Picking up women

Hey Veeky Forums, please tell me the truth of attraction.

What role does "game" play? Most of the opinions I've heard is that the only factors are looks and/or money. Do you honestly believe that charisma and persuasion play zero roles?

Can a man make "social gains" with the same discipline and practice as systematically creating physical gains?

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>what role does game play
Proper game inner game, huge. Proper outer game, substantial.
>money and looks matter
Partially, but not enough to ruin you.
>can a man make social gains
Yes
>with systematic practice
Yes

"Game" means different things to different people but it's basically the process of "getting laid"

No girl/woman with a three-digit IQ falls for 'game', ever. They might put up with it if you're good looking to them and they're attracted, but they know it's bullshit and might think there's something Real about you underneath all that and they think it's worth the time to see what it is. Any female that falls for your 'game' is going to be dumb, REALLY dumb, and she'll only be good for cheap-ass sex, and she probaby won't be any good at it. Dumb women are boring; you bust a nut in them, then there's nothing to talk about because they're dumb. They're no fun to be out with because they're dumb and boring. Anyway I'm getting off the point. 'Game' is a waste of time usually. Spend more time developing what's Real about you and never mind the 'game' crap. Then you attract someone who is worth the time to know. Unless all you want is cheap sex, in which case why bother with 'game' at all, just pay a whore and get it over with, no fuss no muss don't even have to feed them dinner first.

'Game' is what people do when they lack personality and genuine social skills.

Or you can just join me in the total fucking loser club.

Wow this answered every question quite effectively... so you would argue outer game (what is actually said) out weighs looks and money?

just download tinder and be nice you fucking dumbass. It's literally so easy to get laid in 2016.

No it's the skill of getting women. It's different than social skills

Game is more or less a set of techniques that turbo autists use when talking to women to cover up their bottomless neediness and eternal quest for validation.

You heard it here first.

There's some logic here.

Wouldn't improving "game" be naturally improving oneself though? Your approach suggests that looks/money are the true attraction vectors. Game also doesn't automatically mean memorized lines, it can often mean adopting a generalized mindset. This is a situation where "being yourself" is not enough. Obviously if it was, you wouldn't have to change to begin with.

I agree with your stance on dumb sluts. One busted nut, then an empty void feeling.

But does it work?

None. The second I realise you think getting me to sleep with you is some formulaic bullshit, I'm fucking insulted and will never talk to you again. Talk to me like a normal human being without trying to save a wallet in my face like it's that simple and I might jump on your dick. Fucking PUAs. Women aren't vending machines.

Some truth right here. It makes me so mad that these guys insult my intelligence as if I can't see what they're pulling a mile away. I hate having to be mean to guys because I've been rejected myself but if you pull that shit you're making it very hard for me to be sympathetic or gentle when you're not even genuine and basically saying you're only talking to me because you think I'm a stupid sperm receptacle.

not that guy but fuck yea. A rich guy who can't talk to women for shit is not going to get as many girls as a guy who can effectively speak to girls.

>No girl/woman with a three-digit IQ falls for 'game', ever.
lol that's what you think, I first started running my own game in grad school on PhD engineering ladies. it's easy as shit, especially when your typical competition against other three-digit IQ men is non-existent

game = applied charisma that is YOURS used to influence your surroundings, it's not about memorizing lines that someone puts on a website. game also goes beyond women too, you game your boss and peers all the time

Yeah you wouldn't need it if you 'naturally' had it your whole life. A pretty good founding stone to learn if you don't though.

If I'm gonna be in the loser club I wouldn't mind some pussy with me

Stop looking at it as a game. Just show some confidence and general interest in the women you're after.
Oh and you have to actually approach and ask them out, I think that's where most of Veeky Forums falls down.

It'll set you apart from all those losers out there trying to get 'game'

Lol so "game" and money both don't affect you?

Some serious hamster wheel spinning in this post. Whether you wanna believe it or not, every dude that flirts with you is inherently 'gaming' you. Like someone else mentioned, 'game' isn't fucking memorized lines exclusively...

