Huns

Who were they?

What was their problem?

>"""""""empire"""""" of huns
i dont know why it bothers me so much but its retarded to call confederations of tribes like that, they were loose horde of various tribes that was pillaging shit and collapsed as soon as their leader died

>Who were they
Huns, obv.
>What was their problem
Bitches don't give them protection money.

Confederation of mongolian and turkic tribes later joined against their will by germanic tribes.
Also they needed to feed their horses and sheep.
So that they could eat those sheep which would enable them to sustain their population.

>Huns, obv.
Where did they come from?
Where they Turkics? East Asian? Iranian?

They were mix of Mongoloids and Nordics.

We really don't know. They're from Central Asia sure but whether they were Iranic, Indo-Euronigger, or Slanty-eyed Nomads we don't know because Roman records of them were lost.

Would you call the territory Alexander the Great conquered an empire?

The are thought to be the Xiongnu, a nomadic tribe most likely with mongoloid features. They were most likely proto turks and/or proto mongols. They were probably from an area north of tarim basin in the west of china.

They pushed westwards, allying, subjecting and pushing away nomadic tribes of the central asian steppes which were back then mostly iranic people such as the scythian, alans or sodgians.
They did the same when they entered europe (past the uralic mountain range) pushing away slavic and east germanic tribes.

You see, it wasn't really an empire.

The Hunnic """Empire"""" is basically centered on the Huns' ruler's main clans, holding together a confederacy of Nomads. The "territory" they had was basically consisted of peoples who paid tribute to the Huns, which the Huns then in exchange promised protection.

Huns never administered their subjects. They just rolled around the territory collecting tribute, being asked favors, and saw what they could do about it, and moved on to the next bunch of guys who owed them stuff.

The huns subjugated and conscipted all of Germania

And never ruled it. Again: visit, heard favors, left.

Also troops were part of the tribute. "Hey we're going to war. Gib soldiers and funds and we'll handle it."

>And never ruled it
he would execute people if they were traitors.

>all of Germania
"No."

As defined by non-roman lands east of the danube until they are no longer germanic and north of Austria. They did.

Wrong.

How did they reach gaul then if they didn't go through germania?

name the tribe he didn't conquer

They were BLACK

This. The Xiongnu theory is still the most plausible explanation of the Huns.

One thing to remember about the Huns is that they weren't really an ethno-state. They had various languages and rallied around whatever strong leader could achieve their interests.

Very easily. To attack Gaul they didn't have to conquer or even pass through all of Germania. Pic related, the entirety of northern Germania is left untouched by the Hunnic incursions into Gaul. I'm not suggesting that all of the Germanic tribes in northern Germania were left untouched, but engaging with them was not necessary for Atilla to make his way into Gaul.

>the tribe
You're missing an "s".

How come they didn't destroy Rome?
Did they fear the papal warrior?

>a nomadic tribe
Xiongnu were a confederation of West Eurasian Indo-European speaking tribes and Mongoloid tribes that spoke various languages such as Turkic and Mongolic.

Pope Leo paid them.

Literally the only way you could drive the Huns without a fight.

Why did they bump this thread?

>because Roman records of them were lost.
When? How?

Noone knows what Leo did/told/offered to them. Doesn't have to be that he payed them, I always liked to think he told them about Jesus and they fucked off

The contemporary guy who wrote about the Huns when they arrived and under attila was Priscus. Priscus even met Attila when he was a dinner guest of the latter. Described him as "Short of stature, with a broad chest and a large head; his eyes were small, his beard thin and sprinkled with grey; and he had a flat nose and tanned skin, showing evidence of his origin."

Much of his work was lost due to accidents.

No. The "territory" of the Huns consisted of concentric zones of influence centered on their base in Pannonia. Tribes closer to that area like the Gepids were definitely subjugated, but the further you got from there the less influence the Hunnic leadership had. The Huns reportedly extended influence as far north as the Franks and Saxons, but the influence there was more akin to separate states than an overlord - the biggest interaction between the groups seems to be the Huns attempting to interfere in a succession dispute among the Franks without anything really coming of it.

I know about that; they even try to explain the common "thin beard" huns had with saying they made wounds on children's cheeks so they endure pain from the early years or some shit.

Eurasia steppe Gate Theory

if you murder germania which rome did not protect, and did not want to protect, and then pay tribute of men and gold. Then that tribe has been annexed. Rome held no power over Germania, and tried to cheat Germans out of protection after they bent the knee to the emperor. Germany is a shit-tier coutnry and its people cannot win wars to this day get over it with your bullshit.

No, no one does. People refer to it as the Macedonia Empire however because Alex was crowned Pharoh and King Of Persia. By definition when you hold the crown of multiple entities you are the emperor of the extent of that imperial congregation of kingdoms. As soon as Alex died however the Empire he conquered was not referred to as the Macedonia empire any longer.
You see the difference in these two topics, yes?

Are the Hungarians really the descendants of the Huns?

What exactly would you call it then?
Im not asking rhetorically, because you're right, empire doesn't really seem to fit.

Nah they're Magyars. Its literally in their name. They used to ride around with the Khazar confederacy until a Turkic subconfederacy called the 10 Arrows (Onogur) split off, takingthe Magyars with them to Europe.

Then the Magyar tribes of the confederation split off in search for prime real estate. They landed in the Carpathian basin and thought it was bretty nice, and settled there.

"Hungary" came from a Frankish translation of "Onogur." Since some of the HUngarians used the Confederacy name when identifying themselves upon being asked by Frankish monks in the 800s.

In the 900s, they tried expanding further into Germany until Otto the Great halted them at Lechfeld.

Kek, no. But shit eating hungarians LARP as huns. Literally every second aborted shitgarian is called Attila.

Turkic Confederation

Their problem was expansionism

No, the name Hungary is totally unrelated to the Huns, it's actually derived from "Yugra", a region in central Russia near the Ural mountains, where their ancient tribes were originally from. I.e. Yugrans -> Ugrians -> Hungarians.

No ifs or buts about it - you are a soygoy.

Wikipedia uses the term "Nomadic empire."

But really, most states founded by Steppeniggers ended up that way unless they settled down like Seljuks, Ottomans, or Yuan Mongols

That sound a lott like feudalism

Nope. Nomadshits ruled over multiple systems to be exact: city-states, tribal people, actual feudal people, and so on.