What's the point?

>10k IUs
shit senpai, what the fuck are you doing?

leaving humanity behind

Isn't that much fishoil and vitamin d kind of pricy? Also I never kniw what brand to buy

I understand, fellas. But it just feels like shit to be so shit.

I'm weaker than so many girls and old men at my gym, it makes me want to quit it all

Should I buy test on the internet?

vitamin d, naw. you can get 2 bottles of 365 1000 IU pills for 8$ at costco.

Test won't fix you being a little bitch.
It will take you a couple of months to outlift 99% of girls and old men. Stop wasting your time.

I worked hard to get 130x5 bench, 225x5 deadlift and then I realized thats what any healthy male does in 1 month of lifting.

I'm sick of this, I just want to be strong and fit

>Should I buy test on the internet?
NO
Get your diet in check first
Cut down to 10% bodyfat

Then hop on
Posting some basic AAS tips

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NOTES

Oral only is a waste of time, always run a test base.
Cycling is a waste of time, we blast and cruise.
If you're fat and want to do steroids start with 200mg Testosterone/week and do a PSMF until you're 8% before you start blasting.
Steroids work better when you're low bodyfat, anytime you reach 14% BF cut to 8% before bulking again.
Ancillaries should always be pharma. Indian generics are fine.
Take 12.5mg Aromasin ED on high doses of aromatising compounds, adjust the aromasin dosage depending on how you feel.
Take 12.5mg Aromasin E3D on low doses of aromatising compounds, adjust the aromasin dosage depending on how you feel.
If your nipples are puffy/sore/itchy take 30mg Raloxifene ED and up the aromasin dosage.
Orals have short have lives so split the dosage to 3x a day when possible.
Take 0.5mg caber E5D on Nandrolone
Recomping is a waste of time, always cut and bulk.
Don't drink alchohol on orals.
RECOMENDED BLAST

The point of a blast is to put on as much muscle as possible while staying lean. Eat at a slight caloric surplus (300-500) and train hard.
Novice: 15 weeks of 500mg Testosterone/week + 75mg Epistane/ED (first 6 weeks)
Intermediate: 15 weeks of 750mg Testosterone/week + 750mg Nandrolone/week + 50mg Drol/ED (first 6 weeks)
Advanced: 15 weeks of 750mg Testosterone/week + 750mg Nandrolone/week + 500mg Trenbolone/week + 30mg Superdrol (4 weeks on, 2 weeks off)

RECOMMENDED CRUISE

The point of a cruise is to allow your body to recover and get ready for the next blast. Get a blood test to determine that your health markers are within range before you blast.
Novice: 150-250mg Testosterone/week
Advanced: 200-500mg Testosterone/week + 25mg Proviron/ED

[CONT..]

Are you me user?

>I dropped from 117 kgs to 75
>Can see abs and vascular as fuck when lifting
>Go to urologist because I can't cum during sex and don't feel much during blow/handjobs.
>turned out I have 317 ng/dl, went to my GP after that she told me "hurr it's normal cuz rangeses on that muchine saided it, talk to that urologist again".
>now I have to wait till mid october til I can see that urologist again(and get denied trt "cuz it rangeded on allowablelel ranged".
>Now I sometimes get thoughtts of why even live anymore, often get thoughts of just slitting my wrist cuz even a 80 year old man has better test than me.
>feel like I'm shrinking deeper into depression.

Fitness was the only think I had since I started turning my life around. I feel like I'm being robbed of my youth(normal sexual libido and sex drive).

[CONT..]

ORALS

Dianabol - good strength gains, causes lots of water retention, okay mass gains, very estrogenic, good feels, 30-60mg/day
Drol - great strength and mass gains, causes lots of water retention, run it alongside 30mg of raloxifene to prevent gyno, 50mg/day
Superdrol - king of orals, very liver toxic, great for bulking, crazy strength gains, make sure to eat plenty of carbs on superdrol to prevent you from going hypo, 10-30mg/day
Proviron - good for feels and libido, not very liver toxic meaning you can run it virtually indefinately, 25-100mg/day
Winstrol - dry oral, useful for making you look dry and vascular, decent strength gains, too harsh on joints to be run outside of contest prep, 50mg/day.
Anavar - mild oral, useful for cutting, makes you look lean and vascular, helps with tendon health, 20-50mg/day
Epistane - similar to anavar but gives better mass gains making it useful for bulking as well as cutting, 75mg/day
ESTERS

Esters simply determine the half life of the compound, they make no substantial difference other than how often you have to pin them to maintain stable blood levels.
Pin the following ED - ace, prop, phenylprop
Pin the following E3D - cyp, enan
Pin the following E5D - deca, undeca
LOW ESTRO SIDES

Irratability, mood swings, aggression, dry skin, itchy scalp, night sweats, low appetite, lethargy and no libido.
HIGH ESTRO SIDES

Water retention, acne, oily skin, moon face, aggression, depression, high blood pressure, sugar cravings, insomnia, lethargy and no libido.

