Is the 'Fingolia' meme based on anything real?

Finns have quite a bit of Asian DNA from mixing with the sami people who come from China.

Pic unrelated? Literally nothing Mongoloid about her, just a white girl without eyebrows.

That doesn't make sense. Finns and Sami are both Uralic and Finns actually have slightly higher rates of haplogroup N1c.
Sami are more Siberian because they've been living further away from Indo-Europeans.

It isn't. Both the genetics and linguistics are thoroughly discredited. Modern genetic studies find that Finns have no more or less Asian DNA on average than other N. European populations, although they did independently develop some Asian-looking phenotypical features. The linguistics of it (the idea that the Uralic languages are related to any other Asian languages) has been discredited for even longer.

There has never been a single genetics paper which claims Finns don't have Uralo-Siberian admixture

This post is literally meaningless, because "Uralo-Siberian admixture" isn't a thing. Uralo-Siberian is a proposed language family, and, by the way, one almost any reputable linguist would laugh themselves silly at. The term has no meaning outside linguistics. There is no such thing as "Uralo-Siberian genes."

If you are trying to say that the Finns share some of their DNA with Asian populations, then yes, that is true. The origin (as far back as we can trace, anyway) of the Uralic-speaking groups was somewhere in the vicinity of the Ural mountains, possibly in Eastern Europe, possibly in Siberia, nobody knows. That means that, yes, Finns are related to groups that are generally considered "Asian" (because they ended up on the other side of the Urals). That is not the same thing as having "Asian admixture" in the sense that the Finngolia memers are talking about.

Samis got Uralicized and didn’t originally have that much N1c, their Mongoloid blood got diluted when they mixed with Finns and Mongoloid admixture in Finns stems from them (Iron Age skeletons from Northwestern Finland were 25% East Asian and had no early European farmer admixture but Finnics do, they were the ancestors of Saami). If Proto-Finnics were Mongoloid then Balts should have considerable Mongoloid admixture due to their high N1c rates, but this is not the case.

Autosomal genetic studies have a 100% confirmation rate of Finns having more Siberian DNA than virtually all other Europeans outside Russia. Finns however lack a certain component of more recent East Asian origin brought to Europe by Turkic speakers.

Balts N1c is a recent founder effect. Proto-Finnics were not Mongoloid specifically but already mixed with IE populations for thousands of years.

There's a recent paper that found a mix of R1a1 and N1c1 amongst the Iron age Sargat culture.
researchgate.net/publication/321071660_Kinship_Analysis_of_Human_Remains_from_the_Sargat_Mounds_Baraba_forest-steppe_Western_Siberia

>Proto-Finnics were not Mongoloid specifically but already mixed with IE populations for thousands of years
Exactly, Uralics were white by the time they reached the Volga and birthed proto-Finnics.
>Balts N1c is a recent founder effect
Balts should still display trace amounts of Mongoloid if your claims held any truth, but they don’t.

So let's say Lithuanians are 3% iron age Estonian and Iron Age northern Estonians were 2.5% Mongoloid(as they had not absorbed the IE population in southern Estonia yet or mixed with various peoples like Scandinavians, Germans and Slavs) as opposed to 1.5-2% like modern Estonians.

This would make Lithuanians less than 0.1% Mongoloid. Under 0.5% is noise level.

Estonians have mixed with Ingrians and other Finnic populations with Saamic admix, try again. Also Proto-Uralics had to have farmer admixture due to having mingled with Proto-Indo-Aryans, yet those Iron Age samples from Northwestern Finland had ZERO farmer admixture and over 25% East Asian. Therefore they couldn’t have been Uralic speaking.

>Autosomal genetic studies have a 100% confirmation rate of Finns having more Siberian DNA than virtually all other Europeans outside Russia.
Nobody's saying otherwise. But you're not making any sort of point, even though you seem to think you are. Finns are genetically distinct from most European populations. Sure. I just explained how and why.

When the Finngolia memers say they have "Mongoloid blood" or "Mongoloid genetics" they mean something different, although it's never entirely clear what - "Mongoloid" being a term that's increasingly obsolete and rarely-used in both forensic anthropology and genetics, and not because it's offensive, because it's imprecise. (And it's not used at all in linguistics, although sometimes they still try - e.g. "Finnish is a Mongoloid language.")