They weren't mocking your IQ, they were just shit. The guy who took you home and filled your mouth with cum was mocking your IQ

I agree with this game is building your persona to persuade everyone around you

This includes sluts and career prospects both

if you want to pick up women just grab them by the hips, brace and lift them up, it's not hard

Having game isnt about being insincere and lying about who you are, having game is about displaying YOUR best traits to a girl in the best possible way

Yeah the PUA bullshit is pure bullshit so i have no idea how that works but every guy must have game in order to get the girl because if he doesnt she just simply wont notice him

>Reddit tier humor

>be me
>my so acts weirdly, like she dont like me anymore
>ask her if she feels anything for me
>"why, no"
>mfw
>do sexy musclepics in my snapchat story
>she writes me "mine"
>feelsgoodman.jpeg

>To attract the one, you must first learn to attract a thousand

This is my philosophy. PUA stuff is bullshit, but you definitely have to modify your behavior if you haven't been making it work as is. Make efforts till you find what works.

She's incredibly shallow, get her out of your life immediately.

She felt threatened that you'd find someone else after you showed value (ab pic)

Women are masters of "push/pull" and she's fucking with you hard

Kick that bitch to the curb, pronto
If she feels nothing for you she can do that shit from outside

> putting this much energy into women

They are the best/hardest things in life

>alphas are effortlessly fucking 9/10 sluts in an alley right now
>were spending huge amounts of time trying to decipher the elements which allow them to do this

We had a thread on this the other day. The takeaway points were:

>You CANNOT negotiate desire. If you have to explain to a girl why she should be attracted to you, her vagina will dry up like a raisin in the Sahara desert. She will resent you if she feels that she has to reciprocate your efforts with sex. Women are NOT aroused by men making sacrifices for them.

>You develop oneitis because you become fixated on one girl and adopt a scarcity mentality. This reveals itself in subtle (and often not so subtle) behaviors in your interactions with her, which more often than not drive her away. Keep your options open.

>Sex should ideally be preceded by ambient anxiety or discomfort of some kind. If you are regularly scheduling a "sexy night in" weeks in advance and commemorating the occasion with candles, scented oil and an Enya CD YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG

>Women care more about WHAT you are than WHO you are. There are millionaire CEO chumps who have to sponsor girls for sex and who come home every night to bored, frigid wives, and chad slayers on minium wage living on someone's sofa.

>Attractive and arousing do not always overlap. Sure, your nice BMW, Master's degree and 401k will make a woman consider you as a long term mate (ergo, attractive). But none of those things will keep her up at night thinking about you the way she thinks about Mr Exciting.

>Men and women love on completely different terms. Men fall in love for its own sake, women love opportunistically. Swallow this bitter pill while you can and save yourself a lifetime of heartbreak and misery further down the road.

>Familiarity and comfort are anathema to arousal. Women will cry a river about wanting Mr Dependable then go off to fuck Mr Exciting. Women need their imaginations stoked. Keep her on her toes and be unpredictable

CONT

>Women want you to be dominant with them but will resent you if you need this spelled out for you.

>Peacocking has been given a bad rep by so-called pick up artists, but it works. The trick is to remember that a little goes a long way. Lifting is a form of peacocking

>You have to create the impression that you are desired by the opposite sex and have options. Nothing will fill your girlfriend or wife with as much simultaneous dread and desire as you being desirable to other women and knowing it.

>Like does not necessarily attract like. Common interests can get your foot in the door, but if she suspects you are tailoring your interests to better meet hers, she will be turned off instantly.

>There is no "one". It's a social engineering meme that the people at the top want you to buy into. The only woman that most men will ever receive unconditional love from is their mother, and a lot of us don't even get that.

>Do not mistake shit tests for female arrogance. It's their way of seeing how you cope under pressure and proving your mettle.

>Women never, ever want full disclosure from a man. By laying all your cards on the table, you kill off the aura or mystery that endeared you to her. You must be a neverending puzzle that she would happily spend a lifetime trying to solve.

I mean, man wasn't meant to fly but we murdered and dissected enough birds to figure it out. We're just applying that principle to chads.

