no, you're overestimating how committed the average German was to the party, even most of the SS rank and file didn't have party badges
Wouldn't it be easier to control the German population. Now I know it was relatively easy in our time line but the Allies wouldn't assume this therefore I think they would.
So what was the deal with collective guilt being imposed upon West Germans?
Why would they listen to a guy who promised them all this shit, lost half the country to the Soviets, and then still has the nerve to hang around? There's also no way the Soviets are going to agree to this plan
If you're referring to the concentration camp tours that was mostly for the populations of the towns near the camps who turned a blind eye to what was happening in their own backyard
The same way the Japs did. Hirito was utterly fucked, worse than the Germans desu.
Because many Germans were still devout, and probably angry their sons died at the Allied hands. But showing them the camps shows them there's a good reason why the war was necessary.
The Japanese emperor was considered semi-divine and the essence of the national spirit, Hitler isn't comparable
No, the Soviets and French were way too pissed off.
Germany losing WW2 would necessitate Hitler's removal from power.
Nazi's without the holocaust doesn't exist, Hitler's whole shtick was to exterminate the "untermensch" for a unified german europe
Many loved Hitler though, he fixed a broken Germany. Just forget everything you know about the aftermath of the war. I'm saying that if Hitler didn't kill him self and the holocaust didn't happen then wouldn't it be easier to have him as a puppet figure for a while. Basically a monarch or political figure with no power at all.
Yes but in this scenario the Jews are exiled rather than killed.
>would Hitler still reigned as a fuhrer?
No, because he killed himself.
>The holocasust is the big reason Nuremberg Trials happened
Utter nonsense.
French seemed to be pretty content with it, especially the Vichy coward cunts.
Tell me why they'd have happened at such a large trial. The holocaust is the epitome of war crimes. Mass murder on a industrial scale. Other than Gestapo members, the odd army officer and general here and there I can't see what would've constituted such a large trial.
There are ways the Nazis could've been prevented from carrying it out.
Georg Elser's bomb killing Adolf Hitler in 1939 removes most of the major architects of the Holocaust too. Even if Hitler still decides to authorize the Final Solution, without Heydrich and Himmler it becomes much harder to organize, especially as the war turns against Axis.
If Operation Barbarossa goes very poorly for the Germans (let's say Stalin actually heeds warnings about the impending invasion), the Einatzgruppen never have the opportunity to kill two million Soviet Jews.
If someone leaks the location of the Wannsee Conference to the Allies and the attendees are all killed in an air raid that day, that puts a delay of at least several months on the implementing of the Final Solution, if it gets carried out at all.
If Heinz Heydrich decides to defect to the Allies in 1942 instead of shooting himself, and takes his brother's documents with him, that puts the details of the Final Solution in the hands of Allied leaders who could use it to either publish it for propaganda purposes to humiliate the German government (and warn Jews of their impending fate), threaten Germany with harsh retaliation if they attempt to implement it, or if neither of those work, use military force to disrupt it (air strikes, direct action, ordering the Armia Krajowa to attack the camps while they're still under construction etc.).
No. The Germans still committed plenty of atrocities that are not part of the Holocaust, they would not be allowed to get away with it.
The scale was at that time not even fully known. The trials were mostly about starting a war of aggression.
>Fixed a broken Germany
He didn't fix shit.
>I'm saying that if Hitler didn't kill him self and the holocaust didn't happen then wouldn't it be easier to have him as a puppet figure for a while
No, it wouldn't, the Soviets are going to veto that plan and if the West dosen't play ball then a lot more countries end up with communist puppet regimes than historically did