Memes aside boys do any of you actually deny the holocaust?

No one denies that Hitler tried. But it's pretty obvious that Jews have abused the whole persecution thing to exploit the already weakened post-Enlightenment Europe.

Wiesenthal pretty much just made up the whole 6 million figure anyways.

Holocaust denial is actually a plant by t*rks to try and deflect their own Armenian genocide

Skeptical about some of the details, about the certainty with which it’s presented and annoyed at the maximum context denial and irrationality that goes into teaching national socialism. Also the idea of making “denying” a historical event illegal is horrifying

No, that would be retarded.

I don't care how or if it happened, but (((certain people))) surely benefited from it in the end.

Wiesenthal said that about the 5 million non jews.

are you actually implying the jews benefited from the holocaust

>12 million people die
>80 years later teenagers on the internet deny it happened

I don't deny it, but even if I did, in 400 years, there's a gonna be a monument to Hitler in Germany anyway, just like there's a monument to Genghis Khan in Mongolia.

I wish it happened but maybe it will.

How can one man speak so much and say so little?

Genghis Khan was a winner though and his empire lasted longer than a decade.

I like to point out that the Holocaust was about suppressing political opponents as well as purging Jewish elements from German society. People forget that the Nazis hated pretty much anyone that didn't immediately recite their propaganda.

Also it's not just the deaths of the Jewish people in the holocaust but the departure of thousands of intellectual minds and academics that fled the increasingly politically turbulent Germany that the Nazis were gaining control of that especially hurt Germany. There was a death/murder in some ways of collective intelligence and ability of the nation to be cynical towards it's own actions.

this is pretty much exactly where I'm at

You're on the board that fetishizes pregnant Anne Frank in a Confederate flag bikini

I don't.
imgur.com/a/725A7

From the river to the sea
Palestine will be free!

Doesn't matter. The evil actions stop being evil after enough years.

Time eats everything.

Approximate number is actually known.
It's just it is DRASTICALLY differend from 100500 millions narrative

Nope. The figure comes from an alleged verbal statement by Adolf Eichmann. Supposedly he stated that "according to his information" 4,000,000 were killed in camps and another 2,000,000 were killed by SS and other special units.

Wiesenthal took the estimate and ran.

i concur

Evil or not, you don't get monuments built for you for losing a war and having your country partitioned.

>monuments for leaders who led your country to complete ruin

uh huh

I assume you can post some citation, right?

Genghis Khan was never, at no point, hated in Mongolia.

I doubt that gas chambers were used to gas 1-2 million people to death as claimed.

I do not deny that millions of Jews and other Europeans were interned in labour camps for which they received fixed wages for their labour, and in the final stages of the war hundreds of thousands died due to a Typhus epidemic, other diseases, starvation, and general breakdown of social order.

haaretz.com/jewish/features/.premium-1.540880

>state of Israel
>constant guilting of Germany
>a blank cheque to do whatever Atrocities they want against Palestinians and get away with it cause holocaust
>constant international sympathy and you can't criticise Jews without getting called an antisemitic nazi who wants to kill 6 billion judn

I'm only skeptical solely on the fact that it's illegal to question it in many countries.

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Are you skeptical of everything else that's illegal to question in countries? For instance, Soviet atrocities in places like the Baltic states or what's now the Ukraine?

These laws are much younger than Holocaust denial itself. Most of them were made in the late 1980s or 1990s, as a counter-measure against the rise of white supremacism in a European generation which had no experience of the war. During most of post-war history — more than 40 years — Holocaust denial has been legal in all countries of the world. It was only in 1990 that the French government enacted the Gayssot Law, which declares questioning the scale or existence of any crimes against humanity a crime. This was the first European statute explicitly outlawing denial of the Holocaust.
Most of these laws outlaw denial of all crimes against humanity, not limited to the ones committed by the Axis of World War II, but also explicitly (as in Poland, Slovakia, or the Czech Republic) or implicitly including crimes by Communist regimes, and other crimes often emphasized by Holocaust deniers. Only in Romania is the law limited to Holocaust denial. The Israeli law is the only one of these laws actually mentioning Jews.

i question whether 5 million non-jews were targetted and killed Nazis

Yes. And the only reason I say that I question these things is because I am a free speech absolutist.
I don't doubt that they are, but I am in favor of the whole "sun light is the best disinfectant of bad ideas."
If you want a stupid idea to die, you allow it to be heard by everyone. When you suppress it you only validate the possibility of it being true.

