Communism in the United States

>this triggers the /pol/tard

Jews weren’t overrepresented among cheerleaders for the Vietnam War. They were, however, very overrepresented among cheerleaders for the Iraq War, despite the fact that only 0,64% of American soldiers who died in this war were Jewish.

They're also very overrepresented in anti-war groups, what's your point?

>They're also very over-represented in anti-war groups
But those rats rarely mention the role of the Israel lobby in the Iraq war

You must not have been around then. The far-left fringe in the US propagated the most vile anti-Israel and even anti-Semitic conspiracies imaginable.

Not really they either blamed oil companies/Military industrial complex

See Left-wing Jews harbor a level of disdain for Israel I don't even see out of American Muslims. They're the ones who started the whole "Israel is an Apartheid state" meme

Oops wrong pic

Check out the Zombietime blog. Plenty of anti-Israel banners and the magazine Adbusters had an article discussing how many members of the Bush administration were Jewish, for example.

The vast majority of left-wing Jews are Zionist, they just tend to be liberal Zionist who support international law and oppose (some, but usually not all) war criminals in the Israeli government

If communism was a secret pan-Judaic plot, then why did the USSR oppose Israel and give military aid to Israel's enemies?

>Zombietime blog

Literally who?

zombietime.com

This was pretty popular with right wingers in the US during the Bush years. Some guy/gal who lived in the Bay Area and took photos of all the batshit insane anti-fa protests.

Because Israel sided with U.S. after they assassinated the Kennedy brothers and acquired nukes

A lot of the left-leaning ones still push the apartheid comparisons though. Same way with far leftists here in the US.

You're all a bunch of brainlets if you think there's something inherently "political" about being jewish, when all you have is to look at their family structure to see why they tend to foster "exceptional" individuals. And no, it's not about the atom family or w/e it's called.

>communism was a secret pan-Judaic plot

That’s not what most anti-Semites claim. They claim that the reason why so many Jews promoted left-wing ideologies was because a large number of them believed that these ideologies were beneficial primarily for the Jews rather than for their host societies.

Maybe it's because Jews are smart enough to see that communism is inevitable.

>A lot of the left-leaning ones still push the apartheid comparisons though.

They are not wrong. The way Israel treats Gaza is not very different from how South African government treated bantustans under the apartheid.

Nah, they have mostly ditched communism after it stopped serving their interests.

>after it stopped serving their interests.
Those interests being what exactly?

I didn't the Bantu got UN representation

Those communists had no problem killing jews along with the rest, so hardly. Unless your claim is that the experiences jews lived through carried them to extremist egalitarian ideologies, which isn't controversial.

>its a "/pol/ shitpost thread" episode

Before the creation of Israel, communists were one of the strongest opponents of anti-Semitism.

>Those communists had no problem killing jews along with the rest, so hardly

Before the creation of Israel, Jews were underrepresented among Gulag inmates and overrepresented in the Soviet secret police and Gulag administrators.

>Those communists had no problem killing jews along with the rest, so hardly

Before the creation of Israel, Jews were underrepresented among Gulag inmates and overrepresented in the Soviet secret police and among Gulag administrators.

>Many of these younger radicals aligned themselves with communism during the Great Depression and World War II, the heyday of both the Communist Party and Jewish women’s involvement in its work. The party swelled from just under ten thousand members in 1929 to about forty thousand in 1936 and to eighty-three thousand in 1943. Female membership expanded from about 15 percent in the early 1930s to 30 or 40 percent at the end of the decade and to about 46 percent in 1943.
More than 4 million Jews lived in the US in 1930s, though. I'm guessing some Jews joined the communists because of the raise of Hitler and fascism (I'm sure there were some fascist organizations and parties in the USA).

>underrepresented
Compared to which ethnic groups?

>Left-wing Jews harbor a level of disdain for Israel I don't even see out of American Muslims.
I think you may be oversimplifying, there are some very loud pepople but as a left wing jew I'd say the more common political position is that Israel has a right to exist, but both the Israeli's and Palestinians are shit and not worthy of our support.

>Jews are bad for joining groups that don't hate them?

It means that communist Jews were often motivated by their tribal interests rather than by sincere belief in Marxism, and that the reason why so many of Russian Jews enthusiastically terrorized Russian Christians was because they held grievances against them.

>but both the Israeli's and Palestinians are shit and not worthy of our support

Agreed

Almost all other ethnic groups in the USSR.

i require this claim to be sourced

I call bullshit.

