French identity

Pretty much this French aren't told French's history but """"History"""".

Antiquity is about Romans, Egyptians, Greeks, Hebrews.
Middle Age is about, the Arabs, the Crusades(muh white colonialism), AFRICAN """"CIVILIZATIONS"""", and Medieval Europe(muh horrible feudalism, muh christianity is evil).
Renaissance is about the Ottomans and the New World(muh white colonialism), and the Slave Trade(muh white colonialism).
Modern History is about how "glorious" was the (((French Revolution))), WW1, WW2, Cold War; the main topic is the HOLOCAUST.
If i was in charge, it would :

IE Homeland > Pannonia > Celtic Expansion > History of the Celtic tribe of the Early French(new name for the so called Franks) and their wars with Romans > Settlement in Gaul > Merovingians > Carolingians > Rise of the Capetians > French conquest of England & Sicily > French Crusades > 100 Years War > Italian Wars > 30 Years War(French side) > Religious War(French side) > Revolutionary Wars > Imperial Wars(i don't like the term Napleonic) > WW1(French side) > WW2(French side)

Some off topics would be French expansion into America, and famous French heroes.

genetics: Gallic
culture: Roman
politics: Frank

>It's user tries to fix curriculum by replacing it all with retarded irrevelant wars episode

>We are taught that we can't identify with gauls because of the addition of roman and german peoples, and because now the French includes non europeans too.
This is so fucking stupid, the linguistic, cultural and physiological difference between Germanics and Gauls are nothing like a sub-saharan African from across the planet

I'm literally turning an acentric history into an ethnocentric one, and learning about niggers' sand castles isn't studying history.

>Implying any of your distant ancestors gave a single shit about you or your race and ethnicity
>Implying wars are history
>Implying people studying war shouldn't get shipped off to KL Auschwitz for being drooling brainlets
>Implying Europeans aren't extremely mixed already

Politic: Roman.
Our law system come from the Romans, our organisation and structure of the political domain is roman.

We are Germans only by name.

Africa

This. Most French came from Algeria.

"Ottoman history "
Damn really? I learned jackshit about anything but European history of course some antiquity in my schools, esp. in high school. I feel like my history teacher was a white supremacist though. She hates the middle ages because "whites weren't doing as well as other peoples" like China or Middle east.
of course she's pretty much a pleb considering it was only the early middle age where things,went to complete shit for whites. StI'll it was fucked up.
World history class was basically "Non American white history class." I wish we could have learned about the caliphate or East Asian at least.

French people don't exists, there's Peoples speaking or knowing a common language in a political entity.
A breton, a basque, an alsatian, a corsican or a flemish have nothing in common.

>A breton, a basque, an alsatian, a corsican or a flemish have nothing in common.
99% of them are exactly the same. To begin with half of the population in these regions come from elsewhere, Frenchmen are very mobile because of choice of studies, job opportunities and massive public employment. Then they all share the same environment, social, cultural, judicial etc... life in Brest is the exact same as in Strasbourg. Traditionalists are a rarity, you'll have a hard time to find what you call a "Breton", an "Alsacien", a "Catalan" or whatever, it's just a label.

>IE Homeland > Pannonia > Celtic Expansion > History of the Celtic tribe of the Early French(new name for the so called Franks) and their wars with Romans > Settlement in Gaul > Merovingians > Carolingians > Rise of the Capetians > French conquest of England & Sicily > French Crusades > 100 Years War > Italian Wars > 30 Years War(French side) > Religious War(French side) > Revolutionary Wars > Imperial Wars(i don't like the term Napleonic) > WW1(French side) > WW2(French side)
>Some off topics would be French expansion into America, and famous French heroes.

Mein muttfucking brother
THIS is how you teach the history of your pypo

the main engine of history is war you retard

thinking otherwise means you should kys

>be France
>proud of resisiting global culture
>literally have no identity
>end up being the most globalized country of them all

I kind of pity them

Same in England. People consider it an amazing clapworthy thing to say "we are all from Africa anyway" or "we were always a nation of immigrants".

The absolute state of my country.

>Brest is the exact same as in Strasbourg. Traditionalists are a rarity, you'll have a hard time to find what you call a "Breton", an "Alsacien", a "Catalan" or whatever, it's just a label.

You're a moron if you really think there's no major difference between Brest,Strassburg,Nice,Perpignan and Lille.
They could be cities from different countries if it weren't for the language.

Maybe in your video games, nigger

You're not French obviously, and tu racontes n'importe quoi.

The fuck? Where are you from?