Agreed
>I think that six million may be a bit of an exaggeration
>Of course, I don't believe in some grand conspiracy

>If you want a stupid idea to die, you allow it to be heard by everyone. When you suppress it you only validate the possibility of it being true
That's not how it works nowadays. You can tell a lie, prove it a lie and for some people "it could have been a truth". It's like spreading rumours about people.

Also the denial laws are hardly global. They affect only certain countries.

>I think that six million may be a bit of an exaggeration
>Of course, I don't believe in some grand conspiracy

If by "exaggeration" you mean less than 4.2M people, pick one.

But there is no logical connection between the banning of discussion of something and the event actually happening. Especially in polities which are NOT free speech absolutists. And that leads you to ridiculous "conclusions" like but not limited to

>Tibet was always conquered by China
>The Tiennamen square massacre never happened, and there was certainly no pro-democracy movement going on there.
>The Second Congo war most explicitly did not feature any fractitiousness or internal rebellion in the DRC
>The aformementioned Soviet atrocities just didn't happen.

I don't deny the holocaust ever happened. I do think the official death toll is a bit fucky though. When I was in junior high people said at least 8 million died. That number seems to fluctuate with time for whatever reason.

I agree with all of this, except I'm fine with the six million figure. a lot of regular people think pretty much exactly the same because it's mostly true.

>>No one knows the number of victims of the Soviet gulag. It's still indeterminate, really.
But that's wrong.

I'm not going to dispute that a shitload of people died, I will say that I don't know about some of the details and reasons. Lotta bullshit concerning camps I would say.

I think the most accurate number to me is 5.1 Million

And you're basing it on?

Yeah, im doubting that.

I don't think jews matter enough to be specified Axis members were genociding everyone, not just them. Eastern Europe got fucked hard, so did Chinaman, but Holocaust is the special event.

There was a case just this september, guy isn't sentenced yet but has been charged.

That and pic related are Sam's best looks throughout the ages tbqhwy

I also don't deny the holocaust, I just don't think there was anything wrong with it.

This, did you go to high school in a certain affluent suburb of Pennsylvania? We spent one full year of high school history (freshman) studying nothing but the holocaust, then the next year's english class reading and having to write short stories based upon anecdotal accounts of the holocaust.

We never once learned about the Polish or anyone other than jews getting put into camps, which leads me to believe Jews utilize it for certain gains (antagonizing political opponents, advocating for jewish interests, etc). And if this is the case, it would be all too trusting of basic human epistemology to say this would not get abused and eventually exaggerated in the mainstream. I would mostly attribute this to jews just pulling the right stops in the publishing houses and entertainment procurement companies, which is whatever. If I was in their position I'd probably do the same.

and yet you provide no info at all

Funny how Americans study the holocaust so extensively and yet they don't know shit about it. What do you even study, seriously?

This thread is sad. It shows that there are more idiots on Veeky Forums than I thought.

I expect Americans, like in Australia where I am, also get a zero-context, low resolution understanding of national socialism and antisemitism where Germany was “fooled by a charismatic leader” (why were smart people fooled? What by? Was it fooled via lying?). There’s no context given for how antisemitism sprung up other than “Hitler was le evil”. Went to one of the top schools in the state and the teacher literally said that Hitler was the most evil person ever. That’s not history. That is propaganda

anti semitism was present in europe since forever, especially from late 19th century and then on

As an Ashkenazi Jewish American I mostly agree, but I know that much of the cruel stuff in the camps actually did occur.

>the holocaust
>6million
>camps

it was 11million ppl, large amount of it, if not the majority was done outside of camps by simple point and shoot or other fucked up way, american education is trash

>context
It's not even about that. Americans don't know how the camps worked, how gas chambers worked, what was the final solution all about, they don't know about Einsatzgruppen operations in the East, or about Auschwitz being mainly a labor camp, or how the ghettos worked, or what was Judenrat and so on.

How the fuck can you study the holocaust for years and know virtually nothing about it? The amount of stupid shit I've read on Veeky Forums about the holocaust is mind-boggling.

You’re right. “Was present” might have been a better way of phrasing.

It was 5.9 million Jews and at least 6 million other people. But most of them were not killed in gas chambers or even shot. Non-Jews were either starved to death or overworked. Still at least 1.5 million non-Jews were shot in anti-partisan actions or in ethnic cleansing operations.

>pregnant Anne Frank in a Confederate flag bikini

zilinak.sk/prispevky/7017/marian-magat-bol-obzalovany-pre-trestny-cin-popierania-holokaustu-hrozi-mu-8-rokov-za-mrezami

Quick google translate would imply the gypsy was spreading neonazi propaganda "including" misinformation about Holocaust and approval of it.