FVCKING SAVED

You're doing gods work user

Something I'd add to that:
>The Jerry Maguire "you complete me" attitude is horse shit. If you don't feel complete as a man, no woman will ever change that. You shouldn't NEED a woman; you should only ever WANT one.
>Similarly, women are not the end goal in life. They're more like a fun side-quest. Focus on your goals in life and how you want to achieve them. Women will follow.

if tinder has taught me anything game doesnt mean shit. i dont even post body, broke every rule as far as just posting a fucking selfie.
Legit my profile reads "i like to lift weights, i like music, i like work and i like going to school" EVERY match i start with "hey" let them do the work. My match quality isnt great but its really shocking... Get a lot of hehe you make me want to go to the gym more... And all they see is my face.... i just make up stuff about what im doing that week or what my job/income is (because they all fucking ask in a obvious way thats kinda disheartening) i also make a LOT of rape and murder jokes which i would think would scare them away, it totally does.. But not enough to keep them from meeting me in secluded locations.. idk a lot of randos just stare at my face, i think game helps but only if you fall under average or above average in the looks depot

Veeky Forums, it's time to go dissect some Chads.

truth right here
game is for getting laid on tinder/in the club with some dumb hoes

If you go in playing the money game, every girl past the age of 8 will play you up to your limit.
>Oh, you're so powerful with your wealth, daddy! Let's go for a meal. Let's go to a casino. Let's go shopping. Let's stay in that hotel. No, not that hotel, this hotel! Oh what's that? It's out of your price range? Well, okay then, I guess you're not the man I thought you were....

If you go in playing some dumb social engineering game, with "negging" and that shit, then every girl past the age of 17 will recognise what you are doing and play you back.
>Oh! You're ignoring me but I like you the most! You have won me over with your standoffish approach. Say, why don't you buy us drinks and we can chill for a bit?......oh hey user, sorry yes I am getting off with your wingman now - we really hit it off while you were at the bar buying me this drink. Thanks, by the way.

If you own your shit and understand that you do not WANT 100% of women to want you, then that is all you will ever need. Because if you can demonstrate that you can handle being turned down and you don't lose your shit, then your stock just rose 10000 times with all the other women. Because you are then seen as easy to deal with, stable, vastly more intelligent, and fun. Also, there probably is always one girl who is interested, and she is going to try and swoop right in if she thinks you are feeling rejected.

So yeah, one of the most successful ways of picking up women: get rejected first.

I'm new to dating and just want to add that you have to make the date 2-sided. Last night I completely got friendzoned off a date because I made it seem like I was totally into her from the getgo, you can't make yourself too easy or you get played out. Make her have to earn you. As to how, I'm still trying to figure that out.

Strike up conversation with another woman. Make yourself appear interesting to others as well as yourself.

>No girl/woman with a three-digit IQ falls for 'game', ever.

This, OP. Unless you are satisfied with 5/10 bar sluts, go ahead and become a """"pick up artist"""". But the time you will spend on memorising cheesy lines might as well be spent on improving yourself as a person. You could literally pick up some brainless hobby like bouldering or running, and instantly you not only have something to talk about, but also a chance to meet other people.

I know a lot of girls that aren't stuck up cunts thirsty for attention, you can go out to a party or have a normal conversation with them, they are smart, educated, from so-called 'good homes'. Im in a relationship so I treat them as a friend, but I think there is widely spread common misconception - you don't meet those girls randomly. We meet our friends through other friends, they don't give a shit about some PUA sperg trying to pick them up in a club. Guys that they go out with are well-travelled, some of them are artist, study law, engeneering or medicine, know when to talk seriously and when to joke about utter bullshit.

On a final note, in high school I used to be this 'mysterious' type of autist who doesn't talk a lot thinking that I'm so cool in people's eyes, but then I started going out, cut off nearly all people who were stuck up cunts from my life and now I can only cringe when I see people my age still being in a phase that is long gone for me.

The truth is most guys start learning "game" and lifting at about the same time
After a year or maybe two, which is about how long it takes to start looking much better than the average non lifting or at least non dedicated schmuck, you start pulling.
These guys then think "wow in finally getting good at game! It really works!" Totally disregarding the fact that they just got more attractive.

Game isn't about memorising lines so much as understanding how female attraction works and developing confidence

>If you go in playing some dumb social engineering game, with "negging" and that shit, then every girl past the age of 17 will recognise what you are doing and play you back.

This as well. You really think that people can't tell that what you are saying has no merit and all? You can't fake knowledge or personality. Even if you can discuss smoothly in this shitty PUA style it's the maximum of 3 sentences and people can tell that something is not right, judging from simple questions. You randomly got to this bar with no friends, you randomly picked this girl and not the other, and you don't really know what you will be doing later that night. You might lie about everything of that, but every lie only puts you futher from being interesting.

