Given English's Germanic origins this really isn't that surprising. Before the Great Vowel Shift it sounded notably more Germanic in pronunciation.
Adrian Sullivan
it's literally just a cognate of "are not"
So basically the only wrong way to say it is in the singular.
Kayden Evans
This dude is on an island in Canada somewhere. Sounds like historic South Eastern English to me. Rhotic R but dipthongised vowels a bit more similar to Southern US, which makes sense considering immigration patterns.
There's this extinct A vowel that used to define South East England that's alive in American and Australian English. From the 18th century London English began to dominate, but London English is as based on Midlands English, as old Southern English. It's a shame because London English from the 1800s onwards was absolutely disgusting.
Dominic Collins
I think it's like how people think "ye" was ever a thing, as in "ye olde english", but ye was always used as a stand-in for the thorn letter which meant th, so ye=the.
Basically people forget how things were said or what they meant, things change in the meantime, vowels shift, people forget letters like thorn existed let alone makeshift substitutes using European printing presses, and then people just assume thou is pronounced the way it would be if someone spelled it phonetically today. Luckily there are still people in England in 2017 who say thou/thee and they all rhyme it with you, or the way they say it descends from that.
Every wondered where the suffix -ton comes from in placenames, rather than town? Because the historical pronunciation of town is toon, and toon said quickly sounds like "ton".
Charles Young
I've heard it said that some New England and Southern accents actually preserved the colonial era English accent that has all but disappeared in Britain.
Samuel Flores
fpbp tbqh
Joseph Davis
Also the Welsh, both English and Cymraeg speakers, make wide use of the rolled r. It's also still fairly common in the north of England, not in the cities but up in the dales, people still talk funny.
Oliver Sanchez
Both "ain't" and "y'all" were once considered regular forms in many British and American dialects
Jonathan Wood
>Dutch
No, he's talking to a Frisian.
Owen Thomas
>Because the historical pronunciation of town is toon, and toon said quickly sounds like "ton".
The pronunciation is STILL toon in Newcastle and Sunderland.
John Adams
As a Dutch guy I think this sounds quite a bit like Danish.
Jayden Harris
linguistics thread? I'm game. Why in the process of transition to old English to french did we,insist on keeping the same spellings? I know it resulted in many types of vocabulary words but at the expense of the reader and condistency of the English language. Even french doesn't have as many inconsistencies. It makes
Although we don;t think of English as an ancient language, it's actually the longest-written of all the modern European languages, and so has preserved a great many archaisms in its spelling. Unlike America, where there was a reform of spelling, and France, where an elite academy has the authority to "update" the language, English has always gone on popular usage over academic proscription, so while words do change spellings in English, its a haphazard process that relies on people choosing the new spelling out of personal preference until enough people use it that it becomes the norm.
Charles White
Is this the ugliest sound a human being is capable of producing?
Jonathan Mitchell
I read this article some weeks about, a brief sumary about English changes thanks to it´s relations with other languages:
This is what happens when you mix a woolybacked sheep-shagging Lancastrian with a bogtrotting potato-shagging Irishman. Liverpool was a mistake.
Hudson Edwards
The slum clearances in the 1960s caused it. Before that point most of Merseyside would of had either a non regional or Lancastrian accent. Most of the older generations in Liverpool speak with RP BBC style accents the scouse accent is very new and is actually really sad that it's catching on with younger generations.
>Most of the older generations in Liverpool speak with RP BBC style accents
Posh Liverpool isn't RP or even close. There are plenty of gentile English accents that aren't RP. There's posh Liverpool, posh Edinburgh, Potteries, etc. None of them sound RP or even close to it.
Samuel Ward
They speak Standard Northern British, they have flat a's and hard glottals and use expressions such as "me" for "my".
Matthew Taylor
>There are still people in England in 2017 who still say thou/thee What?
