Lenin 2017

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I'm not read in the subject at all, but I have a question. Maybe a stupid one...
What would be the strategy to attract and unite people to this new revolutionary left? Especially given how polarizing society and politics are today.
It seems that any momentum a new idea can gain would be counteracted by its antithesis?

>Autistic Burger Anarcunt red-liberals are all communists
Look at greece spain portugal etc

How the fuck did you find your way to this board, being as retarded as you are?
The whole point of the book is analyzing how the Soviet project failed.

Neither does the quotes imply that capitalism is dead, but rather that social democracy is in danger of eradicating g itself, giving way to more ruthless capitalism.

Next time you consider bashing your face against the keyboard in order to produce your latest greatest spew of gibberish, use the time to Google 'the principle of charity' instead.

In case you missed it, this is not, and was never intended to be, another bait thread where LARPing commies and stormfags can trade insults.
Thanks for fucking it up, now please remove yourself from the thread.

There is none since they were desperate and sold out to identity politics in order to appeal to minorities, so now, the left is nothing more than hatred of white people and the western world in general. It has died, and lived on as a farce.

>"CAPITALISM IS ABOUT TO DIE!" meme,
Im not going to shill for failed economic experiments buts its stupid to pretend capitalism will not eventually end

>spewing out talking points that have nothing to do with the conversation at hand and that address none of the points I have brought up like the trained seal you are
Again, how is a dead system somehow suppose to replace a supposedly failing system? How come communist have been saying "any day now, capitalism will fall!" for over 100 years to no effect? How come now, communism is nothing more than a LARPing farce? How come they all sound like doomsday preachers screaming about how christ will return any day now, so you best repent?

>All these sweeping broad statements
Tell me where in the French/Spanish/greek/Portugese/russian communists Manifestos they talk about hating white people

Are you actually trying to suggest that communist now are not obsessed with identity politics, and that the movement is not largly based around hatred of white people?
how come communist themselves were calling this out in the 80s while you pretend it doesnt exist at all now?
marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-8/oc-racism/other-side.htm

Get a load of these two fags guys
Go back to /pol/..

He pokes fun of people saying communism was never tried, in the book.
He freely admits it was tried, failed, and was doomed to fail.

>lose argument
>"go back to /pol/!"
yeah, thats what a thought. eat shit leftypol faggot.

>20 posts
>6 posters

>Are you actually trying to suggest that communist now are not obsessed with identity politics
yes i am implying that
Most people on the left asides from liberals Red-Liberal Anarcunts and SJWs give much of a shit about it
>and that the movement is not largly based around hatred of white people?
It isnt and never was
>how come communist themselves were calling this out in the 80s while you pretend it doesnt exist at all now?
Because those communists understood how stupid identity politics are

Once again i will ask
Show me where existing communist parties talk about hating and wanting to wipe out white people as policy

>still missing the point this bad
Your brain is fried m8, you ate too much ideology and now you are bursting at the seams

>Dont give much of a shit about it
fixed

Zizek is a complete sophist. The sooner he dies of heart failure, the better.

Not even the user you think I am..
You people need to take your flaming shitposts and blatant insults, somewhere else.
This place trys, TRYS to be a place for rational discussions.

Im not missing the point, Im calling you out for your sophistry and your clear attempt to avoid my questions, which you are still doing

>how is a dead system somehow suppose to replace a supposedly failing system? How come communist have been saying "any day now, capitalism will fall!" for over 100 years to no effect? How come now, communism is nothing more than a LARPing farce? How come they all sound like doomsday preachers screaming about how christ will return any day now, so you best repent?

You are beyond help

>Because those communists understood how stupid identity politics are
then why is it you are pretending it doesnt exist?
youtube.com/watch?v=3i6J2fcrKi8

Why are you choosing to ingore my questions and run away user?

>How come now, communism is nothing more than a LARPing farce?
Depends on the country desu

>then why is it you are pretending it doesnt exist?
I dont deny that identity politics exist and that quite a lot of leftists buy into them
I was just pointing out that an equal number of communists reject them

>That Vid
>A bunch of US Liberals ANTIFags and Anarcunts in their natural habitat
what does this prove?

>Depends on the country desu
This is a pretty bad argument. The only countries with communist symbolism left really are LARPing.

Because you're an illiterate retard

>i-its all americans fault! btw I hate identity politics!
youre adorable.

>lose argument
>shitpost

>The only countries with communist symbolism left really are LARPing.
Im Not talking about the goverments of countries im talking about the movements within countries

>Implying that 90% of this shit does not come out of the US/Australia/West-Euro

>wanting to wipe out white people as policy

>I was just pointing out that an equal number of communists reject them
Not true. At all. Identity politics were pioneered by the USSR in their bid to split the US racially. Nowadays communist parties still employ it. I had a family member involved with all that and left because he was sick that the entire thing was postmodern "cultural marxism". Also corruption.

>US/Australia/West-Euro
good job goalpost moving user. Wanna tell me where original communism in general originated as well?
pic related is what communism is now user.

OP here, back with another quote from the book, which mirrors mine and most of the people I know's feelings;

>The problem here is not terror as such - our task today is precisely to reinvent emancipatory terror. The problem lies elsewhere: egalitarian 'extremism' or 'excessive radicalism' should always be read as a phenomenon of ideologico-political displacement: as an index of an opposite, of a limitation, of a refusal effectively to 'go to the end'. What was the Jacobins' recourse to 'radical terror' if not a kind of hysterical acting-out bearing witness to their inability to disturb the fundamentals of the economic order (private property etc.)? And could we not even say the same about the so called 'excesses' of Political Correctness? Do they not also display a retreat from disturbing the effective (economic etc.) causes of racism and sexism?