I'm French you idiots and I've traveled extensively in France, meaning I know more than just my region (I met many people who never went outside their region and think that everywhere isn the same..)
Put a Breton in Corsica or a Basque in Staßburg and see if they don't see any difference.
Someone from the Vendée going north of the Loire river will realise how big a natural border it was, so big in fact that the architecture is totally different depending on the side of the river you are.
I'm from Normandy and grew up in a timber frame house drinking cider, eating everything with cream and butter and speaking norman while someone from the south will live in a very different climate,will grew up in a house and a city with a very different architecture, will speak French with an accent or his own dialect, will eat and drink different stuff and will even behave differently, we'll have different mindsets. And I'm not even from a region with strong traditions or its own language.
People won't realise how different the regions of France are until they move around and speak to the people. If Jacobinism was a big thing in France it's because the French language is the only common denominator of the various people living there.

>Staßburg
J'ai ri. You're a special kind of snowflake man.
I picked Brest and Strasbourg in my comment because I lived in these regions, and except the names of the towns there's absolutely no difference between them, even the 1905 special religious shits are completely invisible.
I also lived in Somme, Hérault, Puy de Dôme and I'm currently living in Haute Vienne, and guess what it's always the same, people work , consume and pay their taxes in the same way. No one has a "dialect" ffs, you must have met the 1% of activists in the deep trou du cul, there are accents at best.
The only difference I noted is the food, I must admit it has not been killed, and it may be the last bastion of regional culture.

exactly that
they are much like turks in that regard

Your idea would make students care more about history than the "collective guilty camp" you apparently have right now.

Learning about the people who lived in France is more interesting than what he has mentioned in his post.
Except for not including more about the Romans and Greeks.

french here, what are you on stupid, that's not what's taught
You utter retard

t. retards

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ethnogenesis

oy vey, that's problematic hate speech!

Another french guy agreeing with this one, I think the others don't see the cultural diversity in the regions of France because they only hung out in cities, with the same cosmopolitan groups you would expect to find everywhere.
I assure all non-french here that there is a deep cultural divide for someone from Lille, say, and someone from Nantes.

>People work, consume and pay their taxes in the same way

Of course they would, why would they have different systems for that ? We're talking mentality, here. Culture. Go inside a bookshop and look at what they're peddling, there's always a row of books about the specifities of the region, and not the ones meant for tourists

If you've never heard people speak differently, and you went to Lille, I can safely assume "Lille" for you the Place du Général de Gaulle, Mertz and la Rue de la Soif. You pleb. I despise you, and everything you represent.

I'm and yes it is

I was educated in France too, in fact, i went to both Public and Catholic schools

Look at this program and find a part about French history

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>I'm from Normandy and grew up in a timber frame house drinking cider, eating everything with cream and butter and speaking norman.

Lol ok. There's big differences between cities and rural areas. People in the south are obviously different but really you're overstating the differences. I'm from a shitty little village outside Canne on a mountain. I've lived in Lyon and now live in Paris. The vast majority of French people are more similar than different. If you're going to pick some rural Basque or someone from Savoie then yeah you'll find differences in culture.
>Dialects
Fuck off dude.

But "nos ancêtres les gaulois" was never used, it's a myth fabricated by 68-tards

6ème
Guess you cut out primary school where we learn about our kings
" Aux débuts du Moyen-Âge " So the 6ème program stops as an introduction to what preceded the French nation. I get why they'd do this, it's what makes the most sense, they can't begin with Childéric

IE Homeland > Pannonia > Celtic Expansion > History of the Celtic tribe of the Early French(new name for the so called Franks) and their wars with Romans > Settlement in Gaul > Merovingians > Carolingians > Rise of the Capetians > French conquest of England & Sicily > French Crusades > 100 Years War > Italian Wars > 30 Years War(French side) > Religious War(French side) > Revolutionary Wars > Imperial Wars(i don't like the term Napleonic) > WW1(French side) > WW2(French side)

This is as stupid as american education. They know nothing about the world, only the relation the US has with other countries. There are other civilizations out there, you're focusing everything on France and french territory basically.

I don' think that guy's overstating the differences, he presents his case, and argues that in France there is cultural diversity, not everyone is a parisian clone. You say "people in the south are obviously different", but it's the case everywhere, people in the north are marked by the coal industry, people in brittany by cultural differences.
I think most people who have this idea that France is homogeneous tend to live in cities, with the same group of people, and have a real disconnection from other subtrates of public life.

Aside from this one two hour-long film on the Holocaust, French are forced to learn thoroughly how the kikes suffered and how their ancestors sold them to the Germans.

It's how normal countries work, the fact that French history lessons are not ethnocentric is another sign of degeneration

>If you've never heard people speak differently
Never. Not even in the deep of the Trégor. The only people who speak differently are foreigners (many British in Brittany). You're either a liar or a delusional.

I'm not talking dialects, everything is not as black or white as you would think.
Simply hearing people, a frenchmen in his forties, if he's been around, can say from which region they're from. Have you never been stopped by a new friend you jsut made who said " Whoah, are you from X region ? "

Yeah, you're right, I guess the rise of syndicalism in France is totally propaganda and not of historical interest.