Depends on the moments. Polish jews fleeing west poland were killed or sent to gulags in high proportions for example. Jews in general were in part victims of every massacre by the early soviets, and the jews in the government had no problem fighting among themselves and favoring non jews. The jewish communist clearly didn't give any special fucks about jewish people. The only thing conspiracy theorists cling to is their high proportions, which is easy to explain without a conspiracy.

theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/06/13/kevin-macdonald-translation-of-solzhenitsyns-in-the-camps-of-gulag-chapter-20-of-200-years-together/

kevinmacdonald.net/SlezkineRev.pdf

ihr.org/jhr/v21/v21n1p39_michaels.html

>Implying it's not especially true for communists

You must be a commie

>Implying communism doesn't entail world domination

Yeah,funny.

So instead of becoming demobongs or republicux they joined the worst political organ in the world

reading through your second link now, I'm not seeing anything relevant to this discussion though

This is not a source. And even in those laughable articles there is nothing about Jews being underrepresented in Gulag camps compared to almost all (more than 50 ethnicities in the Soviet Union).
Seriously, stop lying user.

>ihr

I'm sure many also joined Republicans and Democrats. There were more than 4 million Jews living in the USA in 1930s. The communist party at its peak had 83.000 people.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Jewish_Labour_Bund_in_Lithuania,_Poland_and_Russia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Jewish_Labor_Bund

Why did you post this?

>still using a pic with sources that are mostly bullshit or reports of rumors

This might have been a alright thread about the history of communism in the US but to bad it's just a /pol/ Judeo Bolshevik bait thread

The obvious reason is that jews all over the world wantedcommunism. I don't have a graphic for the yidd Bela Kun and his jewish ringleaders in Hungary, or a better one for the yidd Rosa Luxembourg and her jewish ringleaders. I'll get on those

Are you jewish? It'd explain the posting itt

Demonstrate.

>anyone who says anything negative about jews is a poltard stormnigger

Protected class. I get it.

Some jews all over the world wanted communism and some jews all over the workd were fighting against it. Just as for any other group, except in higher proportions.

But you are clearly are /pol/ this is just a sad bait thread of you talking to yourself

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Béla_Kun

>His father was a lapsed Jewish

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Luxemburg

>was a German-Polish-Jewish Marxist theorist, feminist, philosopher

2% of Russian imperial population came to dominate 2/3 major communist movements? This doesn't seem odd to you? It was Stalin who physically removed them.

Obv I have two people talking to me, and the rest of the thread needed redeeming. What was this thread supposed to look like according to you?

>come to thread about commie jews
>"they dindu nuffin"
>"yup my non-sources say that's true"
>let's move on

>the race with the highest average iq (due to eugenics practiced since the middle ages) is most likely to become communist
really makes you think

It's only obvious for you and only because you're a kid brainwashed by /pol/.

Yeah it's tough being a Jew and being overrepresented in the 1%. Better advocate for communism!

We both know their interest in communism was because they'd be party leaders controlling the goy. How many Jews do you know that do manual labor?

>looks up IQ of Israel
>94

bahahaha so this is the power of jewish communists

One of us is using facts and evidence, he other is trying to vehemently ignore them. When I was a kid I was a leftist socialist in favor of no-borders

Why weren't the Jewish voters interested in communism then?

tell me what socialism is, right now

You aren't using facts. Your idiotic infographic are not facts. God, you guys are so boring, ignorant and uneducated.
>When I was a kid I was a leftist socialist in favor of no-borders
Who gives a fuck?

>What was thread supposed to like to you
A discussion of communism in the US like the topic of the OP

Where? We already demonstrated yidds in Europe were all about it, starting civil wars in the Baltic states and helping out the soviets, civil wars in Hungary, in Germany, etc. The freikorps foiled the one in the Baltic states when the Soviets invaded and had communist support and foiled the one in Germany.

In the US it's probably because they had enough political power in the mainstream.

Wasn't Fisher counter jewish himself?

>Demonstrate
One of the sources:
archive.org/stream/cu31924030480051/cu31924030480051_djvu.txt
The entire shit is just people discussing rumours, with some of them claiming that the soviets are claiming that jews control the soviet union, others claiming that the communists are all working people, others claiming that everyone loves trotsky, etc. You get your shit charts from random claims, for example "In Russia it is well known that three-fourths of the Bolshevik leaders are Jewish". Of course "it is well known" is terrible evidence.

