Get a shit ton of supplies from the allies

No bait can change the fact the German army was destroyed in Russia

Winning WWII was the only good thing those filthy commies did right, if you ask me.

>>other allies defeat Japan by themselves.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Manchuria

To be fair the Western Allies could have reached berlin before the Russians. They just delayed their efforts so their armaments industry could rake in more cash. From the American perspective a longer war was preferable to give their British "allies" more time to bleed financially out so they could make them their bitch even easier.

>>an entire coalition of states

yeah, if only the russians had some sort of UNION of other SOCIALIST STATES fighting along with them.

this cant be forgotten, and aside from american opinions, it was well known that the soviet invasion of manchuria was a far more pressuring factor in bringing the japs into negotiations than hiroshima and nagasaki

>if you arent a cringy commieboo then that means youre a stormfag
lol fuck off leftypol

>it was well known that the soviet invasion of manchuria was a far more pressuring factor in bringing the japs into negotiations than hiroshima and nagasaki
>this is what leftypol actually believes

lol

m8, the US had been bombing huge cities and civilian targets for months, and due to Japan's largely wooden infrastructure, it caused an absurd amount of damage unseen anywhere else by bombing campaigns
two large bombs placed on moderately sized targets of meh tier value didn't stand out that much from a far larger bombing campaign that had rocked ancient cities all across the island
however, the soviet invasion of manchuria threatened an absolute fuckton of japanese infantry that was necessary to have any foot up during negotiations, and the amount of time it took to create bombs like fat man and little boy was very long compared to soviet capability to annex manchuria

> other allies defeat Japan by themselves.
Did you forget the part when USSR crushed the backbone of the Japanese army in China in a month?

The shame in August storm is that it was done so well that people don't even notice it.

>a single bomb that could destroy an entire city didnt stand out
lol imagine choosing to be this retarded just to shill your cringy call of duty sovietboo shit.

If you unironically believe America had nothing to do with Japans surrender and that they only surrendered because of fucking Manchuria you are beyond retarded

>Did you forget the part when USSR crushed the backbone of the Japanese army in China in a month?
you mean literally a month into the end of the war after america had crushed their navy, took their asian territories, repealed their attempt on Australia and Midway, and moved into place to take the Japanese homeland?

>Did you forget the part when USSR crushed the backbone of the Japanese army in China in a month?
If you're talking about the Kwantung army it was literally an undersupplied piece of garbage at that point.

>However, as the war situation began to deteriorate for the Imperial Japanese Army on all fronts, the large, well-trained, and well-equipped Kwantung Army could no longer be held in strategic reserve. Many of its front line units were systematically stripped of their best units and equipment, which were sent south against the forces of the United States in the Pacific Islands or the Philippines. Other units were sent south into China for Operation Ichi-Go.
>The quality of troops had fallen drastically, as all the best men and materiel were siphoned off for use in other theaters. These forces were replaced by militia, draft levies, reservists, and cannibalized smaller units, all equipped with woefully outdated equipment.[5] The Kwantung Army had also bacteriological weapons, prepared for use against Soviet troops (see. "Detachment 731"). The bulk of military equipment (artillery, tanks, aircraft) was developed in the 1930s, and very few of the soldiers had sufficient training or any real experience

first, calm down
second, i never remotely implied that the US had nothing to do with Japan's surrender, only that the straw that broke the camel's back was the soviet invasion of manchuria, rather than the bombs on hiroshima and nagasaki
third, i am not a sovietboo, not a big fan
the bombs dropped on hiroshima and nagasaki only accounted for 20% or so of total deaths caused by the air raids on the japanese homeland, and although they do stand out, they weren't the largest factor in concluding the war in japan
even American intelligence staff concluded that the soviet entrance in the japanese front would be enough to convince the japanese of defeat

>only that the straw that broke the camel's back was the soviet invasion of manchuria, rather than the bombs on hiroshima and nagasaki
and this is factually wrong. How clueless do you have to be to think nukes in your own mainland country arent as important as some meme puppet state being invaded?

