Literally went from looking like a beta cuck to an Alpha Chad

Literally went from looking like a beta cuck to an Alpha Chad.

Why should you stay natty at the current year Veeky Forums?

He already was unnatty.

Dem gyno gains

pinning your entire life seems kind of troublesome don't you think

Staying natty because if side effects seem kind of scary

However roiding might help me get laid so thats a massive upside

looked better before tb h

Was frauding in both pics faggot

Chasing girls feels so meaningless to me sometimes..
I mean I wanna fuck them but after I cum I feel empty inside and just want them to leave and go lift heavy weights

> looking like

So he just looked like he wasn't a cuck? How about straight up being alpha and not just looking it and hoping nobody calls you out on it

>Drug overdosed in January
>Survived with no long-term damage, however my heart almost tore itself a new one
>Virtually no left-over damage
>Still have flashbacks
>Still can't sleep for long periods of time without jolting awake
>Would have panic attacks at the thought of any roid.

Been lifting consistently for about 4 years now. About 10 years cumulative if you count all the previous periods of 6-12 months here and there.

Strength keeps going up, could still improve naturally, especially my squat.

My PRs are
200lbs The Press @ 200lbs body weight
320lbs Bench @ 180lbs
365lbs squat @ 190lbs
495lbs deadlift @ 185lbs

The last three years I've tracked my body composition with the InBody system which tested at 98% accuracy and replicability against DEXA scans.

Anyway my lean mass has gone from 154 up to 165 since then but my dry lean mass has gone from 41.7 to 44.8 back to 43.8.

It's always in that range.
It'll go up to near 45 after a bulk, but that's at the cost of an extra 15lbs of fat, by the time I cut it I'm back to where I was.

My chest I'm not sure if it's just shit inserts or if it can still grow, my arms definitely could grow more naturally since most of my time training I ignored them. Shoulders could grow more naturally, from what I hear they'll blow up on gear.

Those lifts aren't very impressive and it seems like your need to keep bf% low has hindered your ability to progress .

320lb bench @ 180lb is good for training for 4 years I think

not bad. your squat appears to be lagging behind your other big lifts though.

Fuuuuck, miring.

You aren't wrong.
I'll get to a certain level then it's time to cut.

Only been training strength seriously last two years, I think back in 2013 I wouldn't even let myself surpass a two plate deadlift because of snap city fears.

That said I don't see the point of having to look like a potato to maximize my strength.

Yeah man, hit that 3rd week of my cut this year following Arnold's nutty blueprint to the cut.

I'll have to blame my dad for that one.
Back when I first started training, the ass end of my 17th year in preparation for college football, my dad had gotten a trainer for me and explicitly forbade him to teach me squats or deadlifts because they were bad for back and knees.

Of course I proceeded to have my ACL and lateral meniscus snapped during training.

And never got around to doing squats until me and a buddy took on stronglifts sometime around my mid twenties.

Thanks breh

how do you got that core

>Yeah man, hit that 3rd week of my cut this year following Arnold's nutty blueprint to the cut.

For what reason?

he use too much eq and tren

Get gud

But really first couple years abs developed by doing squats and deads.

The cut leading to that reveal incorporated a lot of different ab moves, hanging leg raises, front lever, trunk twist, pallof press, cable crunches and even some vacuums.

It's part of the program to test your 1rm for bench on the third week.

What's Arnold's natty blueprint?

It's on the bodybuilding.com website.
The volume is nuts and was daunting naturally, especially when you're doing 8x12 squats with just a minute rest between sets, but it's doable.

I ignored his shill diet plan and his cardio protocol.

I don't think that program is suitable for naturals

This. I don't wanna ride the dragon forever. I'd rather spin my wheels as a natty forever than fuck with my health and need to stay on drugs forever.

too bad you don't have that thin tapered waist for the V, you'd probably look insane if you did
but still mirin' tho

Well I'm 31, currently natural and managed it on a deficit.

Yeah sometimes my 60 second breaks were 90.
Yeah the 8×12 was done with just 155lbs and the 5x20 with just a plate but I did every fucking rep.