>2% of Russian imperial population came to dominate 2/3 major communist movements? This doesn't seem odd to you?
Vastly exaggerated. But no, their overrepresentation is not surprising, the same way the kurd overrepresentation in socialism in the middle east or blacks in america is not surprising.

According to the 1936 Soviet constitution, it's the economic system they were implementing to achieve a communist society. Communism being both the new "state" and governing body of communist peoples. Altogether it had the trappings of democracy but it was basically a pyramid scheme. I'll post a pic so you can see the opposed NSDAP version, which is essentially a meritocracy.

>"I refuse to look up anything you say for my self, I don't like the associated sources, and I refuse to better myself"-the post

And get this, my brother was a communist. His party split from the CPUSA because they figured out that the party heads were siphoning funds. When we turned away from it all he admitted they were almost all jewish, and the ones siphoning funds were all jewish.

So don't talk about the International JEWISH Labor Bund, which supported world communism and was based in New York? Well that would be convenient

You haven't demonstrated anything. How many Jews voted for the communist parties? Were the communists the most popular Jewish parties?

>starting civil wars in the Baltic states and helping out the soviets
What civil war?
>civil wars in Germany
There wasn't a civil war in Germany.

Your understanding of history is minimal.

>The entire shit is just people discussing rumours
No sweetie, it's pretty well documented and the hook nose stereotype works very well if you bothered to read anything and look at the profiles of Rosa Luxembourg to Hugo Hasse . Your source isn't very useful either, not compared to the sauced in the original counter communist pic.

>Vastly exaggerated
Um no sweetie. Putin above says in a speech that at one point yidds controlled 80-85% of the bolshevik government. Israeltimes had actually reported it as well but they took it off. I guess they figured out that wasn't a good thing lmao

And yes, with as much membership that the communists had, in the millions, it looks strange that only 2% of the population took over the entire country until Stalin removed them.

Your brother and you sure are looking something to larp about.

I don't care about you or your family. Stick to the topic.
You clearly haven't even read the article about International Jewish Bund.

What are your political leanings? I'm not going to make a joke of it, but this is serious shit and people need to know what's going on. What's been going on. The only reason I could think of that people would ignore everything from the civil wars throughout Europe, lead by yidds, to Putin's speech,verified by yidds, to ignoring the present state of socialism in the west is if THEY are jewish and feel threatened by the exposure instead of just admitting it.

>not explaining what you're talking about

I'm done with you.

I see, you were "leftist socialist", but never read Marx to know the basic definition of socialism that is 'the ownership of the means of production by the workers' and think that marxist-leninism is the true form of communism, how embarassing of you. Though I couldn't expect anything more from a NutSac larper.

Funny, highest ranking American killed in action in ETO was a Jew (Maurice Rose).

>No sweetie, it's pretty well documented
What is well documented? The pic you posted has sources. I just posted one of the "sources". It's just people talking about rumors.

>Your source isn't very useful either, not compared to the sauced in the original counter communist pic.
Are you retarded? My source IS from the pic.

>Um no sweetie. Putin above says in a speech that at one point yidds controlled 80-85% of the bolshevik government. Israeltimes had actually reported it as well but they took it off. I guess they figured out that wasn't a good thing lmao
And woodrow wilson believed the sisson documents, which argued that the bolshevik government were german agents governing for germany. Saying "X believes Y" doesn't tell me shit. Come back when you have evidence. And by evidence I don't mean rumors.

>And yes, with as much membership that the communists had, in the millions, it looks strange that only 2% of the population took over the entire country until Stalin removed them.
But that is false.

This is a distinction that /pol/-types often miss. Just because a large proportion of communists were Jews doesn't mean that a large proportion of Jews were communists.
The NBA is mostly black. However, most blacks are not in the NBA.

I don't see how it's relevant. But I'm a social democrat, if that makes you happy. Please grow up and stop larping retarded ideologies, both left and right.

Explaining what? You making shit up? International Jewish Labor Bund was not a communist organization, neither was Polish Bund.
There was no civil war in Germany. There was a minor uprising between socialists and communists crushed by Ebert with the help of the freikorps. Some of communist leaders were Jewish. This has nothing to do with Bavarian Soviet Republic, which also had Jewish leaders, but, for example, Eisner was a democrat and only after he was assassinated more radical people came to power.
I have no idea what you are saying about the Baltic states.