>Estonians have mixed with Ingrians and other Finnic populations with Saamic admix

Some Estonians who are from near Narva specifically

>Also Proto-Uralics had to have farmer admixture due to having mingled with Proto-Indo-Aryans

Andronovo had less farmer admix than Finns though and the ancestors of Sami also mixed with mesolithic populations without any farmer.

>yet those Iron Age samples from Northwestern Finland had ZERO farmer admixture

From what I've heard, they had a tiny bit of farmer admixture although less than modern Sami.

>Chinaman swedes

>Some Estonians who are from near Narva specifically
No, during the times of the Russian Empire many expelled Ingrians moved to Estonia and mixed with the local populace.
>Andronovo had less farmer admix than Finns though and the ancestors of Sami
Finns and Andronovo samples both have considerable farmer admixture, who has more had nothing to do with my point which was that those 25% East Asian samples had none.
>also mixed with mesolithic populations without any farmer.
So that admixture magically decreased the farmer component into nonexistence and kept the East Asian component roughly the same? :’)
>From what I've heard, they had a tiny bit of farmer admixture although less than modern Sami.
Stop talking out of your ass, retard.

>No, during the times of the Russian Empire many expelled Ingrians moved to Estonia and mixed with the local populace.

Specifically near Narva

>Finns and Andronovo samples both have considerable farmer admixture

The farmer in Finns is mostly from Proto-Balts as well as Proto-Germanics, particularly the latter as they had somewhat more of it.

>who has more had nothing to do with my point which was that those 25% East Asian samples had none.

There's a very small number(1% like in Poland) of Asian maternal lines in Finland and which are slightly more common among Sami. These could represent a pre-Uralic Arctic Siberian migration which may or may not be linked to the Bolshoy Oleny Ostrovs who were 50% East Eurasian in the PCA Lamnidis tweeted.
Keep in mind though that these people were from a geographically remote area though.

So this would allow Proto-Sami to dillute their low level farmer component without dilluting their Siberian as much.

>Stop talking out of your ass, retard.

Except I'm not

>Genome-wide data from the Iron Age provides insights into the population history of Finland.

>The population history of Finland is the subject of an ongoing debate, in particular with respect to the relationship and origins of modern Finnish and Saami people. In this study we analyse genome-wide SNP data, extracted from teeth found in the archaeological site of Levänluhta, in coastal western Finland. Artefacts from the site have been dated to the Iron Age, ranging from the 5th century to the end of 8th century AD, while the radiocarbon dating results of scattered femurs from the site span 350-730 AD. When analysed together with previously published ancient European samples and with modern European populations, these ancient individuals from Finland show a smaller proportion of the genetic component found in early Neolithic Farmers and all modern European populations today. However, we observe a closer genetic relationship with Siberian and East Asian populations than seen in modern Finnish and other Europeans, a pattern also observed in genetic data from modern Saami individuals. Our results suggest that the ancestral Saami population 1500 years ago inhabited a larger region than today, extending at least as far south as Levänluhta. Such a scenario is also supported by linguistic evidence, which suggests most of Finland having spoken Saami languages before 1000 AD. Additionally, we observe genetic differences between modern Saami and the ancient individuals from Levänluhta, which might be the result of admixture with Finnish people during the last 1500 years.

>these ancient individuals from Finland show a smaller proportion of the genetic component found in early Neolithic Farmers and all modern European populations today.

So they were 5-15% farmer.

Sample mtDNA Y-DNA
Pg1 N1a1a1a (woman)
Pg2 U5a1 R1a1
Pg3 H R1a1
Pg4 U5a1 N1c1
Pg5 C4a2c1 N1c1
Sg1 U5a1 N1c1
Sg2 H8 N1c1
Sg3 H8 N1c1

Pretty much what anyone would expect of the ancestors of Magyars. They weren't fully Siberian but had Andronovo admixture.