Luis Cruz
Saying me for my isn't mispronunciation for what it's worth. If it was just for my it would be erroneous but it's all Y's. It's even a feature of upper crust RP actually.
Adam Brooks
wtf i love whig history now
Logan Richardson
>In Sheffield, the pronunciation of the word was somewhere in between a /d/ and a /th/ sound, with the tongue at the bottom of the mouth; this led to the nickname of the "dee-dahs" for people from Sheffield. In Lancashire and West Yorkshire, ta was used as an unstressed shortening of thou
>In rural North Lancashire between Lancaster and the North Yorkshire border 'tha' is preserved in colloquial phrases such as "What would tha like for tha tea?" (What would you like for dinner), and "'appen tha waint" ("perhaps you won't" – happen being the dialect word for perhaps) and "tha knows" (you know). This usage in Lancashire is becoming rare, except for elderly and rural speakers.
Robert Lopez
That does not sound like Dutch.
I'm a German who studied English linguistics, so I'm familiar with both. I also grew up near the Dutch border (Emsland), so I can understand it fairly well (you could study it in schools in my area, but I didn't). My grandparents were all Platt speakers.
He sounds like East Coast Canada for sure. Newf or Nova Scotian or something.
Dominic Hill
It's not inconsistent. Until the mid 1800s, plebs couldn't read let alone spell so it was only a consideration for academics anyway, and they had no problem with this. Words with French origins were spelled intentionally to make their French origins obvious.
And a lot of English words ARE spelled phonetically correct -- correct for 400-500 years ago.
Bentley Brooks
The result of more than 5 generations of inbreeding.
Nathan Torres
Shit, all England's acid attacks really happen in the wrong city. Acid splashers: please go to Liverpool and do the city a favour.
Ethan White
>would of >in a linguistics thread RRRRREEEEEEEEEEEE
Henry Harris
>not appreciating the small mistakes that eventually become the correct way of saying something
Jeremiah Wood
Don't even try that on me.
Michael Nelson
day 1 linguistics 101 linguistics is descriptive not prescriptive
Ryan Thomas
What are people actually saying when they say it, then?
Jose Smith
Why
Josiah Thompson
Insightful. Advanced. Clever.
Jonathan Wright
Are the Northern/Yorkshire words thaa and thee not descended from thou and thee, then? I liked to think they'd been preserved in that form around here.
Xavier Gomez
>combination of norse-influenced english and generic irish thanks to viking settlement and paddy immigration think it is desu
The Maine accent really fascinates me, was in the service with someone from Northern Maine and he sounded just like the dude in the vid. His family's accent was even thicker, could barely understand what they were saying
>mfw hear ayuh faggot everyday for almost 3 years
Dylan King
>be me >speak an outdated weird accent hat hasn't changed much in the last 500 years >get exotic bonus wherever I go >girls find me cute and burly for whatever reason >can read middle high German text fluently Could be worse I guess
Would have, which is what actually makes sense grammatically and logically. It's not an issue of prescriptivism, "would of" is just a nonsensical malapropism.
I don't know how you talk, but I say "would have".
I get that some will take the contraction "would've" and pronounce it "would of", then reflect that back in their writing, but even then it's still wrong.
Thanks for the pedantry, but "would of" is meaningless.
Before the throaty 'r' came into vogue around the time of the french revolution, the rolled 'r' was the norm.
Josiah Myers
lol, sometimes I wish I had an interesting accent, I'm from some bumfuck part of Central California and people still talk with a hint of of a Midwest accent as do I (weird for a bean). People from Southern California and the Bay sound generic as all fuck though
Never really thought of it that way, I've met people from all over the country and the general consensus always was we spoke the clearest English (someone once told me we have the "Newscaster accent") or sounded like surfers with the exception of guys from the rural parts of Northern and Central California. Then there's those people with that weird fag accent in LA and San Fran
Jose Sanchez
>Newscaster accent
Honestly, I always think of Chicago or something when I try to imagine newscasters.