"Anyway, who's this cuck Jaurès ?"
t. you

>"This is not chronogically ordered"
Of course, it's thematic. Do you need a linear study of history to understand it ?

If it was centered only on France, would you say it's "nationalist propaganda" ?

Ahahahahahah

Yes of course. But these are accents, nothing like brezhoneg or euskara wich are fucking rare. My first love was vendéenne, she had a strange accent to me and she hated everything north of the Loire. I know many particularisms, it doesn't mean they are living cultures.

>Socialism et Mouvement Ouvrier
>Not about WE WUZ THE PEOPLE'S LIBERATORS
>Not about muh evil demagogic Nat-Socs

Face it

The entire program is about White Guilt, Muh Nazism, some WEWUZING to satisfy the increasing number of Black Kangz, and that's it

That is because regional identities have been destroyed by the state, user. Bretons are no longer a thing because their language was forbidden and education taught them they were french an nothing else.
And that's all good. Regional identities are useless, just as useless as modern "islamic" identities some of our muslims are obsessed with.

>literally have no identity
>end up being the most globalized country of them all
Where do you get that from ?

>that pic
Browsing /pol/ much, are we ?

Celtic gauls were first romanised then germified.

A significant amount of French genetic admixture comes from the Neolithic Europeans, there are many structures left behind by them, it would be foolish to ignore this part of history.

France really is the most globalized country on earth. In some ways they're more down the road than the United States.

In 2008 it was estimated that 5 million people in France are foreign born, and another 6 million are descendants i.e. second generation. So about 19% of France's population are from immigrant backgrounds. 1 in 5 french people.

And it's estimated that about 40% of France's population descends from different waves of migration since the early 20th century.

This means that probably about 50% of France is actually ethnically french. And these stats are already out of date.

France is definitely one of the most globalized societies.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France#Demographics

>Regional identities are useless
It would not be a problem if you give them a special status that no immigrants can have, like for example ethnographic regions that we have here in Lithuania.

>Regional cultures are useless
And that is how the ball starts rolling, next thing you hear is that national cultures are useless and you need to turn into a quasi Marxist neo-Africa.

Oh wait, you already are.

>ethnically french
No such thing. As you said yourself, there were so many waves of immigrations that it makes no sense to talk about ethnical french people. What defines the french people is the tongue and values shared amongst them.

Doing that would exactly be against the purpose of talking that identity away from them: limit risks of revolts and secession by assimilating everyone into the same group. Looking at those russians in Lithuania.

Regional culture was destroyed in favor of the national culture, you retard. French values since the revolution have always had the purpose, or at least the claime, to be universal. Therefore french values should be exported, and not the opposite.

>quasi Marxist neo-Africa
Silly /pol/ meme

And now your national culture is being destroyed in favour of world culture. I was in France last week, I thought Holland was bad but jesus fucking christ is France fucked.

Also, I hope the French Flemish secede your faggot croissant country.

>What defines the french people is the tongue and values shared amongst them.

France is also an extremely divided society, more so than other western european countries.

It's ironic they've gone to all this effort, and have still ended up being an extremely segregated country.

>Looking at those russians in Lithuania.
You can't really compare Russians in Lithuania (they are also fairly tiny minority, we are not Latvia or Estonia), to Samogitians, Aukštaitians or Sudovians as these are HISTORICAL SUB ethnolinguistic groups.

I've lived all my life in rural areas near Paris, Marseille, Nantes and Burgundy.
People in those area wer emostly the same, except the accents, the vocabulary and what they eat and drink.
They're no more differences than between parisiens and lyonnais

Lol sounds like you were hanging out near gar du Nord in Paris.

I was on a road trip from Perpignan to Lille. The difference was that Paris was extreme but it is still extremely worrisome demographic wise in the other places.

You can thank colonialism, french would cross the sea and pork native or slave women and then bring their free mulatto children back home with them

If by luck you can read french, then everything you want to know about how french considered themselves throughout history is in this book.

Basically gauls weren't even considered (since they were romanized) until the 3rd Republic. It used them to create mythical common ancestors.
Before that the controversies were mostly about who had the most influence : romans or franks.

The Revolution and the different Republics referred more to the romans, whereas the monarchy was more undecided.

Today most people consider they're a mixing of the 3, or just don't care at all.

Our civic nationalism has nothing to do with what you said though, wh*Te subhuman boy. and rarely anyone cares about ethnicity here, only autistic wh*Tes do and they get SHREK'T by me in a serious genetic discussion.

I fear the common man in the street still identifies more with the Gauls than with the Romans, especially the FN. Plus none of the political parties want to affiliate themselves with the vile imperialist Romans, so it's either the melting pot of mediterranean cultures route or the gaulish route, but rarely the Roman route.

