Karl Marx

marx was a villian who just thought he was an edgy anti-hero

>literally everything bad that has ever happened tangentially related socialism is directly the fault of carl marks

of course.
The victims of hiroshima and nagasaki are on Einstein.

>"heres my ideology and heres how you implement it"
>people around the world implement his ideas, and it results it dictatorship, starvation, and poverty
>"wow so I guess its all Marxs fault that his ideas didnt work?"
Why do you think Marx himself described the implementation of his ideas as "despotic inroads" in the communist manifesto?

Marx didn't actually say much about the structure of a socialist or communist system. He just analyzed capitalism and made a guess as to what would follow it.

>*writes book on economics*
>DEVILISH
you guys are retarded

he didn't say how to """"""""implement it""""""".

oh god, this meme argument is even worst than the "not real communism!" one. Why did Marx write a MANIFESTO for a POLITICAL PARTY and actively work to promote it user? Not only that, but a political party that Marx founded?

oh god. just read the manifesto and stop making a fool of yourself, is fucking short.

Yes he did. You would know this if you had actually read it instead of posting shitty memes and talking about your hormone therapy with the other basket case faggots over at leftypol

I have user, which is why Im calling you out on your retarded meme argument. Marx founded the communist league, wrote the manifesto for it, campaigned on behalf of this political party he created, for the political ideology he came up with. This idea that the communist manifesto is just a prediction and thats it is completely wrong.

>"heres my ideology"
not his ideology, he just predicted communism based on gradual changes in economic development, didn't actually advocate for it
>and heres how you implement it
didn't do that at all
>people around the world implement his ideas
>dicatatorship
specifically advocated for a sort of democracy
>starvation and poverty
He had nothing to do with Stalin and Mao's land management strategies, not that those conditions would have been avoided in underdeveloped shitholes like China and Russia anyway.

Do you think Adam Smith is responsible for the Belgian Congo atrocities too? lol

ok, where in the manifesto, it says "how to implement communism"?

You must have missed the part where Marx didn't actually found or head the League and quickly distanced himself from it due to what it became soon after its formation...

He still didn't say much about the specific workings of a communist system. He just predicted some basic traits and advocated revolution to clear the way for the new society.

>he just predicted communism
except he didnt. This is a stupid lie leftist are starting to spout off more often. This was not at all just some prediction he made, but a political ideaology which he tried to implement, which is why he formed a fucking political party and called for others to implement his ideology in the manifesto.

>This is a stupid lie leftist are starting to spout off more often
Hi Ben Shapiro

>he formed a political party
actually he didn't, someone else did and asked him to join AND it only lasted 5 fucking years. He composed the manifesto and had a registry of the members but didn't really do much other than correspond with the other members.

>He still didn't say much about the specific workings of a communist system

>AND it only lasted 5 fucking years.
yeah, because some of its members were put on trial for revolutionary activities and it was shut down. Totally just some predictions by some guy and not at all a political ideology he tried to implement and encouraged others to do!

>a set of programmatic demands for a specific moment of struggle is equivalent to giving blueprints for genocidal regimes

>giving blueprints for genocidal regimes
oh look, youre moving the goal post after you get educated on something you clearly knew nothing about, yet arrogantly wouldnt shut up about! Also, those arent "demands" those are " the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class to win the battle of democracy. " Seriously, try reading the manifesto user. Its not that long

You're replying to a different poster

the dude was a NEET as far as i can tell from the memes

:^)

>those aren't demands
>literally a list of demands

They had the names of ALL the members and only 7 were convicted of anything by a jury which was handpicked and full of literal landed nobles and people with titles and they were convicted without any evidence that applied to the penal codes. It was Nuremburg trial tier at best.

Thats not moving the goalposts retard. Your the one calling Marx "evil" for writing a book.

just before it reads:

>These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.

>Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

So he guess what would be the first measures to change stuff, and instantly this is the "how to " dictatorship, starvation and poverty.

That by the way, some of those measures are common stuff in any country now.

Karl Marx is a titan who changed the world, like Darwin and Einstein.

