So I was watching one of varg's videos and he said that protestant countries are more atheist than catholics because...

So I was watching one of varg's videos and he said that protestant countries are more atheist than catholics because catholic christianity still has paganism in it which made catholics more comfortable with it while protestants removed that factor.
Normally I don't take varg seriously but maybe he might have a point here.

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Catholicism gives people an outlet for their urge to participate in Live Action Roleplaying that introspective Protestant theology doesn't posses.

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What do you mean with catholics larping while protestants don't?

What the fuck does that have to do with athiesm? Correlation isn't causation you dumb viking cunt

The pomp and ceremony of the Catholic Church was a major sticking point for the early protestants, who saw it as emblematic of the backwards and polluted nature of the Catholic Church. The English Civil war was basically fought over this - Southern England (and officially the kingdom in general) was Anglican, which was Catholicism with the names filed off. Scotland was protestant and followed it's own books of church orders and rejected many of the Anglican churches rituals. And Ireland was of course heavily catholic. Fighting broke out between everyone when the King tried to enforce uniform standards of worship onto everyone, with the Protestant Scottish rejecting Anglican priests and ritualisms first, then the Catholic Irish taking their shot amidst the Chaos. Then the Protestants under Cromwell seized control and etc etc blah blah complicated story.

But basically, protestants don't like robes and funny hats. Some didn't even like baptism or communion

So you mean to say that all those rituals are a big factor in what keeps people religious.
I think that would overvalue its importance desu.

Of course the urge to LARP varies from person to person, but the rituals of Catholicism in which "salvation" is "won" through a series of rituals and exchanges gives people the agency they're looking for from Live Action Roleplaying. In Protestantism, thought more varied than Catholicism in practice, salvation is granted by God through belief in his grace, so the battle is an internal one instead of a communal display.
For a Catholic, doing good is the same as a roleplayer completing a quest because the basic premise is the same- in return for a life free of sin the Catholic is granted eternal life like the innkeeper gives your heroes board for slaying the rats in the basement.
When the Protestant does good it's an affirmation that they believe in God's salvation and must therefore live their life in line with their teaching. There is no reward for virtue, virtue is meant to be the default condition for human life. The rewards found in Live Action Roleplay and Catholicism are not found in Protestant theology.
This combined with the pomp of Catholic ritual makes the Catholic Church more conductive to people who want to enjoy a bit of LARPing.

The "Pagan" elements of Catholicism are superficial at best and fictional at worst and I've noticed that most people don't even take the time to examine the claims presented by people like Varg.

Somehow for the longest time I believed in the Christmas = Saturnalia thing and then a quick google search revealed they were on entirely different dates. I couldn't believe I was so dense.

Is that the video where he says "90%" of Catholicism is paganism?

Yeah that's the one.

And that didn't tip you off he was exaggerating?

>entirely different dates
You're still very dense. The Winter Solstice was celebrated by numerous Pagan festivals, Christians only started using the 25th of December one-hundred years after Christ's death.
biblebb.com/files/christmas00.htm
>Though Christians themselves didn’t begin to celebrate the birth of Christ until between AD 127 and 139, by AD 320, after the last of the Christian persecutions, the Roman Catholic Church had made December 25th the date of its Nativity celebration. Why December 25th? Secular speculation postulates that because the deeply rooted Sol Invictus had not been eradicated by Christianity, the Catholic Church purposefully chose to turn December 25th, the Natilis Invictus (“the birth of the sun”), into “the birth day of the Son,” that is, of Jesus Christ, the son of God.... Either way, in one move, the Church assigned a specific date to the birth of Our Lord that introduced a Christian holiday into the pagan celebrations occurring in December that supplanted the Natilis Invictus.
Try using the sources next time, wikipedia warrior.

Ofcouse it was but that part about cathocalism being stronger than protestantism because it still had parts of older european cultures made a bit sense.
Literally every abrahamic religion is syncrethized with local beliefs in order to convert those people.

>(“the birth of the sun”), into “the birth day of the Son,”
I'm quoting this. I want you to look at it for a few seconds and see if you can figure out why it's stupid.

Dies Natalis Solis Invicti isn't attested as being celebrated on December 25th until after Christmas had been celebrated on that date for around 100 years.

Also
>chose to turn December 25th, the Natilis Invictus (“the birth of the sun”), into “the birth day of the Son,”
Holy fucking shit lmao imagine being this retarded

>Try using the sources next time
>posts a 15 year old blog post by a non-academic
>a non-academic who thinks that Romans spoke modern English
how fucking embarrassing

He isn't quoting anyone dibshits, I know that Natalis Invictus is very fucking different from Natalis Puer.
The fact is that the 25th of December was chosen as the new birth date of Christ because it was convenient for the Christians to borrow the Holiday like that.
I base this on the fact there is no Biblical evidence, aprocryphal or otherwise, that suggests that Christ was born on the 25th of December. Please try and supply evidence contrary to this fact instead of mocking the author's wordplay.

>durrr catholics are based and redpilled cuz they wear dagon fish hats

Underrated

He just supposed both, focusing on the specific cause

>idol worship
Sounds like paganism to me, alright

>Listening to eternal edgelord

>I am not going to say that I burnt any churches. But let me put it this way: There was one person who started it. I was not found guilty of burning the Fantoft stave church, but anyway, that was what triggered the whole thing. That was the 6th of June and everyone linked it to Satanism ... What everyone overlooked was that on the 6th June, 793, in Lindesfarne in Britain was the site of the first known Viking raid in history, with Vikings from Hordaland, which is my county ... They [the Christians] desecrated our graves, our burial mounds, so it's revenge.
>I didn't burn down that church
>But I wish I had

Well, I guess the LARPers can't argue without using cheap ad hominems and willfully misunderstanding the English language.

Christianity and Paganism is the same thing. Apollo is Christ is Siddhartha is Mohamed

I don't see why Paganism offers more than Catholicism or Christianity. Other than for those with inclinations towards racial purity debates.

With quads like that, it has to be truth. Also, this.

>Imagine excusing your poor theology and slothfulness by calling others LARPers
Only a protestant, folks

Everything Varg says about Paganism is made up/conjecture fed to him by his autistic french wife

>people that I don't like might say something true somtime, can you sincerely believe it !
This is what leftism does to your brain

SHUT THE FUCK UP VARG!

catholicism isnt pagan at all, ignorant people think it is because they do not understand what the holy liturgy is, they think its some weird ceremony with the priest doing incense stuff and some chanting music. the liturgy itself is from ancient christianity where the baptized gathered and the ordained priest or bishop turned bread and wine into the body and blood of christ through simple eucharistic prayers and distributed it to the people afterwards.

over the centuries more prayers were added and the liturgy was made longer with the addiction of the mass of the catechumens and more eucharistic prayers added on with incense being introduced taking inspiration from old testament use.

Varg is a meme person user. He is only for comedic purposes
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>So I was watching one of varg's videos

Get a life.

>Its only LARPing when they do it

People in the past would see moderns today as "LARPers"

Wrong, Christianity adopted many Pagan traditions and imagery but at its core it was only a universal form of Jewish monism.

Most pagans did not worship Apollo exclusively, as Christians worship Christ.

They also worshipped Dionysus who is in a sense Apollo's opposite, Christians seem to have a hatred for Dionysus and his Dionysian masculine energy of passion and instinct.

Who are you quoting?

t.NEETche

Catholic christianity has saints worship.
Literal greek/roman politheism, but whit different names.

youtube.com/watch?v=6IHaE-TXbZQ

He really knows how to relate to his fanbase