>third, i am not a sovietboo, not a big fan
and yet, you argue a meme history point from them.

>and this is factually wrong

>" Doubts about the necessity of an invasion have long existed. As early as mid-1946, for instance, the United States Strategic Bombing Survey-after extensive interviews of Japanese officials and analysis of military, political, and economic evidence-also judged that Japan would likely have collapsed before an invasion.[3] Again, a recently discovered intelligence study prepared for then Chief of Staff General Eisenhower a few months after Hiroshima concludes, first, that even an initial landing on Kyushu was only a "remote" possibility, and second, that it is "almost a certainty that the Japanese would have capitulated upon the entry of Russia into the war."

> The Japanese leaders had decided to surrender and were merely looking for sufficient pretext to convince the die-hard Army Group that Japan had lost the war and must capitulate to the Allies. The entry of Russia into the war would almost certainly have furnished this pretext, and would have been sufficient to convince all responsible leaders that surrender was unavoidable.[4]

Marshall, Truman, and the Decision to Drop the Bomb
Author(s): Gar Alperovitz, Robert L. Messer and Barton J. Bernstein
Source: International Security, Vol. 16, No. 3 (Winter, 1991-1992), pp. 204-221
Published by: The MIT Press

The IJN knew it couldn't win a protracted war but Japan suffered from semi-feudal politics where noble families wound up splitting the administration into pieces that wouldn't work together. Tojo's army party had the most cohesion so it seized power and dictated terms to the Navy that was vehemently opposed. So much so the Navy outright refused to work with the Army.

Japan was never going to win once a weak emperor ascended the throne and couldn't exert control over his own country. It's essentially the exact problem that Europe had thirty years earlier.

Ok Utt

If it wasn't for the soviets zergrushing the Germans into oblivion none of what you listed could have been possible, don't misunderstand me, I'm glad America was the one to liberate us but you need to stop thinking the US did it all by themselves, they where on the other side of the Atlantic with enough natural resources to last centuries, of course they where going to win, also that meme about France being cowards need to end, how was the French army supposed to take on the Germans while they where still well equipped while it took fucking year to the US and Russians to grind them and starve then out of resources.

>soviets zergrushing
Germs were the ones Zergrushing

And he would've taken the rest of Europe had the rest of the allies not gotten their shit together.

> took their asian territories
US had taken Pacific Islands and Phillippines. UK Burma, Japan still held to Indonesia, Indochina, China, Manchuria, Korea and Taiwan.

A big point being missed is that Japan had already been in negotiations arbitrated by the USSR for months, trying to get a conditional peace that kept the emperors position and korea/china.
Without a major 3rd party to arbitrate, the option for a conditional surrender no longer was available, which was also a major factor in the unconditional surrender
So many anons seem to get their historical knowledge from paradox games and american highschools, pretty disgusting desu

> repealed their attempt on Australia
not him but wew user....
the japanese were retarded, but do you really think they would try some meme tier invasion of Australia after already being bogged down in other huge landmasses(british raj, china)?
They initiated minor reconnaissance with subs, and light bombing in the strategically empty north, but high command had no plans for an invasion in the medium term

>except for Nat. China, P.R.C., various Chinese Warlords, The Raj, Australia, the Kiwis, Ghurkas, and Filipino Guerrillas.

yeah, if only americans had some sort of UNION of fifty BOURGEOIS STATES fighting along a bunch of ms paint lines.

>largest front of the war that held the biggest battles ever seen in history is irrelevant t. u

>implying the Soviet Union wasn't completely centralized with the local republics having no power by the 20's.

By your logic each state in the U.S. should be considered it's own country and the U.S.A. is just an alliance between them.

I like how that little map of yours also forgets Manchuria

Kek

>if you're not a cringey naziboo that makes you a commieboo
lol fuck off /pol/