Why does it seem like Austria completely fucking sucked in every war they were in during the last 400 years?
>loses thirty years war that was started by german peasants >vienna itself is almost captured by kebab >btfo'd by napoleon for over ten years >only wins when they're part of a literal continent-wide coalition >loses again in italy, this time to dirty italians >loses to prussia >consistently fucks up everything they do in WW1 and loses to fucking SERBIA
How the fuck did Austria remain a European power for so long?
Well, they won every single war they had with the Turks. Also, having a good time with excellent food, wine and Mozart. Could be worse I guess, could be Polish.
Henry Murphy
>started by german peasants You mean Czech noblemen?
Levi Martin
>War of Spanish succession >War of Austrian succession >War of Bavarian succession >War of Polish succession They were only good when the war had some relation to fucking and inbreeding
Nathaniel Flores
Slovak* nobleman The czech were still peasants ruled by Moravian nobles at the time
Austin Garcia
>von Wallenstein, the guy who butchered Gustavus Adolphus' troops everytime they met on battlefield >von Savoyen, general responsible for removing over 60% of Franko-Turkish population >Alvinczy, the very first man to defeat Napoleon (also fair and square, unlike Waterloo) >von Österreich-Teschen, acknowledged to be the very best of coalition commanders by contemporary generals themselves Austrians are very underrated if anything
Jackson Parker
>Prague is in Slovakia Amerimutts out
Kayden Hughes
Forgot Radlický who btfo'd whole Italy in 1848
Adam Roberts
>Why does it seem like Austria completely fucking sucked in every war they were in during the last 400 years? Once they ran out of Spanish cousins and Italian generals to save them they had to rely on Germans.
>How the fuck did Austria remain a European power for so long?
Spanish and Italians. Once they had to face an external force just with their Germanic strenght everything went down.
Brody Fisher
>Why does it seem like Austria completely fucking sucked in every war they were in during the last 400 years? That is because brainlets apparently don't now about the Turk wars.
Mason Carter
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Christian Wood
Because they were a confusing clusterfuck of nationalities with no common interest. Before 1806 Austria didn't even exist, there was a Hapsburg Empire and Austrian lands were only a part of it.
However the Habsburgs did a wonderful job of using this myriad of ethnicities as cannon fodder. In fact the empire survived for that long solely because it had an almost unlimited supply of Slavic and Hungarian troops, who were extremely fierce and savage in combat. After confronting Austria in 1809, Napoleon said that the Slavic Grenzers were the only warlike troops in the entire Austrian army.
Cooper Cook
Its pretty ironic how you say they won every single war with the Turks and then you laugh at PLC.
Jose Flores
Clear indicator that winning wars isn't everything.
Oliver Gomez
>Radlický Never heard of him, but this surename sure sounds Czech, not really Austrian.
Landon Evans
As oposed to Alvinczy and Savoy?
Parker Wilson
>Based Castillians carried Austrian,Italian,Flemish,Portuguese,Catalan and native numales to 150 years of dominance with 1/4 of the population of France
Cooper Collins
Not on my watch
Justin Wood
>Moravian nationality
Christian Turner
Josef Václav Radecký z Radče
Christopher Jones
Poles won 70% battles they fought. I don't know what you're talking about.
Charles Williams
I love how Poles on Veeky Forums get so easily flustered every single time
Josiah Sanders
>says something retarded >gets corrected HUR DA POLAKS
Connor Turner
Please stop posting already, you embarassing virgins
Dominic King
>Poles won 70% battles As mentioned, it is not always about winning, losing in style is equally important, and apparently Austrians managed to lose a couple wars without having their empire fall apart.
You know, the butthurt is pretty distinctive.
Evan Martinez
>If I call them virgins no one will see how retarded my post was xD Sure
Jace Wright
geeze what sort of terrain modifiers were you getting
Liam Richardson
How do you think the ottomans got till vienna if they won every war against them.
Joshua Rodriguez
Extremely embarassing virgin post, please leave this board
Caleb Flores
>Because they were a confusing clusterfuck of nationalities. So basically: like many states in Europe?
>Romanov Russia >Polish-Lithuania >UNITED KINGDOM
Hell you can also argue that there was no French nation prior the French Revolution.
Brody Nguyen
But user, the Austrians won that war. Turk's army bleed out in front of Vienna, twice. YOu should know, Poles saved the day.
David Moore
>fair and square This is why Napoleon defeated half a dozen coalitions.
Noah Young
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Anthony Gutierrez
What the fuck is going on here?
Tyler Campbell
You don't just walk to the enemy's capital without a fight.