WRONG.
Too many books on the subject to list.

Naïve about what?
Maybe communism doesn’t work but his critique of capitalism hits the nail on the head pretty hard.

That's praiseworthy??

Started a war that ended up with the Red Army triumphant and Germany in ruins.

He obviously wasn't evil, but he was conjuring up forces that he had no idea existed.

The whole idea of political utopia is in reality just a call for totalitarianism.

The face that angers the right. I LOVE YOU KARL MARX

>implying that hitler didn't write a certain autistic book

The manifesto of the communist party doesn't outline the abolition of value matey.

stop trying to convert his to marxism you redditors

>Your the one calling Marx "evil" for writing a book.
nice strawman in the face of you getting BTFO :)

>how to " dictatorship, starvation and poverty.
notice how you keep strawmanning my arguments after you get educated on something you clearly have never read user?

>first staps in the revolution
>keep on insisting its demands
even if it were just demands, that still would support my argument that Marx was trying to implement communism and this was just some predictions he made

>moving the goalpost
seriously, you faggots shitpost exactly like stormfags

ruined the world more like, ruining all that is good just to advance a failed pathetic ideology that ended up negatively influencing a quarter of the world in the 20th century.

So here's a thought.
What if Hitler didn't actually commit suicide and flee to Argentina, like they say he did. What if he had a time machine? It's the perfect plan.
Hitler went back in time to work at the British Library, and determined that he would grow a beard so nobody would recognize him in the future. Then he wrote a big wordy book that basically said a bunch of stuff about money and ideas. He knew that money and ideas would distract people, because people like those things, so the Third Reich would then be free to take over the world while everyone was looking away. But Russia ended up getting so distracted that they invaded Poland together. And the rest, as they say, is history.
Marx is actually the Satan of Hitler.
Stay woke.

PLS go back to your containment board

> The practical application of the principles will depend, as the Manifesto itself states, everywhere and at all times, on the historical conditions for the time being existing, and, for that reason, no special stress is laid on the revolutionary measures proposed at the end of Section II. That passage would, in many respects, be very differently worded today. In view of the gigantic strides of Modern Industry since 1848, and of the accompanying improved and extended organization of the working class, in view of the practical experience gained, first in the February Revolution, and then, still more, in the Paris Commune, where the proletariat for the first time held political power for two whole months, this programme has in some details been antiquated (...) Further, it is self-evident that the criticism of socialist literature is deficient in relation to the present time, because it comes down only to 1847; also that the remarks on the relation of the Communists to the various opposition parties (Section IV), although, in principle still correct, yet in practice are antiquated, because the political situation has been entirely changed, and the progress of history has swept from off the earth the greater portion of the political parties there enumerated.

>But then, the Manifesto has become a historical document which we have no longer any right to alter.

tl;dr the manifesto was written for 1848, not forever.

>but a political party that Marx founded?
He did not found it.

lol why does /pol/ think a shitty board with at most 1k unique IP's constitutes a proper bogeyman

>philosophers have interpreted the world. Now it is time to change it!
this is him asking for action
>dictatoriship of the proletariat: The term, coined by Joseph Weydemeyer, was adopted by the founders of Marxism, Karl Marx (HERE) and Friedrich Engels, in the 19th century.

>tfw having some of those points in almost every decent country.

we are heading to communism lads.

Changing the world through philosophy, not through political action. Have you even read the Theses?

The idiots on the Manhattan project were the ones that created the bomb with the explicit intention to kill.

That's definitely a "no."

I like that you scrolled down just enough to crop out the part where he describes those as desirable short term political goals for the time being, not what communism would constitute.

So the thousands of millions that communism killed are due to those 10 points?
wow.

Yes, the capital.

There is only two things of "value" in there:
>Dude, hey, money is just an exchange good that we agree to use because it is practical but it have no intrasexual values
>Hey, you know, people in charge, the bosses, they take an unfair share of the money given the job they do.

This is what I expect from a stoner at 2AM, not from someone who dedicated his live at studying economy.