From 18-21 I went from awkward loser with no friends (I started uni again somewhere else because I made no friends 1st year) to banging decent girls on the regular.
I did that by lifting and generally becoming more socially aware and less autist (which I directly attribute to dropping """game""" and just treating girls as normal human beings)

Confidence is irrelevant if you have no personality and judging by the fact that you need people telling you how other humans work, you might have autism.

Does no one else see how horrible this makes women sound? They're just selfish entitled children

This is what I don't get about game: the theory that allows you to get sex is also screaming at you that women are not worth the effort

>Your approach suggests that looks/money are the true attraction vectors

No, his approach doesn't suggest that at all. Do you seriously think looks, money and "game" are all there is to a person?

>Confidence is irrelevant if you have no personality


This. In fact, in this instance, your confidence will seem completely inappropriate and, worse like a façade. If you seem overly confident, but have no discernible reason to be confident, you will end up looking loopy, and that will ring alarm bells.

The number one fact about socialising with strangers as a guy is this: every girl feels a huge sense of vulnerability that we as guys do not feel. The first thing a girl craves isn't money, or "a bad dude". It's security. Create a safe and personal space for you and her when you are together, and you are already ahead of everyone else.

This makes YOU the vulnerable one because, as a guy, you are far less equipped to deal with intimate situations than her. Just simply by putting yourself out there in that position displays confidence that no amount of negging or pieces of personal flair can achieve.

that's because Game theory is actually a covert homosex recruitment cult.

It's based on the same marketing as pyramid selling and scientology: by the time you realise the truth you have already invested so much time and money into following the teachings that you would rather suck a dick than admit you were wrong about everything.

Most people dislike game because they have no fucking clue what it actually is. A good example would be some of you in this thread. If you want to know what game is, it's applied charisma. It's taking on the aspects of Chad's personality that make him attractive to women. If you actually learn game properly, you won't have to think about any tactics or whatever, because your personality will naturally change to one that's attractive to women. If your game doesn't look 100% natural to a woman, you're doing it wrong. But I guess it's easier to strawman game as memorizing pick up lines and negs (which most of you have no clue what they are, but that's besides the point) than actually refuting anything we say.

Applies to both sexes desu. Too many bitches are looking for "that one guy to save them/make them happy/make them complete".

>It's taking on the aspects of Chad's personality that make him attractive to women.
Women like Chad because he is himself. He is straightforward and genuine. He carries himself in a way that says "This is me. If you find me appealing, we can hook up. If not, that's fine - I will find someone else".

Gayme guys are for the most part just little fedora trencoat lizards trying to slippery-eel their way into a girl's panties like a Matrix cosplayer doing a poor impersonation of a jock at a comicon.

Girls like Chad because he's confident, non-needy, funny, cocky and an asshole. Being interesting is a part of it, but there are very few guys in the world who have absolutely nothing interesting to talk about. On the other hand, there are a lot of guys who are interesting, but also insecure and needy, which is why they turn off women. They are the ones who would benefit significantly from learning game. Nice original fedora meme though, I've never heard that one before.

I believe the fedora thing comes from one of the very earliest game theory documents online, where the author advised you choose some unique prop to get girls to approach you, and he advised like a zippo lighter or a cowboy hat or a fedora. So that is actually a meme created by the Pyramid Church of Homosex itself.

Chads are rarely arseholes, by the way. You impose that on them because they have a thicker skin, so can handle back-and-forth exchanges better than the brittle little stick men who follow the Gayme Code.

taking interest in gayme only shows your neediness famalam

There are different kinds of assholes. If you're talking about the kind of asshole who would walk up to a girl and get angry and call her an ugly slut for rejecting him, obviously that guy isn't going to get laid. I'm talking about uncaring assholes, the guys who seem like assholes to people because they don't give a shit. They'll consider girls a nice addition to their life, but they won't get phased if a particular one rejects them, because they can just move onto the next one.

Protip: marrying a girl off and writing your life story together before you have even agreed to a first date is psychopathy.

Sadly, it is also the mindset that the Pyramid Church of Gaymer tries to promote, because you can't keep selling your products and click-throughs if all your followers are actually successful, can you?

I suppose it's a bit contradictory, but I don't care. If having to actively learn how to be something that people are otherwise natural at, and being considered a loser for it was the price I had to pay for significantly improving all aspects of my life, I'm fine with that.

>marrying a girl off and writing your life story together before you have even agreed to a first date is psychopathy.

