1917

>1917
>40 000 czechoslovak legionaries in Russia
>they are supposed to be transported west, back to Europe, to continue fighting Germans
>transport proves logistically and materially difficult with the ongoing civil war and takes a long time
>14th of May 1918, Chelyabinsk
>soviets are also transporting back hungarian POWs
>one of the POWs throws a rock at a czechoslovak soldier
>soldier gets pissed and shoots him
>Trotsky hears about the incidents and orders complete disarmament of the whole legions and arrest of the perpetuators
>czechoslovaks refuse to comply
>storm the building, free their arrested brothers and arm themselves
>basically take over Chelyabinsk that day
>incident sparked revolts at other places along the Trans-Siberian Railway
>suddenly czechoslovak legions started winning one victory over the Reds after another
>July 1918
>Legions control the whole railway from Vladivostok to Samara
>conquer Yekaterinburg just a week after Nicolas II. and his family were exectued
>September 1918
>Legions control the whole Siberia
>take control of the Imperial Gold Reserve
>under their protection Whites start forming provisional Russian government
>legionaries help re-grouping and organizing the whole anti-bolshevik resistance
>hold all gains for a whole year until the end of 1919
>November 1918
>Reds quadrupled in numbers
>Whites started fighting each other and a dictator got into power
>meanwhile, thanks to legionaries efforts, czechoslovakia gained international support and became indedepent
>legionaries decide its not their business anymore and decide to go home
>Stalin immediately grants them free passage home, happy that he doesn't have to fight them anymore

How well known is the story of Czechoslovak Legions known?

It's one of the most famous parts of the Russian Civil War - however, the Russian Civil War is generally not one of the more popular discussion topics among history buffs, at least in the West.

And how do you got to know about it?
Legionaries are pretty glorified back here in their homeland, but only like on fourth of the people actually know anything about them

And just months later they were blocking Hungarian aid putting Europe at risk of Bolshevik invasion.
They lived long enough to become villains.

I'm ethnically Russian, so I'm more interested in that stuff than the average history buff.

Quite famous. Here in Australia many schools study the Russian Revolution and Soviet Union in highschool, the Czech Legionnaires are included in textbooks to show how chaotic the Civil War became.

Excellent story

They were excellent men

There was nothing villanious about stopping magyar schemes

Well from the Bolshevik perspective as it would've allowed them to go past Poland, Hungary and Czechoslovakia into Germany.

>take over the empty wasteland while all fight on the west
"""""""""impressive"""""""""""""

>Poland and Hungary decide that Bolshevik expansion into Europe must be stopped
>Czechoslovakia cheers Bolsheviks and claims that everyone must surrender to them
And you guys wonder why no one helped you in 1938.

My grandmother once told me her father was a legionare. She gave me his mess kit (pic related). Don't know much more about him. I do not live in Czechia, so I don't even know where I could get to learn more.

It sucks to be great-granddad of an Amerimutt

Bolsheviks are less of a threat than Pollacks.

But they did fought against the Hungarian Soviet republic. Once they arrived, they turned the tide of Czecho-Magyar war and with cheeky banter supported by a division of imaginary niggers liberated Slovakia.

Russian Civil War thread?

Name me one recorded war crime comitted by Second Polish republic, and it better not be Danzig meme.

>tfw your ancestor was implicated in counter-revolution
shameful

Attack on an innocent German radio station.

Does she have any documentation or at the least any stories? Either way that’s pretty neat.

What’s with the rise in commies here recently?

>Stalin

that wasn't stalin's call, it was tortsky. Stalin was not particularly relevant in the Civil War period, he managed the internal party apparatus and fucked up the war in Poland (on the opposite end of the front where the Czechs were)

It's not well known because it's such a massive clusterfuck.

You have Bolsheviks, "Whites" (in truth not a unified army but a huge collection of monarchists, clergy, nationalists, generals, petty thugs & corrupt warlords, madmen, westernphile intellectuals, foreigners, centrists to far-rightist thinkers, etc.), non-bolshevik socialists, classical liberals, centrist nationalists, germanophiles and anti-germanics, mensheviks, germans, austrians, czechs, anglo-americans, French, latvians/lithuanians/estonians, Finns, Romanians, Poles, Ukrainian nationalists, Ukrainian socialists, Ukrainian non-bolshevik socialists, turks & turkish nationalists, armenians, georgians, azeri's, neo-timurid central asian nationalists, central asian pan-islamists, manchurians, anarchists, and peasants all at each others throats in a very convoluted timeline.

