Go actually visit somewhere that’s not Beijing or Shanghai for once. There are 1.38 billion Chinese outside those cities.
Cooper Sanchez
My point is that these "Hanfu revival" movements are just revivals. There is no real tradition behind it. It's just costumes
I wanna know why it died out in the first place
Daniel Cruz
>it died out
But it did not. The hanfu movement is proof of that since many of the best dresses are made by the exact same traditional developers.
There are thousands of Chinese temples that still have the same traditions and outfits as always. Some villages in Sichuan have people who only wear their traditional outfits because they can’t afford modern ones.
You also have this autistic belief that court outfits are for normal people. The kimono itself was only for the top 1% in ancient Japan and therefore it became a status symbol in the modern era.
Suffice to say, your perception of China is wrong. You believe they’ve abandoned a tradition 99.9% of Chinese never actually had.
Matthew Cruz
Of normal people didn't wear Hanfu, what did they wear?
Anthony Williams
attempts at modernism. having said that the new republic stuff was fly as FUCK
Alexander Howard
Idk, probably gross ass rags or something. You know, like every other peasant ever.
Cooper Sullivan
I'm not well read on the subject, but if I'd dare to guess I'd say it has something to do with the Communist revolution and them declaring the fashion counter-revolutionary or something like that.
Dylan Bennett
Not true. There is no difference in Taiwan.
I think it has to do with Manchu rule
James Barnes
1. Chinese fashion changed with dynasties 2. At the end of the Qing dynasty there was a wave of modernist thought which believed that China should utterly wipe out the old ways and thinking and adopt a western mentality; This is not unique; the Meiji govt banned topknots and carrying katanas in its modernization efforts; 3. The final nail in the coffin was the cultural revolution, which took the nascent ideas about overthrowing the old and turned them into religious, dogmatic insanity. During that time certain branches of physics werent even allowed to be fucking taught because they were "counter revolutionary", it was mass hysteria on a nation wide scale and one of the most shameful moments in Chinese history, worse in my opinion than the century of humiliation, because at least in that case it wasn't entirely self inflicted.
Don't let revisionist Bo Xi Lai disciples trick you, the CR was a fucking disaster
Cooper Gray
>Don't let revisionist Bo Xi Lai disciples trick you, the CR was a fucking disaster
Read
Parker Watson
itchy lice-filled wool (maybe linen?) or possibly cotton robes with a rope belt and wicker sandals with maybe some leather belt and straps, along with a straw hat.
Ryan Phillips
Because Japan had Meizi restoration, which made everything traditional ruling class did fashionable, China had a series of Republican revolutions, and a great (and justified) hatred of Imperial ruling class, while everything Western fashionable.
Mason Reyes
Because Hanfu didn't really die out, Qing dynasty tried to ban it, but it's still wore by women, kids and monks, only adult men were seriously affected, actors of traditional operas also wear them to perform till today, depends on what character and story they play. There was old saying like this: "十從十不從 ", it means "only obey(the Hanfu restriction) under 10 conditions, but disobey it under other 10 conditions". Even fucking manchu emperors liked to wear them for cosplay occasionally.
The tradition of silk making also never die out, Qing dynasty still was the largest and best producer of silk textile in the world, so does China today.
However, the overall clothing did gradually change in middle to late Qing period, but that's mainly because Han people didn't so insist on costumes during the peace time anymore, until the nationalists revolution broke out.
Owen Barnes
It was replaced by pic related Pic related is al the origin of chink kungfu costume and qipao
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Josiah Gutierrez
That clothing style is actually kinda Ming-esque
Carson Diaz
>Qing dynasty tried to ban it but it's still wore by women, kids and monks, only adult men were seriously affected, actors of traditional operas also wear them to perform till today, depends on what character and story they play. I'd agree that Hanfu was mainly worn by religious figures and women but when did the Qing explicitly ban the usage of Hanfu amongst adult males? iirc there were photos taken by Japanese anthropologists of the late Qing/Republican era depicting isolated communities in the southwest with Hanfu.