[CONT..]

I've read that sticky already.

Wont I look retardedly skeletal if I get to 10% bf? How long should it take me so I dont lose all my (little) muscle mass?

[CONT...]

INJECTING

Always swab the vial and the injection site.
Always use a new needle.
Use a 23-27G needle for injecting.
Use a 21-23G needle for drawing.
Ventro glute, delts, quads, chest and lats are easy spots to pin.
Rotate injection sites to reduce scar tissue build up, don't pin the same spot more often then twice a week.
Warm the oil up by rolling the vial in your hands if your having problems with PIP.
Massage the injection spot post injection if your having problems with PIP.
REVERSING GYNO PROTOCOL

Drop to a cruise dose.
120mg Raloxifene for 3 months.
5mg Melatonin before bed.
Keep estro low, don't bother crashing it.
TRAINING

There's no perfect training program. Make sure you're hitting everything often and getting in enough volume. Your body can handle a lot more on roids.
PHAT is a good starting point for novices.
Personally I do Surge Nubret's program.
Remember to do your cardio, it's important on roids.
SUPPLEMENTS

Taurine - your going to want to take this to prevent painful pumps and cramping, 5g/day (preworkout)
Cialis - keeps your blood pressure down, 10mg/day
Accutane - useful for preventing acne, 5mg/day
NAC - useful for liver health, take it when your running tren or orals, 500mg/day
TUDCA - extremely useful for liver health, use it when your running toxic orals, 200-1000mg/day
CoQ10 - useful for cardiovascular health, 250mg/day
Niacin - extremely useful for lipids, 1g/day
Zinc - useful for reducing estro and lowering SHBG, 100mg/day

DIET

1.5g protein/lb of bodyweight
30-75g fat
The rest of your calories should come from carbs.
You want to eat at a 300-500 cal surplus while bulking.
Time your simple carbs around your training.
Refeeds are important while cutting, do a refeed every 7-10 days.
Digestive health is important; avoid infammatory foods.

[CONT...]

>Make a great effort to lose 120lbs
>FOREVER FUCKED due to loose skin
>Some faglord complains about a little beer belly
Fucking triggered. Kill yourself you piece of shit.

[CONT...]

GROWTH HORMONE (for intermediate/advanced users)

Pin 100mcg mod grf + 100mcg GHRP-2, 3x a day. Upon waking, pre workout and before bed.
Add 25mg MK-677 pre-bed if you want to get more from your peptides. Take the MK-677 for 4 weeks on, 2 weeks off.
If you want to get even more from your peptides take 100mcg Huperzine-A twice a day while on MK-677.
GLOSSARY

ED = every day
EOD = every other day
E#D = every # day
Estro = estrogen
Test = testosterone
Tren = trenbolone
Mast = masteron
Epi = epistane
Sdrol = superdrol
Ace = acetate
Prop = propionate
Cyp = cypionate
Enan = enanthate
Deca = decanoate
PSMF = protein sparing modified fast

I have horrible stretchmarks dumbdumb

I was way more obese

You have way too much bodyfat for the test to work

>How long should it take me so I dont lose all my (little) muscle mass?

As long as it takes

Stretchmarks don't mean jack shit. They fade and are hardly noticeable.

Might still have low test bruh, I've got just as low test as OP but I still got definition.

>waaah i want everything now.

You can't look worse than you already do, so put the fucking work in to lose the fat, then you will have a much better time getting big and strong, roids or no roids.

Post pic m8

They're noticeable in person up close

And I have them ALLL over my body, literally everywhere

I'm just curious what timeframe to expect

couldn't I cut on a low dose too to speed it up?

fix your weight and diet first

if u have low bodyfat, eat REALLY good, supplement ZMA, sleep well work out 2-3 times a week and still are low test then think about medical TRT or self TRT (aka roids)

I jumped into roids because I was in very similair situation like you op (also 300ng/dl) but before doing that I was a healthnut and it didnt worked too much, it increased my test only by about 100ng/dl... So I started doing roids - but if your low test is an effect of your shitty lifestyle, then I wouldnt be surprised if improving it took you to 600-700 range

so buy some test ffs

It's alright, no one will get close to you because you're a whiny little cunt. So you don't need to worry about stretch marks.