Anyway, Hitler should've exterminated you all, fucking slav*s

Stay mad kikelord.

The only american education worth a damn are the (faux) ivy universities and some of the bigger state colleges. Most of the edgelords here never rose above community college level.

Anyone who believes the official 6 million figure is a legitimate fucking retard.

I'm sure you can explain why according to European censuses some 5-6 million Jews stopped living after WW2.

For most /pol/tards higher education consists out of badly compressed, artifact ridden jpgs about the joos and white genocide.

of course no, but numbers are pretty weird: if you trust some sources, half of poland population was jews

Listen here you fucking liberal, only 10.000 of Europe's Jews died in the labor camps, most from old age or suicide.

>like the Holocoaster
what?

There wasn't even that much kekes in Europe, retard.

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There were more than 5 million Jews in Poland, Ukraine and Belarus alone. Stop taking your informations from neo-Nazi sites you cretin.

In 1931 there were 3,113,933 Jews living in Poland. In 1939 there were of course more (maybe 3.2 or 3.5 million). After the war some 100.000 remained (estimates)

According to Polish census of 1946 there were 20,520,178 Poles, 2,288,300 Germans and 399,526 others (including other minorities such as Ukrainians) living in Poland.

Listen up you smelly kike, only about 200 died in the peaceful concentration camps, and they died of sicknesses.

>There were more than 5 million Jews in Poland, Ukraine and Belarus alone.

Why do you parrot this bullshit? Just because it is not on wikipedia it is not true.

You can easily check it yourself by reading the original censuses.

web.archive.org/web/20140317212240/http://statlibr.stat.gov.pl/exlibris/aleph/a18_1/apache_media/VUNVGMLANSCQQFGYHCN3VDLK12A9U5.pdf
For Poland.

And the Soviet one:
elib.shpl.ru/ru/nodes/17507-vsesoyuznaya-perepis-naseleniya-17-dekabrya-1926-g-kratkie-svodki-m-1927-1929

>if you trust some sources, half of poland population was jews
Which sources?

Also jews
everything that can be evidence against me is jews
the lizard people put it there for them
JEWS

>200 dies of sickness
What the fuck am I reading

German medical care in the camps was top-notch to the extent that they diverted much-needed supplies from the Eastern Front to care for those under their protection in the collective housing projects at Auschwitz, Treblinka etc. The 200 figure commonly cited is actually those who died from errant Allied bombs.

Nah, my grandma used to have a half Jewish/Half Armenian friend in the occupation by the germans, and they shipped her of who knows where; her mom(she was armenian so not for extermination by the Germans), celebrated in the street when Eichmann got the noose.

Nice reverse psych Jew

Absolutely agree and everyone with at least half a brain will agree too

you fell for the bait my dude

I hope most deniers are just underage and being edgy and that theyll grow out of it. Unfortunately this isnt always the case.

google faggot

In truth, I don't care nearly enough about it to have formed a qualified opinion. To me, it's a perfectly plausible scenario and seems to be too big to have been faked. The numbers are likely exaggerated somewhat, but probably still in the"greatest massacres of the 20th century" ballpark.
My issues with the holocaust are more about the ridiculous significance given to it. Genocides are a dime a dozen, the holocaust is only distinguished by the amount of attention and propaganda versed upon it. The best thing someone ideologically motivated to deny it should do is forget about it, and let everyone else forget it too.

200 sounds like exaggaretion. I'm a chill normal guy like you, not some antisemitic conspiracy theorist, but honestly the 200 is exaggeration used by the fucking jews to force guilt upon white people and destroy the white race through miscegantion.

13 is more realistic estimate.

IMHO it's treated like that because it's the first time in history when it's been industrialized. Also it's still within living memory for hundreds of thousands of people.

Did you experience it yourself?

The only figures that should be considered for the term 'Holocaust' to apply are the people who were gassed/shot/killed on masturbation machines etc., including people who died on poor rationing and from overwork is a bit disingenuous, especially considering the hundreds of thousands who died in Siberian Gulags in the cold and on shitty rations mining coal 24/7. Including on top of that the number killed for various reasons whether they be partisan related or ethnic cleansing of regions by the Nazis, ethnic cleansing really wasn't anything special for that war or any others before it or even after like in the Yugoslav wars.

Alright guys, give me your BEST evidence as to why the 6 million figure is exaggerated.
I honestly wanna know.