>Specifically near Narva
No, they spread all over Estonia.
>The farmer in Finns is mostly from Proto-Balts as well as Proto-Germanics, particularly the latter as they had somewhat more of it.
Non-I1 Finnic populations have equal amounts of farmer admixture.
>There's a very small number(1% like in Poland) of Asian maternal lines in Finland and which are slightly more common among Sami. These could represent a pre-Uralic Arctic Siberian migration
So you admit that some of the Siberian in Saami is not from Uralics, that’s progress.
>So this would allow Proto-Sami to dillute their low level farmer component without dilluting their Siberian as much.
You have no proof that the original European Uralics and Finnics had low farmer admixture, what we do know though is that they mixed with Indo-Aryans who had it considerably.
>So they were 5-15% farmer.
No they weren’t, and even if they were you have no proof that the Siberian admix stems from Proto-Finnics rather than from some partly Indo-Europeanized Siberian tribal clade that remained isolated prior to contact with Finnic people (as the dilution of the Asiatic component with the arrival of Finnics suggests).
Modern Hungarians have nothing to do with those people, the conqueror Hungarians probably were assimilated Turkic tribes mostly (who themselves were assimilated Scythians).

>So you admit that some of the Siberian in Saami is not from Uralics, that’s progress.

I've never denied that possibility myself. It could be I'm entirely wrong and the BOO were ancient N carrying Uralics though instead of the haplogroup Q carrying half Eskimo, half EHG I think they were. We'll see.

>You have no proof that the original European Uralics

The what?

>Finnics had low farmer admixture, what we do know though is that they mixed with Indo-Aryans who had it considerably.

We don't however in any way know that Proto-Finno-Ugrics had considerable Indo-Aryan admixture. It could have been fairly minor like 25% which would equal 6% farmer.

>No they weren’t

Lamnidis et al detected farmer in Leväluhta samples, just less than in modern Sami. This is not up for debate.

>a smaller proportion of the genetic component found in early Neolithic Farmers and all modern European populations today.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Swede
Huh

>The what
The post-IE contact Uralics that spread from the Volga.
>We don't however in any way know that Proto-Finno-Ugrics had considerable Indo-Aryan admixture. It could have been fairly minor like 25% which would equal 6% farmer.
But we don’t. Also the Siberian component in Finns would be more akin to East Siberians such as Yakuts if it truly stemmed from those times, afaik it’s closest to West Siberians who predate Uralic expansion by some time. Also the people with the most of that West Sibirid component have mostly N1b, whereas East Sibirid Yakuts and Finns have mainly N1c.
>This is not up for debate.
Read the rest of my post.

>The post-IE contact Uralics that spread from the Volga.

So you're talking about Finnic people

As for Yakuts and West Siberian Samoyeds, they aren't really that different. Samoyeds migrated westward from north of the Altai in the last few thousand years while Yakuts are new arrivals to East Siberia from around Mongolia.

>Pic unrelated? Literally nothing Mongoloid about her, just a white girl without eyebrows.

You can't notice the Epicanthic folds? Bitch got Asian eyes and European features.

t.american ""white""

She has eyebrows (just pale af) but looks more asian than "normal" euros

It was actually China Swede.

Turkish sounds like a east Asian language. So does Finnish.

If they look Asian and sound Asian...

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Swede

>The fact that Finns are racially Eurasian meant that they would be covered by the Asian Exclusion Act.
>See also - Yellow Peril

>itt people literally pretending not to notice the Asiatic featured present on some Finns

This isn't /pol/ lads, we don't care. WE WUZ GERMANICS

ITT: Hwan propaganda

This
Arabic or Telugu didn't sound East Asian, but Turkish and finish do

Finns are paternaly chink
t. finngolian

The Eskimo types came to Finland from East Asia with their reindeer herding and met IE.

Their Eskimo type Turkish cousins stayed in East Asia, and IE reached them and yt genocide was borne

>they aren't really that different
Different enough to be clearly told apart, common sense tells that the Proto-Uralic population wouldn’t have been like the N1b West Sibirids but more like the N1c East Sibirids.

Umm sweety, the oldest hg N comes from Europe ;)

Niggas don't know about the finno-korean hyperwar

Yes, but not actually Mongolia.

Northern Finland native people are not white Europeans, they're more akin to what you'd probably consider Eskimo's or Inuits (theyre not actually those), many Finns are mixed with these people, often given them a distinct Eurasian look, hence the Fingolian meme.

Due to lack of samples outside of Europe

Wrong. That was basal *NO, not N. The oldest N proper from Europe is from Metal Ages.