Achieved natty but you need a few years training experience.

Do you plan on competing ?

how was your love life been affected since starting your training 4 years ago?

>thinking roiding's effects on your sexual performance is a meme

or do you just hate your balls?

Nigga I know guys who got their gf's pregnant while shooting 500mg of test p/w

if i get a bitch pregnant while roiding will my baby have extra testosterone gains?

Ive never heard of any side effects on your performance, just that your balls could shrink and you could become sterile
Still, im not gonna have a kid if things go this way so id rather my childlessness stem from roiding up to smash tons of pussy instead of it being from not being able to get laid as it is today

>The bench is that close to the squat

With a core that well developed you should be ashamed of that squat.

Man, I can barely do 185 for reps because of weakness in my left leg caused by nerve impingement around the hip. I want to do heavy squats but have to do shitty light weight rehabilitation routines to try and fix this crap. Over a 3pl8 squat? I'm just a little guy (5'8") but if I ever hit that I would cry tears of joy.

One case of anecdotal evidence doesn't show that pinning test can't cause infertility. Studies show otherwise.

Sure it may not cause it for me but I don't want to take the chance until my wife pops out a couple kids. After then it's juice city for me.

>i'll wait injecting myself with possible fatal dangerous chemicals untill after i've had children
you irresponsible shithead

Could you assholes make up your goddamn minds?
I want to get on gear if it helps me slay puss
I dont care about sterility, i dont care about dying, i care about getting laid

If roids gives me access to sex, im taking it
If not just fucking say so please and ill refrain because i wont shorten my life for no reason
Sterility is a meh because im not using that anyway for obvious reasons

He went from alpha chad to roid freak

Never go sub 10% bodyfat. Absolutely disgusting

It's not sterility, it's also ED. Making it a moot path if you take roids for pussy.

I'm 38706741
Getting on gear will definitely help you slay puss.
Get on 500mg of test e/week or do an EQ/test combo, kickstart both cycles with dbol. Remember to run some AI. roiding will bring up estrogen aswell, which will make you hold water, make you puffy, give you acne and so on.
You will want to fuck everything while on gear, it will make you more alpha aswell, but only if you pin yourself with testosterone, which therefore should be the base of your cycles.
Some peoples self esteem get ruined tho because they get gyno, which is almost as bad as the plague for some people.
After the cycle, you will lose your mojo and feel like shit, and not score anymore puss.

Thank you, ill google it and just live in celibacy for the rest of forever as a natty then
Dont want it to fuck with my dick and get in a position where i can get laid but cant perform

Don't listen to this user
You will only get erectile dysfunction on cycles if you fuck up your estrogen, or if you completely fuck over your own natural production, which CAN happen but is very unlikely on a simple first cycle of TEST e

I...dont want to risk it without knowing alot about how big a chance it is
Like i said, getting into my dream situation and having girls wanting to fuck but being unable to get a boner is lot worse than my current situation of not being able to get laid

Also you mentioned gyno and that seems almost as bad

Gyno is a side effect of not being able to control your estrogen properly
With that being said
1/3 roiders get gyno

Reddit has a nice subreddit dedicated to steroid use, read about it and make a decision yourself. People might say that your reason for starting is ridiclous, but in the end you only have to answer to yourself. you can do whatever the fuck you wanna do

>People might say that your reason for starting is ridiclous
Pretty sure my reason is valid
Sex is a basic need for guys
Ill check it out and see if i can make an informed desicion about it, im worried about the side effects so might be a no but ill see

Thanks

how the fuck are u supposed to do 30 reps in one go? might as well do babby weight which wont help at all, explain?

Nope.
I respect people that can put themselves through the grind of pre-contest prep but it's not for me.
It's a thankless endeavor that will have you spend hundreds, often thousands of dollars, putting your body through hell, stacking tons of types of gear, having to get shaved and sprayed, cramping on stage with your brain running on fumes due to how depleted you are.

I feel to many guys who decide to fraud suddenly feel they need to legitimize their usage by competing.

I've had more empty sex the last few summers for sure.