Christian Allen
The Eternal Habsburg
Colton Mitchell
This is a his map with the stats of the Austrian Army from 1495 to 1878. It shows where the main battles took place.
... of 182 Battles 97 were won ... of 5.160 individual combats 2.291 were won ...
From the year 1601 to 1878 there were 116 years of peace and 161 years of war ...
22 wars against France, 9 wars against "the half-moon", 10 wars against italian states, 5 against Prussia, 4 against Spain, 3 wars against Bavaria, 2 wars in each case against the Swedes, Denmark, the Barbary Coast and each 1 war against russia, Saxony, Switzerland and Egypt ...
the 100 most important (for Austria) battles are plotted in the map.
Jose Cooper
>Austrians won that war. More like spanish won that war...
Ethan Wright
>Poles won 70% battles they fought that's not hard when all they fight are turks, fellow slavshits and some swedes
Michael Mitchell
>Bella gerant alii, tu felix Austria nube ever heard this?
Kevin Roberts
>More like spanish won that war... Especially since Spain wasn't even involved in that war you dumb cunt.
Justin Brown
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Camden Scott
>Wallenstein Waldstein* Amerifat get out
Brandon Turner
You don't need to win battles if you fuck/buy/bribe the enemy.
One could say that they played to their strengths.
Leo Cruz
Apparently you don't need to be the God of War just to rule over some minor Balkan tribes, it is enough to just K.u.K. them and be a tad smarter.
g*rmans in charge of renaming slavic settements lmao
Nolan Hall
Von savoyen is an austrian he's of the same dinasty that unified italy kek
Levi Smith
>British and American soldiers based in nearby Salzburg noticed the name afterWorld War II, and began to travel to the village to have their photos taken beside the signs while striking various poses. The local residents, the Fuckingers, were considerably bemused as they had not previously been aware of the meaning of their village's name when read as English >The local residents, the Fuckingers
Joshua Ramirez
Source: For God and Kaiser
The austrian emperors had a special relationship with the army and they did NOT play with their soldiers lives. They REFUSED to sacrifice the lives of the soldiers and would rather lose a battle than throw men into their deaths for "muh honor" and "muh prestige" unlike everyone else. Furthermore, the austrian cavalry was the best cavalry in the world. Brits repeatedly said this.
I recommend the above mentioned book for the entire history of the austrian army since its beginning to the end of WW1. After reading it you'll see just how much retarded meme bullshit gets spewed here about Austro-Hungary and so on (see OP).
Even with all that said, it is both true and was and is understood both by contemporaries and modern scholars that Austria was never a militaristic country/empire and that they never even attempted to be one. They relied on diplomacy and alliances to get their shit done. That is a far greater achievement. Lo and behold, the first Habsburgs were powerful people since the 10th century all the damn way until 1918. That's about a thousand years of relevancy, power and influence while many "greater" men and countries disintegrated in mere decades (but you still fellate them).
Mason Lopez
bümp
Joshua Garcia
oo, I like that flag
Landon Thomas
>>loses thirty years war that was started by german peasants They didn't lose the 30 year war
>>vienna itself is almost captured by kebab Muh almost
>>btfo'd by napoleon for over ten years So did everybody
>loses again in italy, this time to dirty italians Dumb. Austria beat the Italians left and right
>consistently fucks up everything they do in WW1 and loses to fucking SERBIA They were doing rather good in the Italian theatre and BTFO'd Serbia - Literally only country that didn't fall to trench warfare jerk but rather got occupied till the french re-took it in 1918
So as you can see, your thread is bullshit
Xavier Cooper
ah yes, revisionism
Juan Torres
You sure showed him wrong!
Ryan Cox
>The czech were still peasants ruled by Moravian nobles at the time lol, Moravian noblemen ruling Moravia actually thought that the rebellion of Bohemian noblemen is pretty retarded
Levi Bell
>consistently fucks up everything they do in WW1 and loses to fucking SERBIA They were doing rather good in the Italian theatre and BTFO'd Serbia - Literally only country that didn't fall to trench warfare jerk but rather got occupied till the french re-took it in 1918
conquer Serbia with the help of Germans and Bulgarians
Ethan King
S*rbia stronk!
Caleb Lopez
They were rather fucking up untill they removed that incompetant fieldmarschal in charge of the campaign at the start of the war. To lazy to check the name, Pucnik or some shit. Some Slovenian name. Doing retarded shit as charging the enemy's artillery training fields and so, tpical ww1 stuff. After that it was they blitzkried'd Serbia making their entire army along with the king run to corfu where the french dunkink'd them