Luis Russell
Have you ever heard of the Cultural Revolution?
Carson Perez
It's called "剃髮易服令" purposed by prince regent Dorgon under emperor Shunzhi's reign after they came during middle 17th century.
Angel Hernandez
>剃髮易服令 This still doesn't answer my question. The ban was directed towards Qing officials,not Han commoners.
Elijah Barnes
>That clothing style is actually kinda Ming-esque The Ming actually had some similar clothing that the Manch introduced thanks to the Yuan conquest.
For example,uniforms akin to the Magua were worn by coastal Ming militias.
Michael Johnson
Manchus slaughters millions of people including commoners to enforce queue hairstyle, what makes their treatment of clothing any different?
Henry Cruz
Fuck you, you Jap shit. We will never forget about pearl harbour and what you did to the chinks and gooks.
Owen Ward
Stop dodging the question. Name a source that Han commoners were forced to give up Hanfu.
Han Bannermen and ethnic Han officials weren't exempt however.
David King
>Living in the past
You sound like a whiney Mr Li
Charles Ramirez
I'm different guy, just want to know why its different
Carter Brown
>The ban was directed towards Qing officials,not Han commoners. No, it applied to every Han people and many southern minorities in theory, especially the gentries and intellectuals who have great potential stimulate rebellions, except the religious personnel . But it's really not that easy to enforce that harsh in practice, they met very heavy resistance, so the policy went soft later, the government wouldn't chop your head off so easily if they see you still wear hanfu, mostly women and children. So you still got some women, monks and small, isolated communities wear these clothes till the day Qing fell.
Brayden Perry
>I'm different guy, just want to know why its different Bannermen and officials represented the ruling dynasty.
>No, it applied to every Han people and many southern minorities in theory, Give a source that it applied to Han commoners not just the bannermen or officials.
There are plenty of Qing paintings that show Hanfu persisted amongst the general populace(including adult males) well after the Qing conquest.
Lucas Nelson
Just to notify, I'm a southeast asian Chinese decent myself and I just don't get mentality of mainlanders (and taiwanese) who hates Qing descent culture so much, Hanfu phenomenon is especially weird for me since people here are proud of doing all old chinese tradition, regardless of where it came from (we also preserve many ceremonies that have dissappear in China itself) while Chinese Hanfuist doesn't seem to have any sense of tradition in it, and just feel so farce (especially the cheap Japanese/Korean inspired ones)
Anthony Williams
>Give a source that it applied to Han commoners not just the bannermen or officials. OK. 1636年(後金崇德元年),皇太極明令:「凡漢人官民男女,穿戴要全照滿洲式樣[6]……有效他國衣冠、束髮、裹足者,重治其罪。」(東華錄)
What don't you go translate them yourself? These documents clearly said the manchu ruler want every Han people, including both "commoners" and officials, all changed their cloth and hairstyle. It's really no that hard to find them. zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/剃髮易服#cite_ref-12
Also, I'm not this guy
Isaac Evans
Depends on region. China is a big place.
Logan Nguyen
I'm not that user, but I don't really hate Qing that much, I kind like kung fu costume really. I'm Taiwanese actually.
The hatred toward Qing culture nowadays is largely modern phenomenon which generates by Hanfu reviving movement, not really directly relates to former nationalist revolution.
Also, please note this, the so-called "Manchu cloth", Qipao, Cheongsam...etc, are also partially derived from traditional Chinese clothing(remember manchus were Ming's vassal?) Not really alien thing like modern Hanfu fanatics depict.
Robert White
>I find it strange that the tradition seems to have died out in China... Insane communist regimes will do that to ya
Luis Thompson
No different in the RoC
Mason Cook
But the problem is that tradition never really die out. And the "Hanfu reviving movement" is literally born in modern mainland China, and it's approved and supported by fucking CCP now. While the so-called "nationalist remnants"(DPP separatists more precisely ) in Taiwan today are eagerly to erase everything relates to Chinese culture(kinda like "cultural revolution" back then) and copy ever fucking disgusting things from Western gender-fluid SJWs nowadays.
