SARMS

>Not using SARMs as a part of your cycle

Sounds like you want to remain a part of humanity

Tell me more
Running mast and test currently

You guys should just take roids I did tren when I was 19(with test of course) and recovered perfectly fine, my sex drive is the same as it was pre cycle.

Sounds like you have a shitty doc if it has been eight months and he hasn't given you any thing to fix your problem

Did you keep the gains though? Also, have you taken anything since then?

you are a living meme lmao

Same here

Well I mean a guy I know of mine has

>there are magic drugs that give you results without side effects
baka

They don't have the androgenic side effects of regular steroids, but they suppress testosterone to some degree. Not having recovered to at least a healthy level 8 months after cycle is bullshit though. Not even huge doses of regular steroids can destroy your testicles permanently in one cycle.

Maybe this guy got his blood work a week after end of cycle, and assumed it hasn't improved since then since he still *feels supressed*.

>Reads shit on the internet
>Does stupid shit
>Probably does this stupid shit because he thinks hes cool
>Runs into problems
>Blames internet forum for analyzing post war japanese pornographic imagery

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>Claims to have used a sarm and gotten fucked up
>Asked to provide proof
>Asked to provide information
>Claims to have used PCT
>Still not forthcoming with information
>Expects help

ITT: faggotry of the highest tier.

You fucking idiot. Tell us the brand and type of drug you took. Tell us the stated amount per pill, and how many you took per day. Tell us how many days/weeks you ran it. Tell us what you bought for PCT. Tell us what you bought for PCT. Tell us how you dosed and how long you ran your PCT.

Provide us information you dumb fuck.

And tell is about your gains you cuck

Well, actually, certain SARMS inhibit test production more than injecting test does. Thing is, they work better than test, much better than it from what I've read. From what I can tell test is the better choice by far, although I've never and will probably never inject suspicious substances of any kind in me.

VITAMIN AVENGER MK 2 WHEN

I took ostraine I bought from eBay panther nutrition it was. Anyway said I didn't need pct, yet right now I'm shut down and have been for weeks

LGD is the only one worthwhile SARM. Both in terms of effects vs side effects and vs price. Ostarine is too mild to be worth either the suppression or the cost.

MK-677 is a good addition to a bulk cycle. Not a SARM, an HGH secretagogue. Safe for indefinite use. Expensive though, and LGD is good on its own.

Bunk suppliers are everywhere. Prohormones and oral steroids sold as SARMs are everywhere. So you need to have PCT on hand as though you were on a steroid cycle.

>SARMs

Why not pin test?

Why would you buy a drug off ebay?

>Im a cheap bastard when it comes to drugs I knowingly want to put in my body

Find an *actual* source of *actual* PCT drugs, and do a full pct.

I prefer ostarine to lgd, because it makes my joints feel better (anecdotally). But lgd is definitely stronger.

Im currently 10 weeks into an osta cycle, just started taking some clomid (50mg eod), which has boosted my testes suze back up, and Im feeling more energetic. Progress in the gym has also improved.

At which week did they start to shrink?

Take an AI

please stop it with the sarms. did it ever seem odd to you guys that a supposedly effective product has gone basically unnoticed and virtually completely unused in bodybuilding, despite its being on the market for like 7 years now?

you know that our bodies stop making testosterone when it detects supraphysiological levels of testosterone. this is why shutdown happens when you take steroids. by what mechanism do you think your body detects supraphysiological levels of testosterone?
it's by your androgen receptors.
a drug that sensitizes your angrogen receptors, so that they'll respond to normal amounts of testosterone as though they were supraphysiological amounts will result in shutdown in precisely the same way as will steroids.

do you see how this works?

insofar as a sarm works, it will shut down your testosterone production. if it's not shutting down your testosterone production, that's because it isn't working.

It was 55 bucks for the bottle

SARMs were supposed to give pH like effects without the harsh sides and shut down. Thats how they are marketed

On it or as PTC?

So I'm doing MK 677 and lgd 4033, planning to use Red PCT for 4 weeks. Would that suffice?

No PCT will be necessary if you actually get what you're paying for. If you get a prohormone or oral steroid, you will need clomid or nolva.

Steroids shut down testosterone, plus LH and FSH which control your natural test production.

SARMs have only a small effect on LH and FSH. They have a more mild effect than steroids but can be worth it depending on your personal cost/benefit. At least outside of competitive bodybuilding.

lh and fsh are steps in the testosterone production process--sarms will shut down your lh and your fsh prodcution IF THEY ARE WORKING. the reason a sarm might have a small effect on lh and fsh is because it's only working to a small extent.
for the same effect, you could take an extremely low dose of steroids.

do you see?

Except for the fact that SARMs are selective for androgen receptors in skeletal muscle, and against the receptors in say, your prostate or pituitary. Hence why you can have an anabolically beneficial SARM cycle, but recover from the cycle quickly because your LH and FSH were not really hit. On the other hand TRT dose test, or any dose below that, doesn't do shit for gains but will still shut you down.

Also, athletes have been popped for SARMs and drugs commonly associated with them. They are effective outside of the competitive bodybuilding rabbit hole.

>On the other hand TRT dose test, or any dose below that, doesn't do shit for gains but will still shut you down
that's a good point, I'll have to think more about this.
with that said, it strikes me as extremely unlikely any sarms exist that work the way you're suggesting--it's an appealing concept, but I suspect that, with the sarms that currently exist, benefits don't ever outweight the costs when compared to low dose steroids or staying natty

I quit lifting mid cycle cause I got a gf and didn't care about my looks anymore, but they lasted a few months even without lifting, if I had maintained the gym and diet I'm sure I would have retained most of the gains.