What
Are you saying that PUAs do this? Because that's the exact opposite of reality, PUAs promote a non-needy mindset.

>PUAs promote a non-needy mindset.

>everything I do and say is about getting laid
>non-needy mindset

no amount of mental gymnastics is going to help your case user

I mean a non-needy mindset towards a particular woman. If a PUA actually ever advocated for oneitis, then he's one shitty PUA.

Gaymers have a fixation on temprary oneitis, and you can't even argue it - it's the whole point it exists.

It says go into a room, choose THE ONE you want; employ this instantly downloadable on payment received handbook of strategies and approaches to get THE ONE you want. And then re-use the lessons you have learned, to get THE ONE you want in any situation.

You can see it in the criticism Gaymers give of "the others" - guys who are naturally successful with girls:
>I'm talking about uncaring assholes, the guys who seem like assholes to people because they don't give a shit. They'll consider girls a nice addition to their life, but they won't get phased if a particular one rejects them, because they can just move onto the next one.

Not really a fixation, more like "let me talk to this girl, to see if she's worth my time". And I wasn't criticizing uncaring assholes, I brought that up as a positive example.

yup, being a shy beta did shit for me. Signed up for tinder and was fucking the next day. I just want to hookup, I'm not 30 years old yet

yeah but if you go for dumb chicks definitely use "game". beeing urself won't work with dumb chicks. also you probably don't want to, you want to get in and get out quickly not develop a meaningful relationship with dumb whores

Good read. Regarding shit tests, there's one that I've never been able to answer "you're too smart for me", normally said after I tell them what I was studying. How do you answer to that?

Girls respond positively to alpha characteristics though. Forget the dudebro PUA, its just a fact. Same way guys respond to certain sexual characteristics (wide hips, etc) of girls.

If your choice was between a friendly highly educated charismatic alpha male vs a friendly equally educated autismo betamale, there's no shame in saying you'd prefer the former.

What if my choice was between friendly, uneducated, charismatic alpha vs rich, friendly, educated autismo?

It's "talking to women in a way that convinces/tricks them into thinking that you're acceptable to fuck." It's relective of a worldview where women are seen as games or puzzles where the reward for a successful solution is sex. This is childish and stupid

What you said is true, but it's funny that your message boils down to "just bee yourself :)".

>Women are NOT aroused by men making sacrifices for them.

It depends on what kind of sacrifices and what level your relationship is at. Giving a woman a kidney that you met once at the grocery store won't mean anything to her, but getting injured while saving your gf in a crisis will.

>Sex should ideally be preceded by ambient anxiety or discomfort of some kind. If you are regularly scheduling a "sexy night in" weeks in advance and commemorating the occasion with candles, scented oil and an Enya CD YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG

This is sort of true in that you need spontaneity, but there's nothing wrong with planning an occasional big romantic night. And sometimes sex can just be natural and comfy, it doesn't have to be uncomfortable or weird.

The rest of what you said smacks of "red" pill bullshit, but there's still nuggets of truth in it. However, your claim about women loving opportunistically goes against you saying that women care what you are. How can they love opportunistically when you have nothing for her to capitalize on for profit or benefit aside from sex and your company.

>You have to create the impression that you are desired by the opposite sex and have options. Nothing will fill your girlfriend or wife with as much simultaneous dread and desire as you being desirable to other women and knowing it.

This is one of the best things written here. The BEST, most raw sex I've ever got from past gfs was when the we're feeling jealous and possessive of me. This one time with my last ex, I was at a kick back and started talking to this girl whole my gf was napping (she felt sick). When my gf came out and saw me with that girl, you could FEEL the possesiveness. When we got back to my gfs place she wanted to fuck over and over to reassure her I was hers.

>Do not mistake shit tests for female arrogance. It's their way of seeing how you cope under pressure and proving your mettle.

I call bullshit. No woman is allowed to throw fucking tantrums around me just to "test" me.

>You shouldn't NEED a woman; you should only ever WANT one.

Another fucking gem here. Frame this as how you desire your woman too. Never tell her you need her, tell her you want her. Need implies desperation and a kind of addiction that you can't help, while want means that you not only want her in your life through conscious choice, but that you can stop wanting her in your life I she's not well behaved.

Yes, sometimes, but not for the reasons most of the people doing it think it does.

So is the more to it than Throwing yourself into a bunch of different kinds of social and professional situations/experiences/get out of comfort zone? Or it's exactly that with repitition over time?