They can overlook my idiosyncratic behavior and spaghetti spilling because they want me on a primal level.

So far as love, that well still runs dry because any girl worth your time will want more than just a chiseled body, and honestly I don't have my shit together for a man my age.

I gave a brief history of why that is here I would warm up and do 30 reps with one plate on bench.
Believe me that created some luscious DOMS, especially since it was superseted with pull-ups iirc.

I agree it's optimized for an enhanced athlete, but if you're nuts enough you can do it natty, just don't run a dumbfuck deficit.

Also I removed upright rows and replaced them with a facepull/shrug superset.

Changed leg extensions with lunges, did the behind the neck press no lower than ear level with low weight.

I made sure to follow things as closely as possible without snapping my shit up.

I hope you won't roid if you don't plan on competing then

given that you decide to take hormones to get laid
i don't think you can make an informed decision about anything
might as well flip a coin and decide that way

Alright tough guy, how would you solve the problem if you were in my position?
No sex for almost two years and no other trick ive found on the internet so far has worked out of the ones ive tried

Riddle me that, friend

>You're already a sick cunt mate

Just speak to more women

> i hope you won't drink if you don't plan on being an alcoholic

I'll do what I want thanks.
People pollute their bodies and minds daily for more mundane reasons then vanity.

Might as well give us all shit for lifting in the first place since 99% here don't do it for any fruitful purpose.

Anyone in the gym more than 3 times a week is some sort of cuck being as there is no real value in being jacked or super strong in modern society.

But being as I already waste my time in the gym, so much time, I can take it to the next level, fully understanding the risk I'm taking.

And what will you do when you get on roids and still can't get any sex?

Im sick of this meme
I speak to women wherever i find them, i spoke to a girl outside of an exam for gods sake
Still this gives me nothing
Speaking to girls is not the solution, having girls attracted to you is

ok so lets assume you have the dream body right now
like this very moment you read this sentence transformation is complete
do you think they'll just ask you to sleep with them?

pussy has no power over me but I assume you can start by talking to them or something

lol @ roiding as a casual lifter

Try to figure out a solution, im not gonna quit and i doubt its the pancea i need but if it can give me what i need...why not?

Im bound to notice if a girl is attracted, she will likely do something or act diffrently if she is attracted so im guessing ill pick up on that

How are you look right now?
Stats, pics post them

I have no pics and its the middle of the night here so i dont feel like taking some, sorry
Im 6'1'' at 195lbs, bf of around 15-18% estimated

isn't it better to go on a dating website and hook up there?

Get down to 10% bf and roid
If you hop on now you won't get the full benefits because of your bf%

Uhm, im not really sure dating sites provide a solution to my problem mate
Ive only heard bad things about dating sites and one site i went on just to check and see the distribution really made me never want to come back(Guys looking for girl: 9600 ads, Girls looking for guy: 76 ads)

Im confused, why?
I thought i could hop on since im gonna bulk up abit before my next cut anyway and roiding should be better during a bulk..right?

>Im confused, why?

Oral only is a waste of time, always run a test base.
Cycling is a waste of time, we blast and cruise.
If you're fat and want to do steroids start with 200mg Testosterone/week and do a PSMF until you're 8% before you start blasting.
Steroids work better when you're low bodyfat, anytime you reach 14% BF cut to 8% before bulking again.
Ancillaries should always be pharma. Indian generics are fine.
Take 12.5mg Aromasin ED on high doses of aromatising compounds, adjust the aromasin dosage depending on how you feel.
Take 12.5mg Aromasin E3D on low doses of aromatising compounds, adjust the aromasin dosage depending on how you feel.
If your nipples are puffy/sore/itchy take 30mg Raloxifene ED and up the aromasin dosage.
Orals have short have lives so split the dosage to 3x a day when possible.
Take 0.5mg caber E5D on Nandrolone
Recomping is a waste of time, always cut and bulk.
Don't drink alchohol on orals.
RECOMENDED BLAST