Overall proto-finns were Seima-Turbino subhumans who genocided native Corded Nordics.

stop posting you clueless fucking idiot

oulu.fi/sites/default/files/content/CIFU12-PlenaryPapers.pdf

page 63

Lol. The author literally wrote "Seima-Turbino artifacts appeared in Finland around 1500 BC, but it doesn't mean Finnics came there that late because muh culture =/= language!11111". Finnic delusionalism at it's best.

>genocided

Yet Finns have more IE ancestry than 90% of Europeans.

The ancestors of North American aboriginals crossed the Bering Land Bridge (Russia to Alaska) several thousands of years ago

Manmoths?

"normal euros" look like shitskins and I'm not talking about the immigrants. Native French person is hardly white.

They killed them treachrously, according to POLSKASTRONKA.pl, Nordid men had traces of poison on their bodies. Furthermore, it is obvious they poisoned them, since the NORDID UBERMENSCH would never lose in a fight to the m*******d UNTERMENSCH.

After poisining the Nordid Men, the perfidious Finngolians abducted the pure and naive IE Nordid maidens, and the rest is history.

>Belmondo
>Native French

Sure

Not really, an immigrant with a race crisis started to force it on Ylilauta circa 2014.

But the Samoyed(with the exception of the Selkup language shifters) is not a West Sibirid but a Central Sibirid.
True West Siberians(Ugrics, Selkup, Ket, latter of two being haplogroup Q) have extremely high rates of Ancient North Eurasian DNA in them while Nganasan Samoyeds and Yakuts have less.

Just so you know, this guy isn't a Polish nationalist. He's an anti-polish pangermanistic cuck. Pic related, his latest bits.

>He's an anti-polish pangermanistic cuck
That explains a lot

No, Central Sibirids such as Selkups and Kets are Q, East Sibirids are N1c and West Sibirids are N1b. The Proto-Uralic population had to be more akin to East Sibirids.

Selkups and Kets are genetically more indigenous as they have Q and more ANE. Samoyeds with N1b are later arrivals from Central Siberia who were mostly confined to the Arctic. The Mator Samoyeds never left their homeland and lived at the Sayan mountains until the end.
Ugrics don't have much Q(mostly N1c/N1b) but their maternal lines include lots of U4 which was originally paired with Q in the ANE people.

Yakuts are not indigenous to Eastern Siberia but conquerors from the vicinity of Mongolia which is why they have N1c.

>The ancestors of Yakuts were Kurykans who migrated from Yenisey river to Lake Baikal and were subject to a certain Mongolian admixture prior to migration [8][9][10] in the 7th century. The Yakuts originally lived around Olkhon and the region of Lake Baikal. Beginning in the 13th century they migrated to the basins of the Middle Lena, the Aldan and Vilyuy rivers under the pressure of the rising Mongols.

Not that N1c is from Mongolia/Baikal specifically but more like the Baraba steppe where it was also detected in the Sargat.
It went both east and west from there(Seima-Turbino).

Whether they’re indigenous to East Siberia or not doesn’t matter, point is that they hail from the same area as Proto-Uralics did and probably are the closest match to them genetically if we discard the Mongol admixture. Also I don’t think that N1b was found in Proto-Uralics, I suspect they picked it up when N1c invaders mixed with the ancestors of Nganasans and Saamis.

>if we discard the Mongol admixture.

Sure if we discard their East Siberian and Baikal/Turco-Mongol admixture they should approximate Proto-Uralics from Baraba much better.

>Also I don’t think that N1b was found in Proto-Uralics, I suspect they picked it up when N1c invaders mixed with the ancestors of Nganasans and Saamis.

Perhaps for the Nganasan this was the case but on the other hand an ethnolinguistic group can carry more than one haplogroup.

You can believe that the BOO had N1b if you want but Q is the more likely option in my view as Finns/Veps N1b(not found in Sami) has a TMRCA with Permics at 900 BC and appears rooted in Perm based on the available samples. 900 BC is some thousand years after BOO arrival to Europe. Veps(source of Finnish N1b) most likely are some mixture of Baltic Finns and a proto-Permic population which had lower Siberian admixture than modern Permics who've been in contact with Ugrics and such.

yfull.com/tree/N-Y3185/

No.
T. Finn

Having followed this conversation intently for the last 24 hours, I can say that I have never seen a battle this fierce over fucking memes