It depends to what extreme they are. It would be a case of weighing up which is most important in that case.

The point I'm making is not that as a woman you have some sort of obligation to be fucking dumb alpha guys, I'm just saying alpha characteristics put you above beta ones in terms dating/social circles/etc.

I fucking hate myself for doing this, but can I have that sauce please?

wtf are you talking about. There's no tricks.

Its the same process of ordering something at a restaurant.

Never mind I got it, it's Karina Irby.

Read some bukowski and how he dealt with women (albeit the physical abuse since he was also a drunkard)

Sociologist here, it's quite simple.

If you want one night stands; It's all about being hot, being a 'bad boy' but not dangerous, smooth talking, confidence, and a bit of luck. Works best in places like bars and concerts.

If you want a GF; being attractive, be intelligent and kind to the woman, money helps but is not a deal breaker. 'Game' will kill any potential for a long term relationship. Confidence is still key, but mostly it's just needed at the start (basically fake it till you get her). Make sure to pay attention and listen to her, etc.

There's loads more to it, I was just trying to sum it up. Also, social stuff constantly changes, this is more stuff that changes slowly.

Never used dating apps before but thought about it now? What are some examples of women trying to size your bank account up? I'm curious

"Yah..maybe I am" and then start another conversation about something else

Ok heres the reality of game from someone who went from losing virginity with one very hot girl when i was 16, to no girls at all for years, to now having slept with 30 girls (trust me, thats a huge number, most guys are absolutely 100% full of shit when they tell you about their sex lives. When you start hearing numbers like 50, 100+, 300+ "too many to count", think more like can count them with one hand or none at all. The average millenial will have somehting like 7 sexual partners their entire LIFE)

Game "works" - to an extent. And the reason its study hasnt spread like wildfire throughout mankind, is because like most practical skills - it takes time and effort and the results are very poor (or entirely absent) for a very long and painful period of adjustment.

Game is marketed as a checklist of things you do to crack some sort of pussy code, thats all bullshit. Game is a lot like boxing (or any martial art): there are governing principles that you should be aware of, but beyond that, you can only actually learn by DOING. reading a fucking book on boxing wont make you a better boxer.

Secondly, like any practical endeavor, there will varying levels of natural talent and factors that influence talent. One of the biggest? Looks. Yes they matter, the better looking you are the easier ti becomes. A guy who is a 5 will always have a significantly harder "game" to play than a guy who is an 8, sorry but thats reality and anyone who tries to convince you otherwise is a fucking slimy con man, which the "pua" industry is full of. and yes, some men are so ugly they should just give up on the idea of trying to seduce hot women because no amount of game will circumvent the natural repulsion women feel. If thats you, I am truly sorry, but your efforts are better off being focused on getting rich so you can just buy pussy.

Good game (PRACTICED and EXPERIENCED) can get you 2 points above what you otherwise wouldve had without game.

The real redpill is that game and personality doesn't matter only looks and specifically facial attractiveness matters.

If a girl likes you, you will know instantly and getting her to have sex with you will be effortless.

Most men refuse to accept this simple fact because their looks are primarily genetic and largely outside their control, whereas "game" & "personality" can be tailored.

But the truth is women want tall, facial attractive men and those men will always have an easier time than women, its simply mathematics which enables sub-par men to get laid, there just aren't enough Chads and Tyrones for every girl and thus most girls settle but would jump ship in a heartbeat

looks only matter if you're 10/10

otherwise being attractive is just a foot in the door

still gotta seal the deal with what comes out your mouth.

reads like somebody whose primary experience with women is on forums t b h f a m

are you trying to imply that retard looking memester is attractive?

>Looks matter if you are hot
>But if you are not attractive looks don't matter

Absolutely delusional, this is the exact kind of coping I'm speaking about.

The poster here is not physically attractive, he needs to make himself believe looks don't matter so people like him still have a semblence of a shot with women.

Its understandable, if you make yourself believe looks don't matter then you still have a shot with with decent women even if you aren't attractive

But you don't. Women want attractive men. They settle with unattractive men a) Because the demand for attractive men is higher than supply, b) unattractive men will sometimes offer social status and wealth.

Sooner you accept that women are completely superficial, the better your life will be

Are you implying that he isn't? Because he is. He is a standard archetype of what women desire, call him a meme all you want.