>I'm just curious what timeframe to expect

About 6-7 months

>couldn't I cut on a low dose too to speed it up?

Yes. But you don't have the discipline to do it and would likely fail

6-12 months to get lean depending how hard you cut.

Seriously, if you're intent on roiding, then don't even worry about maintaining strength and muscle, you will gain what pissy little amount you have back and more within a month of test kicking in.

It's starting to look like you're subtly fishing for someone to tell you this can be done without dietary discipline. I'm sorry bro, but it can't.

There is NO way around a bad diet.

If I lose 4lbs a month wouldn't it only take like 3 months?

It's just I'm weak as fuck too so I want to get stronger.

My stats rn:
130x5 bench, 175x5 squat, 135x5 lat pulldown, 225x5 deadlift

>Subtly fishing
I'm not, I just want some inspiration. I just get really down about it when I'm putting in work but not seeing results. I want to see what I can expect and awaits me.

Just so when I'm grinding reps I see the light at the end of the tunnel and can think "Okay if I hit this set im that much closer to x"

Can you get low test from training to much? I've been going at it 6 days per week for a really long time, I've just recently stopped doing 40 mins of cardio after my weight lifting session.

That's a troll. Eating all that is gonna make your sweat smell like shit.

You're too scared of failure bro.
Giving up is the only true path to failure.

Stop wanting it all now. It will come with time IF you do what you need to do.
That is diet, for however long it takes, be that 3 or 30 months. Get lean. Eat CLEAN 100% of the time if you can. Cheat once every 2 weeks at most if you have to. The more discipline you have with diet, the easier it gets because soon enough, clean foods start tasting amazing and you lose the desire for junk food.

Stop thinking of lifting and dieting as failure or success. There is only a sliding scale of success if you are still going forward. Failure is only found in quitting.

You will get where you want if you stop wishing for it to happen easily and do what is necessary.

I've repeated myself a few times here but fuck you I DO WHAT I WANT.,

that's not gyno

test normalized at 15% bf. stop eating fattie

I have no money so i eat what my parents buy so it's hard to get macros and z consistent deficit desu

Maybe roids will make that easier since I've heard you can be looser with diet?

Doesn't it look like tits though? I feel lumps under my breast too unlrss that's normal

iktfb

Hang yourself op

Faggot

Bump fellas

Please help me

Read the sticky and fuck off

I've read it several times over

Bump. Come on fellas

I'd like to make it

Not everyone is the same. Keep at it.

Or find a better program. Or fix your nutrition. Consider that maybe you're doing a lot wrong and that's why your progress is what it is. If you want to know how to do more right: read.

GL hope this helped

Are you fucking kidding me that's not even close to gyno..
When you have gyno you have puffy nipples and they look disgusting.
Source : may or may not have gyno, but shit is fucked up

Lose fat and then work on your strength. Your BF% is too high for your lifting to have a visible impact beside fatloss (and you seem to be looking for visible, aesthetic results).

Do I have anything to work with?

Ill definitely cut.I'm like 205lbs right now, 180 or so should be gud right?

Btw the gyno I most likely do have. It's a bad pic. My nipples are almost always puffy except when I come out of cold shower or lift or smthin. Looks bad

then do it yourself???

wtf is wrong with you?

Pls reply

you're just fat you autist

>Can feel lumps
>Puffy nips
>Not fat enough to have mantits

>Not fat enough to have mantits

yes you are lmao

I thought mantits was like passing 30%? That's different than what this suggests

You're between 25 and 30

>If you have been lifting, I guarantee its for less than a year, probably less than 6 months. Which means nothing and is nowhere near as long as it took you to look so disgusting.
I'm in the exact same spot as OP. I have a beer gut and a shit bod but I'm not sure whether I should cut or increase my weight.

F U C K
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wow that's mean

This chart is only representative man. If you're losing a lot of weight (i've lost 105lbs fat and added 45lbs lean tissue so far) your body is going to be unique in it's look and style. Parts of my gut still look like the 30% in these photos but my BodPod measurements for the last 3x have measured me decreasing from 25% to 20%. I have a tiny waist with super wide shoulders and thick muscled legs. So it all just depends.
Mantits and fat bags will be unique to you.

Bump

Thats not gyno you retard, you are just fat.