>highest ranking
Yeah, for a reason.

I've read more Marx than I wish I had. The USSR defined socialism as their economic system. According to them, they achieved it.

constitutii.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/1936-en.pdf

>ARTICLE 3: All power in the U.S.S.R. belongs to the toilers of town and country as represented by the Soviets of Toilers' Deputies.

>ARTICLE 1: The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics is a socialist, state of workers and peasants.

Marx at the end of Ch2 of the communist manifesto lists 10 things a country must do to become communist. He explicitly states that ALL transportation and communication must be centralized by the state, and not just the means of producing them either. That means, according to Marx, the Cubans and Soviets never should've been allowed to own cars and their cars are public property. It also means the laptop/desktop you're on would be collective property.That's why Leninism augmented Marxism-because Marx got almost everything wrong in practice. If you were a serious Marxist, you would turn it in to a commune but you'd rather cry about how real communism is never achieved while simultaneously doing nothing to advance it in a system that allows you to.

I knew the quality of communists was rapidly declining, but I didn't know it was this bad.

>"Even if Jews were prominent in the Communist Party leadership, this prominence did not translate into support at the mass level" wrote Jeffrey Kopstein and Jason Wittenberg, who analyzed the communist vote in interwar Poland. Only 7% of Jewish voters supported communists at the polls in 1928, while 93% of them supported non-communists (with 49% voting for Piłsudski). The pro-Soviet communist party received most of its support from Belarusians whose separatism was backed by the Soviet Union.

>I've read more Marx than I wish I had
>proceeds to quote the manifesto
Nice try.

>There was a minor uprising between socialists and communists crushed by Ebert with the help of the freikorps

>Some of communist leaders were Jewish. This has nothing to do with Bavarian Soviet Republic, which also had Jewish leaders

Why would you think I was picking second instead of the first.

>I have no idea what you are saying about the Baltic states.

Here's a starter
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian–Soviet_War

See those 10k German volunteers? No the wikipedia article isn't complete before you bitch about it.

>International Jewish Labor Bund was not a communist organization, neither was Polish Bund.

So because your wikipedia search defined them as socialist, you don't think the're communist?

What do you want cited? He worked on the Manifesto. Kapital? It has far more problems. We can discuss that instead.

>social democrat
So a cowardly communist. You should know the history of those two movements are linked to the same roots. Especially if you happen to be in Europe.

have you read Das Kapital? the manifesto is nothing but a meme to get the attention of the proles

>So a cowardly communist
No.

>You should know the history of those two movements
Non sequitur.

Communism doesn't work.

Did they join the Comintern? Because Polish Bund didn't.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian–Soviet_War
This is a civil war? And there is nothing about Jews here.

lol lets not forget those LARPers from the Weathermen Underground, most of the fags and sluts who started the group were rich and jewish

>Non sequitur.
No sweetie, it directly followed from the first point. The fact you can't piece it together isn't my problem.

It's terrible. Kapital really showed what an absolute retard Marx was. Pants on head retarded.
>very first page he talks about utility value, saying value isn't subjective like in free market or barter systems but everything has a firm objective value
>then he goes onto say that the value is derived from the materials mass and proportionate space, using an example of triangles in a rectangle to demonstrate proportions of value
>according to this same example, a 2x2 pad of compressed feathers is comparable to the value of 2x2 panel of 24k gold
>then he immediately blows himself the fuck out by saying use value is really determined by what the object is used for, which completely invalidates his first thought exercise on shapes and value. He never explains how value is objectively defined from use, or what a formula would even look like.

You have it backwards, Manifesto is for petty bourgeoisie dabbling for fashion. Kapital is for proles who have low critical thinking and high motivation to find a religion that doesn't involve God.

Quality sources

>No sweetie
Cringe.

>it directly followed from the first point.
How ideologies developed historically doesn't imply much in terms of their actual theorical/practical relation. Mussolini came from socialism. Hayek was sympathetic towards fabian socialism at some point. The local communist guerrilla from my country started as an antisemitic fascist movement. What does that tell us about socialism, fascism, liberalism, etc? Very little, if anything.
Social democracy as conceived now has nothing to do with communism in practice.

>according to this same example, a 2x2 pad of compressed feathers is comparable to the value of 2x2 panel of 24k gold
Well, this is the stupidest reading of marx I've heard of. I'm not even a marxist.

Why do you people always fucking accuse people of being Jewish?