Northern french are celtic-germanic, so a mix of gauls and franks, southern french (occitan) are a celtic-med mix, historically there was a lot of roman influence in this area

And lets be honest, Asterix didn't help.

Translation:
Theme one: Society and their past
Memory: Historical lesson: Exemple: History and memory of WW2 in france, History and memory of the algerian war

Theme two: Ideology in Europe since 18s century
Socialism and worker movment: Exemple: Socialism, comunism and syndicalism in germany

Theme3: power and tension in the worl since ww1
Way of power: Exemple USA: 14 point of Wilson/ China and the world since 1949
Place of conflict: Middle-est a place of clusterfuck since ww1

Theme3: Goverment since ww2
Nation state level: French state history since 1946: Evolution and legacy
Continental level: European union since 1948
World level: World governance since ww2

So it's all about the XX century and how the world is a clusterfuck, the two main conflict of france (WW2 and algery)

Fuck forget about the second part of theme two:
Media and opinion: Media and opinion in the great politacal crisis since the Dreyfus affair.

Well French are gallo-romans mixed with franks.
The gallic part is not relevant today except for the "your ancestors were gauls" that became popular after the 1870 defeat when France wanted to link it to Alesia and minimize the impact of a defeat for a country.
Culturally and legally we inherited a lot from the romans.

If I had to choose as a French man I would put romans first without forgetting about the two other third but gauls last.

Globally I experienced a lack of interest on this topic in frenchmen. The only guys that were oversensitive about that were the good old friends of Jean-Marie that threw Philippot out some months ago.

Everything in France that has been associated with the FN is now considered heretical, so I don't really think people will tend to answer gauls or even just europeans catholics. They would most likely either say something idiotic or say nothing because they just don't know much anymore about their own history (I've encountered "educated" people that were sincerely convinced that Napoleon was Hitler and didn't ever heard of guys like Philip IV).

This is from wikipedia:
>The five main haplogroups are R1 (63.41%), E (11.41%) (traced mostly in the Paris area), I (8.88%), J (7.97%) and G (5.16%)
Is E and J immigrants?

>Is E and J immigrants?
Yes they are

Ramos-Luis' study used immigrants, furthermore, their study didn't precise to which subclades of E they belonged, most likely because there were afraid that people realize that these """"""""""French"""""""""" carried E1a.

Another proof are the results obtained in Toulouse by Ramos-Luis' study and Balaresque's study, Ramos-Luis showed that Toulouse was 60% R1b 10% J 10% E, while Balaresque showed that Toulouse was 80% R1b. Another study about North Americans of French descent showed that they were 80% R1b too.

As a quick reminder, Neolithic France was I2 and G2a, while Bronze-Age France was R1b + some remaining I2 and G2a. An E-related migration never happened in France, aside from the Greeks whose territory was limited to the French riviera near the Italian border(Nice, Marseille)

So France is getting mutted as we speak, that's sad desu.

If you are all French, why are you discussing in English?

Because it's the Veeky Forums rule and it's better for non french user to understand what hapening.

my family is from Occitania, in the Rhone-Alps region of Southern France, which in general has been screwed by the Parisian regime since medieval times. They, like Corsica are unjustly forced under a foreign culture, so I sort of take offense to someone claiming Napoleon was or acted "French" in any way. He put the French in their place and taught them about true equality regardless of culture, religion, or birthright; not the empty egalitarianism that the French obsess over to this day..

Are there any movements for revival/popularization of local language?

You should have your eyes gouged out and tongue cut, son of a bitch

This

Fr*nch force niggers and sandniggers on us and try to destroy our culture.

And they forced the same populations on paris to destroy their own culture?

Fuck off Gianluca Belangelo, proud "occitan" french family for 2 generations.

All dirty Occitans, Bretons, Corsicans, etc, should be raped

Muhmmad El Ghazi al Burgundiniyon*

>And they forced the same populations on paris to destroy their own culture?
Yes but they still don't realise it, they genuinely think it's an enrichment, no joke. Parisians have the mental ability of a zombie, their life is too saturated, they can't reflect properly anymore.

definitely not that middle one

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

French here. Definitely Gauls.

In parts of Britain haplogroup E1b reaches 5-6%, though it's nearer zero in others
That is based on native populations and is assumed to be a legacy of Roman-era migration from the Balkans and Greece (and the highest numbers are in Cumbria, an area not as thoroughly Romanised as the South-East)
Is it really such an extreme estimate that parts of France could show E at 11%?

Because Paris is the Borg who attempt to assimilate all peoples they come into contact with.

>Is it really such an extreme estimate that parts of France could show E at 11%?
Yes it is

I'm not claiming that Ethnic French do not have E, they have E-V13(1-5%) like other Europeans, but 20¨% E, and furthermore in Northern France, is complete BS.