Jason Bell
Yup, Swiss.
Luis Martin
I met a cab driver in the CA Inland Empire with a perfect Newscaster Accent, he sounded like a natural Cronkite, the older Californians are more likely to have the Newscaster Accent
Adam Harris
North Yorkshire and Westmorland are cosy af desu
Mason Turner
As my Great Grandfather liked to say, "You can always tell a Yorkshireman, but you can't tell him much."
Charles Gutierrez
It's funny, Westmorlanders and Cumbrians have much greater landscapes than, yet aren't nearly as boastful as Yorkshiremen.
Jaxson Sanchez
I have something very close to a newscaster accent, but that happened kind of by accident. I'm from the PNW, and thought the accent up here sounded terrible (it has some features of the Northern Cities Vowel shift, which makes everything sound nasal), so I deliberately dropped that part of my speech patterns. The combination of a West Coast accent and neutral vowels ends up sounding very close to what broadcasters learn.
Andrew Walker
Yorkshiremen split the atomic nucleus and invented football Just be thankful we're both northern masterrace and not from that there London
Liam Allen
Yorkshire "men" are barely primates. >"Yorkshire was a mistake" -t.god
Logan Martin
source on that quote?
Hunter Hernandez
It's called the Holy Bible, a filthy illiterate Yorkshire ape like you wouldn't understand.
Noah Kelly
Californians definitely sound like they're from California, and it's not a nice "newscaster" accent. Makes you want to hit the person with a shovel.
Mild mid-western accents are the most pleasing to listen to, IMO.
Dominic Garcia
lancaster mentioned, truly god's english
Josiah Roberts
Which part? Leviticus 12?
Benjamin Brown
It's near the back, after God talks about how much he hates the French, but before he boasts of his hatred for the Germans.
Jaxson Walker
I always find the relative treelessness of the UK kind of eery and fucked up... like what the hell did you guys do? Sheep, not even once.
Aaron Kelly
Yeah but the moorlands are beautiful to drive/cycle through.
Matthew Harris
You Christians sure are a contentious people.
Lincoln Carter
Our ancestors were intelligent people, so they rid the island of its forests (basically just ursine honeypots for unsuspecting humans, the fucking grizzly cunts) and turned it into farmland for our beloved bovines
Mason Evans
I do wish there were more trees in places but a bracken and heather covered fellside can extremely beautiful
Jayden Jackson
>666 Yeah this guy knows about the bible.
Jordan Gray
County Durham here, can agree
Blake Watson
Lol yeah fucking right.
Jacob Green
Can I help you?
Wyatt Walker
This is why the academy français IS so great. It updates the spelling to stay in line with pronunciation. England was always and always be an absolute bodge-job nation.
Isaac Gonzalez
Where are you from?
Alexander Wilson
As mentioned, I'm Swiss, our local dialect has a lot in common with middle high German because we skipped most of the Vowel/Consonant shifts of modern High German.
Wyatt Price
Oh right. I thought you were British. Sorry about that. I could believe a Swiss person could have an old German accent.
Hudson Nguyen
>academy français %)
Zachary Peterson
I like the sound of that Old Yankee accent you hear in Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire. I think you're referring to that very annoying California "accent" where every single statements ends like its a question. Very common in the Urban parts of LA and the areas around San Fran and ballSactown.
>Mild mid-western accents are the most pleasing to listen to, IMO.
We still have people in CenCal, the High Deserts and the Northernmost part of CA that have a hint of Midwest. People forget that CA is pretty big and that the places around LA and the Bay are inhabited yoo
Robert Diaz
People in the UK with 500 year old accents are called Scots. Irish people sound like Shakespeare did, give or take a bit of Irish influence.
Michael Miller
Weird ass combination of Massachusetts accent and Canadian. Makes perfect sense that it comes out like that though. I mean, Maine is right between Mass and Canada.