Kiev alone was taken like 9 times over the course of 2 years by a mix of reds, whites, poles, Cossacks, Mongolians, Nationalist Chinese, Ukrainian non-bolshevik socialists, ukrainian nationalists, and germans.

>Nationalist Chinese and Mongolians
Tell me more please

To be more specific on what a clusterfuck Kiev alone was:

-April 1917: Tsarist elements driven out by Ukrainian nationalists, controlled by the Rada but still part of the Russian Provisional Government
-November 13th 1917: Bolsheviks launch an uprising in Kiev in concert with their operations in Moscow and Petrograd. Kiev taken with some Rada support
-November 22nd 1917: Rada changes its mind, drives Bolsheviks out. Ukraine declares independence from Russia
-February 1918: Bolsheviks retake Kiev
-April 1918: Germans drive Bolsheviks out of Kiev and make it the capital of their puppet Hetmanate regime
-January 1919: Hetmanate elements, without German support, lose to renewed Bolshevik attack which retakes Kiev
-March 1919: Kiev retaken by Symon Petlura's Ukrainian People's Republic
-May 1919: Polish forces briefly occupy Kiev during their war with the UPR. UPR takes over following a withdrawal
-September 1919: Bolsheviks retake Kiev from UPR
-May 1920: Polish & UPR forces, now working together, capture Kiev from Bolsheviks
-June 1920: Bolsheviks launch new offensive and recapture Kiev
-July 1920: UPR insurgents occupy Kiev in a last-ditch uprising
-August 1920: Kiev retaken by Bolsheviks, this time permanently

Chinese warlord Duan Qirui's regime (the Beiyang government first established by Yuan Shikai) sent troops to occupy parts of Siberia, ostensibly under Allied approval, in 1918 as part of a landgrab to get all of Outer Mongolia. This eventually caused a 3 (sometimes 4) way war between Bolsheviks, Chinese, Mongolian Communists, and supports of the Mongol Boghd Khan backed by the White General Baron Ungern von Sternberg. There was lots of fighting all across Outer and Inner Mongolia and Mongolia proper until the Bolsheviks and Communist Mongols eventually prevailed (Sternberg was captured/executed, Chinese driven out and eventually came to support the Bolsheviks against the Japanese in Vladivostok, and the Boghd Khan was deposed).

The Russian civil war is a huge met, wherever it was

it's an academically inclined board so the posters tend to be more well read

But explain the commies

Academic institutions are are mostly Marxist

Existing.

While I was in school they removed History as a class and replaced it with social sciences (which was already taught alongside history).

t. Australian

>slavs chimp out in slavland
>get deported
>this is somehow heroic

kekkoslowakia was a mistake

Nothing you wrote was accurate.

Legions control whole of Siberia

They only conquered the Trans Siberia Railway.

Bolsheviks kill people, collectivize farms and send people to gulags while the pollacks can't even leave their mother's basement.

RCW is the most interesting period to me. I always identified more with the White Emigre than anyone else.

T. Cuban Exile

Any good books on them? Can be in czech too.

Basically the only part of Siberia that mattered at the time. The rest was wilderness in the most absolute sense to the point a giant Meteor that easily could have annihilated an entire city impacted out there and no one even fucking saw it.

Ayyy lmao

Now that's interesting as fuck. Thank you user.

god i wish this were true

>Za tristalety utisk (1620-1920)
>oppressed for 300 years

I forget how historically aware 19th/early 20th century nationalism was...for those who dont know, thats a reference to the 30 Years War, the failed rebellion by Bohemian Protestant nobles, and the subsequent enforcement of Catholicism (ive read this is the reason Czechs are so ambivalent to religion) and Austrian domination of the Czech lands

also, on this sick Legion banner, the use of Hussite symbols (the chalice & mace)