The point of a blast is to put on as much muscle as possible while staying lean. Eat at a slight caloric surplus (300-500) and train hard.
Novice: 15 weeks of 500mg Testosterone/week + 75mg Epistane/ED (first 6 weeks)
Intermediate: 15 weeks of 750mg Testosterone/week + 750mg Nandrolone/week + 50mg Drol/ED (first 6 weeks)
Advanced: 15 weeks of 750mg Testosterone/week + 750mg Nandrolone/week + 500mg Trenbolone/week + 30mg Superdrol (4 weeks on, 2 weeks off)
RECOMMENDED CRUISE

The point of a cruise is to allow your body to recover and get ready for the next blast. Get a blood test to determine that your health markers are within range before you blast.
Novice: 150-250mg Testosterone/week
Advanced: 200-500mg Testosterone/week + 25mg Proviron/ED
[cont..]

INJECTABLES

Testosterone - essential hormone that must be run all the time, builds muscle, makes you strong, good feels, increases estro, high doses cause to water retention, 150-750mg/week
Nandrolone - great for bulking, increases prolactin so must be run with caber, causes lots of water retention, good mass gains, increases estro, helps with tendon health, 300-750mg/week
Trenbolone - god of steroids, insane muscle and strength gains, ideal for bulking and cutting, makes you look dry and full, burns fat, causes mental sides, harsh on body and mind, 300-750mg/week.
Masteron - mild compound, makes you look dry, helps deal with high estro, shines at low BF%, 400-800mg/week
ORALS

Dianabol - good strength gains, causes lots of water retention, okay mass gains, very estrogenic, good feels, 30-60mg/day
Drol - great strength and mass gains, causes lots of water retention, run it alongside 30mg of raloxifene to prevent gyno, 50mg/day
Superdrol - king of orals, very liver toxic, great for bulking, crazy strength gains, make sure to eat plenty of carbs on superdrol to prevent you from going hypo, 10-30mg/day
Proviron - good for feels and libido, not very liver toxic meaning you can run it virtually indefinately, 25-100mg/day
Winstrol - dry oral, useful for making you look dry and vascular, decent strength gains, too harsh on joints to be run outside of contest prep, 50mg/day.
Anavar - mild oral, useful for cutting, makes you look lean and vascular, helps with tendon health, 20-50mg/day
Epistane - similar to anavar but gives better mass gains making it useful for bulking as well as cutting, 75mg/day
ESTERS

Esters simply determine the half life of the compound, they make no substantial difference other than how often you have to pin them to maintain stable blood levels.
Pin the following ED - ace, prop, phenylprop
Pin the following E3D - cyp, enan
Pin the following E5D - deca, undeca
[cont..]

LOW ESTRO SIDES

Irratability, mood swings, aggression, dry skin, itchy scalp, night sweats, low appetite, lethargy and no libido.
HIGH ESTRO SIDES

Water retention, acne, oily skin, moon face, aggression, depression, high blood pressure, sugar cravings, insomnia, lethargy and no libido.
INJECTING

Always swab the vial and the injection site.
Always use a new needle.
Use a 23-27G needle for injecting.
Use a 21-23G needle for drawing.
Ventro glute, delts, quads, chest and lats are easy spots to pin.
Rotate injection sites to reduce scar tissue build up, don't pin the same spot more often then twice a week.
Warm the oil up by rolling the vial in your hands if your having problems with PIP.
Massage the injection spot post injection if your having problems with PIP.
REVERSING GYNO PROTOCOL

Drop to a cruise dose.
120mg Raloxifene for 3 months.
5mg Melatonin before bed.
Keep estro low, don't bother crashing it.

TRAINING

There's no perfect training program. Make sure you're hitting everything often and getting in enough volume. Your body can handle a lot more on roids.
PHAT is a good starting point for novices.
Personally I do Surge Nubret's program.
Remember to do your cardio, it's important on roids.