Yes, his economic theories are all based on fallacious principles, most of which people already at the time knew were fallacious. And his philosophy was thoroughly demolished by Karl Popper.

The manifesto says that communism is to be implemented trough a violent revolution and the oppression of the bourgeois under the proletariat dictatorship which will eventually turn into a stateless communist society. What it doesn't explain is how the dictatorship of the proletariat is supposed to become the stateless society. People will just get bored of oppressing each other or something???

He also forgot to explain how it would work. If you separate wage (or call it the way you like) and labor, there is no reason to do the hard job needed by any society to just exist.

>He also forgot to explain how it would work

he didn't forgot. Because he just didn't. Is what we have been trying to tell you this whole thread.

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>with the explicit intention to kill.
They were promised by the government that it would never be used to kill people.
t. my late nuclear engineer grandpa who was on the Manhattan Project.

>those as desirable short term political goals
IE, those are things he wants to implement. I honestly dont know why you leftypol faggots are now trying to shill this idea that Marx was simply making a prediction of what he thought the future would be like and thats it.

And some of the most intelligent people of the world could not see the lie? Why else would a government need the bomb? To hit infrastructure only?

To threaten and use as a deterrent as it is today.

Probably because that's part of what he did. Marx never called communism a philosophy or ideology, to him it was science, and the things he outlined weren't just things that could happen but that would happen with absolute certainty (all of these "theories" are also based on other, already at the time disproven, theories). Now, claiming that that was all he did and that he didn't work to implement those same ideas is beyond retarded, however, because he absolutely did.

The guy understood capitalism well, but his "solution" is and was crap.

Marx was lazy neckbeard who lived of his friend.
Marx is basically a 1900th basement dweller (who didn´t live home at home) and complained about the world around him (see Reddit/pol/etc).

His ideology has only created terror and death.
His work can be summed up in there words:
>Fuck, everything costs money, and I need to whine about it.

It work today because more than one side have them, so we can't start a war.

IT could not work back then because strategic bombing levelled entire cities without result, so a more effective tool that was not even used would never change the war.

>Jew
There's your answer

Just a retard

I see this a lot but just this statement, with no real explanation. I would disagree with it in that he didnt recognize two of the most important factors in a capitalist society.
>that there are more than 2 classes of people
The haves and have nots is not accurate at all, you could say there as as many as 9, if not more, classes of people in a capitalist society ranging from the ultra poor to the mega rich and everywhere between
>the relationship between workers and owners
He didnt know how wages worked, how interest and time value were utilized and he didnt see the benefit to being paid before a product was sold.

he was right

ITT: People who have never read Marx.

Before "The Communist Manifesto" he was just naive
After he wrote it, he was absolute evil.

>Probably because that's part of what he did.
yeah, and the other part was him trying to implement those ideas just as any other political ideology. This retardation of trying to pretend he didnt is hilarious though.

And what means did he deploy towards its implementation

Everyone before him was wrong, Karl Marx was right, and everyone after him who deviated from became wrong again

If that is the only thing you took out of Das Kapital, then yo either did not understand the book or you didn't read it

He was right

Anything that confirms all it's beliefs to materialism is pure evil.

All I can see is jealousy that Marx got to be lazy and live off of neetbux like all you wage-slaves wish you could.

But user, they both would wish to be Diogenes. Just like /pol/ would wish to have a rich friend, live off of neetbucks, and spend all day spewing their political opinions.

>fought and was injured in combat for his country
Not true, he fought and was injured for the neighboring country as his had a higher health requirement standard that he didn't meet.

I'm a commie and I think this image is funny because it's true.

P r o j e c t i n g

You need to be 18 to po... oh why do I bother anymore.

>Dude the best hope of humanity is in the working classes cooperating and overriding all over interests to overthrow their capitalist masters
>*violently feuds with practically every major and minor figure in socialist thought in his times*

What did he mean by that?

Late capitalism comes before communism

Reminder that if Garl Marks was still alive he'd be violently feuding with ~95% of the #WokeLeft over trivial bullshit

That's because 95% of #WokeLeft is trivial bullshit

Got to admit, his tenacity was admirable.