So Veeky Forums, I know he is not a reliable source, but lately I was watching and reading things that Varg wrote, and I found out he doesn't really believe in his pagan gibberish, and claim that pre-christian europe never believed in any supernatural being. Source: >[1] burzum.org/eng/library/a_bards_tale08.shtml >[2] youtube.com/watch?v=CAetDRkTcxo
This claim is very similar to the conclusion of Veyne in his book "Did Greeks believe in their myths?"
How much truth can it be? Since Myth is not the same as religion, and since Greece is far from being that similar to Scandinavia (although their mythologies has the same source), where pagans in general pretending there are gods?
If so, what was the role of the sorcerer and the icons they made?
someone's piety is wholly their own business and anything short of mind-reading and psychiatric tests (if you worship demons/greek gods...) would not be sufficient to know.
Blake Rivera
They believed that the gods were supernatural forces, that ALSO took anthropomorphic forms.
Easton Davis
but where they praying for their gods, or these gods were only symbols to the forces of nature/aspects of humanity?
are there any other sources supporting Varg into this? Is an intervening God a jewish creation?
Ryan Young
They certainly did and Varg is just trying to cope with the lunacy of being pagan in modern times
Jordan Garcia
>or these gods were only symbols to the forces of nature/aspects of humanity? thats a enlightenment era concept that never had any real proof of. Even egyptian gods who most closely resemble 'embodiement' theory did not actually perform any actions that would be evidence of them performing an anthromorphized mascot role in their society.
Jacob Powell
What did I just say? The gods were both the supernatural force and actual beings with feelings and character flaws.
>are there any other sources supporting Varg into this?
It's a fairly idiotic assertion, so I doubt it.
>Is an intervening God a jewish creation? >Has not read the Iliad or the Odyssey
John Garcia
How'd I fucking know it was Varg before I clicked the links? Guy is not a reputable source, and is just some murderous church burning spaz?
Anyways, read ancient sources. I'm reading The Meditations by Marcus Aurelius, and he's constantly talking about Logos, and The Gods. He is deeply religious. If he lived a few hundred years later, he'd be Christian, and very little of his text would need to be changed.
The educated elite were likely the least religious and most philisophical, but even they believed in God and Gods. The regular people were likely less sophisticated and took the religions more at face value.
Why is Hellenic or Roman religion any more absurd than Hindu-ism or any other polytheistic religion?
Kevin Turner
It's clear in classial greek primary source material that there were people who did not have literal belief in myths of anthropomorphic deities. Famous people like Plato clearly took issue with the tales told by earlier poets and envisioned the divine as something much different.
Ryan Harris
I understand your point. They wouldn't spend years building pyramids if they didn't believed in the metaphysical power of it.
>>Has not read the Iliad or the Odyssey the Odyssey was no religious book, and I mentioned Veyne already.
That's well reminded actually, I've read the Meditations. However, Marcus Aurelius never gives grace to a specific god, so I don't know if his piety was a role model.
>Why is Hellenic or Roman religion any more absurd than Hindu-ism or any other polytheistic religion? Have you ever read the Baghavad Gita? There is that scene when Krishna reveals its "true form". Apparently Hindus are Pantheistic rather than Polytheistic.