SUPPLEMENTS

Taurine - your going to want to take this to prevent painful pumps and cramping, 5g/day (preworkout)
Cialis - keeps your blood pressure down, 10mg/day
Accutane - useful for preventing acne, 5mg/day
NAC - useful for liver health, take it when your running tren or orals, 500mg/day
TUDCA - extremely useful for liver health, use it when your running toxic orals, 200-1000mg/day
CoQ10 - useful for cardiovascular health, 250mg/day
Niacin - extremely useful for lipids, 1g/day
Zinc - useful for reducing estro and lowering SHBG, 100mg/day

[cont..]

DIET

1.5g protein/lb of bodyweight
30-75g fat
The rest of your calories should come from carbs.
You want to eat at a 300-500 cal surplus while bulking.
Time your simple carbs around your training.
Refeeds are important while cutting, do a refeed every 7-10 days.
Digestive health is important; avoid infammatory foods.
GROWTH HORMONE (for intermediate/advanced users)

Pin 100mcg mod grf + 100mcg GHRP-2, 3x a day. Upon waking, pre workout and before bed.
Add 25mg MK-677 pre-bed if you want to get more from your peptides. Take the MK-677 for 4 weeks on, 2 weeks off.
If you want to get even more from your peptides take 100mcg Huperzine-A twice a day while on MK-677.
GLOSSARY

ED = every day
EOD = every other day
E#D = every # day
Estro = estrogen
Test = testosterone
Tren = trenbolone
Mast = masteron
Epi = epistane
Sdrol = superdrol
Ace = acetate
Prop = propionate
Cyp = cypionate
Enan = enanthate
Deca = decanoate
PSMF = protein sparing modified fast

Goodluck

Is this the best fraud guide or what senpai
Holy shit

you're making it trip friend, we're all gonna make it

Holy shit user, thanks
Awesome guide

stay out of prison

Having lurked /fraud/ for the past month or so - I gotta say that:

is the best guide. All of it is also found on reddit r steroids wiki but this is more succinct.

People go to prison for roiding?

>If you're fat and want to do steroids start with 200mg Testosterone/week and do a PSMF until you're 8% before you start blasting.

If you're like 16% (measured using pic related), what would be the asin dose you recommend on 200mg/week? Should 12.5 E3D be enough or should you start with ED due to all the fat?

forgot pic related

Those things aren't accurate at all.
They usually underestimate the bf%

You'd be better off posting a picture of yourself here or compare yourself to the bf% chart

>tfw took epistane and halodrol
>gained 12 lbs and got into single digit bf in 4 weeks

then obongo made it illegal. thanks, asshole.

i hear getting caught with possession is similar to getting caught with heroin

Lol no it depends on the quantity

>1-4% BF
xD

It's just a guide
Obviously if you get to 1% bf you'd be dead
But 4-5% is possible

What reason could possibly be *more* mundane than vanity?

what is pinning?

Great lifts and physique. But I used an inbody system and it said I'm 9%. Flattering, but I don't think I'm anywhere near 9%. I don't trust it, it just uses electrical resistance.

>
Why even bother to roid if you looked like that?

Also saw you on fraud, your a lot fatter now aint you? how long were you able to maintains that bf level?

I meant drugs and booze in general.
People are getting shitfaced everyday just not to deal with life, wrecks their liver and makes them fat, can cause diabetes et cetera.

A cycle can be hazardous but unless you're messing with top bodybuilder amounts you can keep things in check.

Depends on how much credit you give Veeky Forums for their bodyfat estimates.

A negative bunch as they are they see my June 2015 pic and argue it's 12-15%.

The InBody system does need you to be rested, hydrated normally, not having eaten anything within 12 hours of using it, not having had done strenuous activity within 12 hours.

I've taken many and they're consistent and reflect the change in my body.

When I was 9% at 180 it was easy to see that my body had less than 18lbs of fat on it.

Circumstances made it so I maintained it for less than a month.
Took that pic the day before going up to dad's for two weeks for his birthday, ate shit, then the night I got home was called to a bachelor's party, got drunk, smashed head on hotel lobby marble counter, got concussion that prevented me from lifting.

Second cut lasted maybe two months in the 9-11% range but I fucked the post cut reverse dieting protocol because I wanted to get strength back up.

I wouldn't say I'm much fatter, but definitely less tight, pic related.