Lithuania...

>lithuania, poland's greatest historic ally with whom they shared a commonwealth with for hundreds of years gains independence in 1918
>poland instantly betrays them and invades them for a bit of land

the "christ of europe" everyone

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Fuck P*land

Not to be rude or anything, but Lithuanian nobility is pretty much responsible for Deluge and Partitions.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Kėdainiai

Also, I'm pretty sure you're pic related.

lolz, butthurt samogitian with no history

How does one "invade" a land where the locals were (and still are) your kinsmen?

Is it really that bad there for your pic?

>christ of europe
Lol, do they really call themselves that?

I don't quite understand the image. It looks like it's saying the Poles tried to subvert Lithuanian identity, but the Lithuanian people resisted. Except that somehow makes the Lithuanians the bad guys?

No such thing as Lithuanians existed, as Lithuanian elite got polonised and the average peasant didn't even count.

Funny how Poleshits are LARPing as szlachta though most of their ancestors were peasants severely raped by said szlachta

How does 90% of the population not count? What is this Polish logic?

???

The Grand Duchy and the modern Republic don't have continuait tho. That is, the medieval and early-modern Duchy was a state formed by the increasingly polonised nobility and the modern republic was founded on the newly fostered and blossomed nationalism of the peasantry and the cleregy which set itself at odds with the polonised nobility and the legacy of the Duchy long before the war with Poland. In this sense than national awakening of lithuanians isn't unlike that of the others of the 19th century except in it's relative lateness and slowness in lit-proper (it was more advanced in thr USA, for example).

Wrong. Majority of Poles are somehow descended from the said szlachta, as it represented 6–12% of the population.

You bringing emotions to play only shows that this guy was right Just don't cut yourself anymore man, okay?

>peasants don't count
So Latvians, Estonians, Finns, Slovaks, Belarusians, Ukrainians, Slovenes and Czechs didn't exist either, right?

>Finns
>Ukainians
>Slovenes
>Estonians

>in a fucking XVII century lmao

>Czechs
Czechs had nationalism before Western Europeans, you dum dum. Hussite wars are a protip.

LOLXD

Kill yourself you 70IQ baltshit.

According to Russian, German and Hungarian nationalists, yes, many of those didn't exist and don't exist today.
If a population doesn't have a very old independent state and/or isn't ruled by powerful elites of the same culture and language as them, then they are not a "people" or a "nation" and they and the land they inhabit must be ruled by another power.

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I wonder how it feels to be stuck in an 18th century mindset

Not supporting any of that at all, just saying that some Poles claiming that Lithuanians didn't exist as a people just like them but were just an inferior population isn't a unique mindset.
Ironically Prussians and later Germans said the same thing about Poles.
"We wuz kings and tsars and high nobles while other were dumb peasants" is a common cliche.

Name me one (1) atrocity comitted by Polish interwar goverment on Lithuanian population after liberation of Vilnus. Go ahead.

Pilsudski did not take back the city because he found Lithuanians inferior. He was Lithuanian nobleman himself, and decided that his hometown deserves to be part of a country that is a successor to both kingodm of Poland and GDL. He even tried to make adefensive pact with Lithuania to prevent Soviet invasion, but Kaunas goverment acted with its typical peasant grudge,

>typical peasant grudge,
might be something to do with having his capital occupied

What makes it worse is that alot of these "nations" were sort of created by the foreign bourgeoisie/nobles since they were the only ones who had access to education and were therefore the ones who wrote down all the folklore, created the national anthem and the national epic and were even the ones who put together a language standard.

You are either ignorant or generalising an example over the whole region
>foreign bourgoise/nobles
German was a social term and natives could and would become 'German' after rising into the higher social-classes. This included changing the names into german équivalents. Rising into the ranks of nobles would have been exceedingly more difficult, as it was everywhere else.
>only ones with access to higher education
Wrong. Natives could have and did become journeymen and craftsmen and rose into relative wealth and the German social-class. This also meant access to education. Also, the cities of Livonia were bilingual since medieval times - different languages were used in different situations. Alsox2, literacy rates were very high in Livonia and particularily in Estonia since the the Great Northern War due to protestantism, spirit of enlightenment in Europe and the Herrnhuters especially. Even before the GNW schools for peasants were being built.
>language standard
The first records of the written native language in Late Medieval were done by german-speaking clergy for german-speaking clergy, not for the native peasant population. It is essentially Estonian written with the grammar of German. The reason was that priests were educated in Germany and often 'hired' from there as well, but even pre-reformation they had to have been able to say some prayers in the native tongue, hence it is natural that they would write estonian down in a way they could easily read. Later, it was the natives educated in German (as in the language they were tought in) who reformed the grammar rules and lastly the natives educated in the native language who reformed into what it is today.
>wrote the anthem and the epic
Again, the early proponents of the national awakening were ethnically estonian and german in the sense that they were part of the higher social class. Naturally, estophiles existed as well, but contributing everything to them is just false.

You mean the city that Lithuanians made up about a 1/40th of the population according to both the 1897 Russian census and 1916 German census.

Lithuanian speakers made up about 1/40th of the pop*

ticking a box on a survey doesn't make one polish, iicsrn

What about fighting to defend the city.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Defence_of_Lithuania_and_Belarus

> lithuania, poland's greatest historic ally

The union with Lithuania lead to Poland’s downfall, as it shifted the focus of the Poles to the east instead of keeping it on the Germans, who as we can see, were the greater threat.

As for Wilno and the Kresy, it was a literal who of a village in the middle of the howling wilderness before the Poles made it a city (full of Poles) and brought civilization to the pagans and a larger post-WWI Lithuania that had gotten the borders it wanted, would have only weakened both the Lithuanians and the Poles, leading to a quick the take-over by the Soviets.

This, should've stayed in the w*est and fight against g*Rmanoid and d*Nish subhumanoids

let the Ruskies eat the whole east.

>d*Nish subhumanoids

The Danish?

Early medieval Poland had a close relationship with the Danes and other Scandinavians (King Cnut the Great's mom was a Polish princess) but afterward, there wasn't any kinda bad blood, unless you mean maybe Hanseatic League, which benefited Poland by shipping it's agro products all over Europe and made the country (or at least the magnates...) rich.