Meme fashion sense aside, everything above his neck is absolutely hideous. He looks like a retarded chimp and all the memery just adds to the effect.

>hate HAVING to be mean
>I've been rejected myself

Stupid sperm receptacle detected. Timestamp or GTFO

Every man on earth. Every single one, knows this and understands this.

Game and working out and power is ALL ABOUT getting around this and making the best of what we have to attract women.

It's why people who keep saying "be yourself" come off as either fucktards, people who don't give just enough of a shit about your problems to spout off an empty plattitude, or like they WANT you to fail.

uhh nope just a conventionally good looking white guy irl

women overtly gossip about me, regularly told I'm handsome by new acquaintances, guaranteed 9/10 women will eye fuck me when i walk past them in public even if they're strolling with their dude, regular cutesie flirty shit like.

> oh you're working with [me] all day? oh gee how hard for you not like I'm jealous

finding ways to reference my cock size in sentences is one that's happening regularly lately too.

highschool bevy of coeds type shit.

so I could guess I'm ahead of the bell curve, and like wise the dudes I roll with are ahead of the bell curve looks wise.

nobody is getting laid because of their looks and nothing else, it doesn't happen.

unless you're sean pry 10/10 perfection, and women are literally overcome by lust at the sight of you.

what you say, how you say it, how you react to her, these are all things that tangibly effect the outcome of getting laid or not.

source: have had women start the interaction fawning over me, and after 5 minutes they're clearly much less attracted.

Attractiveness is synonymous with social status, wealth and other factors though.

Granted, an ugly enough person will counteract their other qualities, but someone that is average in looks but rich will be FAR more attractive than a handsome poor person.

Gold watches, nice suits, good shoes, good tie, expensive hair cut, white straight teeth. They all help as symbols.

this is almost word for word a post from elliot rodger froum btw

> the better your life will be

thats hilariously ironic in context.

Just a reminder that this is a potatofaced virgin telling guys who have been laid what the TROOF about WIMMEN is

lmao

>Meme fashion sense.

I'd honestly love to see how you dress and what you look like. Not even about this guy at this point.

>Chimp

Oh I see what happening here. It wouldn't matter what this guy looked or dressed like.

We are done mate.

I did PUA stuff for a number of years. Best takeaway is this:

> Social gains are real
> PUA works but is not top-tier social skills

If you are an awkward sperg or are just too scared to talk to women, PUA is vastly superior to your normal awkward crap or to sitting at home alone. I'd recommend it to anyone in one of those situations. But the thing is, social gains are a real thing - you gain experience, you get used to dealing with pretty girls, you get used to approaching. Over time you need to be willing to replace the PUA stuff with more naturally-acquired social skills until eventually you're not even using the PUA stuff anymore.

Men who are taller, who have better facial genetics, who are richer, or whatever have advantages, and they unknowingly parlay these advantages into social gains early in life, and these in turn lead to more social opportunity and more social gains (and sex). Many men will never know what it's like to have a woman immediately attracted to them, and that's fine. You can still do quite well for yourself with practice. But if you think PUA is the end goal, you're retarded.

If you haven't spoken to a pretty girl in a week, go buy a PUA book and start practicing. Start approaching. Get shot down, get experience, and learn what works for you. No one ever got a gf by sitting at home writing Veeky Forums posts about how retarded PUAs are. Check back in a year and see what kind of social gains you've made.

>standard archetype

I dont know if youve looked at the girlfriends of most famous and "good looking" black guys, but maybe you should and get back to us on why black guys think fucking a 6/10 white girl is something to brag about especially when they're in the 1% income bracket

Game
>Trick basic bitches into fuck you
>Maybe get out of dyel mode

Women with personalities (/r9k/ - >personalities) and you're a nice guy
>Be yourself
>Be handsome
>Know what you're doing
>Be confident
>Smile and say hi

If you're really good looking tier and notice cues (adjusting shit, biting lip, staring, point/talk with friends)
>What are you doing later
>What are you doing right now
>Do you have 15 minutes? We could go get a "C O F F E E"
>"What do you think about ?" "I need to go do want to come?" "I'll drop you off after" or "we could hang out" with that
>Proceed to either have good time and set up next hangout or make like rabbits somewhere less than obvious that won't get you arrested/video taped in public

Roughly

Not doing a very good job arguing, just slinging insults;

youtube.com/watch?v=PIE1jLPAYus