At this point, the second coming of the Lord seems more likely than an actually working communist regime

Yes, USA was a race-blind society before communists came to power in Russia!
>this is your brain on /pol/

yes, but how is this paranoid witch hunting shit not intrinsically part of communism?

Where did I say race blind? I get it, it's easier to argue with someone when you can make their arguments for them. Identity politics lead to the development of idea's like the progressive stack and degrees that cater to victimhood mentality.

not him, but he is right. The USSR are even the ones who created the conspiracy theory that the US government created AIDS in a secret lab to kill all black people. Even today, Russia was supporting shit like BLM.

article from the official communist party of america saying how identity politics is important
cpusa.org/article/bill-maher-karl-marx-and-identity-politics/

You realize that that Christman tweet is ironic, right? He's not a Maoist.

>he was only pretending to be retarded-the post

yes, nice, some random schmuch from twitter said something about le hwite genocide, that definitely makes every communist alive kill white people on sight

>lle ironic ;)!
sure thing, just like all those post from alt-right fags about loving hitler are """"ironic"""""

>some random schmuch from twitter
this nigga has his own wikipedia page
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Ciccariello-Maher

aaand? does that wiki page give him some mystic powers to control every communist's way of thinking?

>some random schmuch from twitter
>is actually someone who is of some importance to the point of him having an online presence and also being a professor

I like how this thread is nothing more than communist playing damage control of the fact that their failed meme movement is nothing more than identity politics.

The fact that capitalism has not fallen yet does not make it a "good" system but rather is something to be concerned about considering how rich social classes are getting richer when at the bottom of the ladder the times to come are not looking so great. Add to that the potential (and probable) ecological crisis to come and you find yourself with an unstable system who will favour a minority who owns the capital (mostly without deserving it) who has all power and protection while the many are stuck to poverty, without means to escape it and facing the consequences of capitalism (pollution, hunger, drought etc etc...) with no protections.

Hey are you French by the way?

How convenient for you, you "intellectual".

Is my English that much baguette ?

>implying it's not a good thing people are staying in the thread, engaging with the posts, instead of just dropping in with a shitpost never to be seen again
I think you might be on the wrong board hermano

>I like how this thread is nothing more than communist playing damage control of the fact that their failed meme movement is nothing more than identity politics.

I mean if that's the way you see it then yeah sure.

QFT

Your posts. It's like a Frenchman on pol

He's right,that's pretty clearly what it is and many threads on his are. IDK you faggots keep denying it

Kys

Got my first Zizek book after listening to some of his stuff and I got to say, his writing is pretty much how he speaks so it's an entertaining and interesting read so far.

I will gladly kill every single one of these animals if they ever try to subject us again. Decades of protests and uprisings should've given them a hint.

Yes USA was race-blind society before *bolsheiviks and marxist* came , radicalized minorities, subverted our culture and invaded academia. Fixed that for you.

Are you memeing? I can't tell.

Communists aren't human.

Thank you for your non-contribution.
Now do us and yourself a favor and end your pathetic life.

>Tries to be a place for rational discussion
>Nothing but autistic screeching in this thread
Like communism, this too has failed.

>more ruthless capitalism

Like we had in the 19th century?

Sign me the fuck up

>oh neat a thread on the new Zizek book
>hmmm that’s a lot of replies, I hope mindless idiots didn’t immediately derail it and it just has some really interesting quotes
I hate this board so fucking much, delete this mistake and just let us go back to Veeky Forums, please god.

>just run off to muh echo chamber and ignore glaring flaws in communism!

>we must make a clear break with the twentieth century communist experience
what a load of shit
stalin did more for communism than anyone else in human history

Oh boy the tankies are here.

tankie is a meaningless insult because anarchists and liberals throw it at literally everyone

>much good guy Stalin
The only thing Stalin was responsible for were failed extremely costly counteroffensive son 1941 and 1942, gosplan and contracted American industrial engineers did literally everything

prove me wrong
who else put communism into action more than him

>communism
State capitalism

Zizek is a plebeian sophist who only appeals to bougie Western white dudes larping as communists.
There's a reason that he's every fascist's favorite communist and has become a symbol of the reactionary NazBol movement.

No actual leftist takes this chucklefuck seriously anymore.

Irony is the last refuge of the scoundrel

>just let us go back to Veeky Forums, please god.

Noone's stopping you, cunt

>No actual leftist

>Stalinism: the ideology and policies adopted by Stalin, based on centralization, totalitarianism, and the pursuit of communism.

Normies rate him higher than leftists for sure (in that him and Chomsky are the only living ones they've ever heard of) but it's not as though contemporary leftists ignore him.

It's true, Zizek isn't even left-wing anymore.
He's ascended (or descended, if you will) into the Hegelian synthesis (or so they think they are) that is NazBol.
His reactionary dismissal of trans issues, for one, is extremely troubling.

>but it's not as though contemporary leftists ignore him
They don't ignore him, but they dismiss him. Over the past two years or so, particularly the last year, he's become a bit of a pariah, particularly among Western European communists.

>the pursuit of communism
Which, for Stalin and his successors, was state capitalism. Where is the USSR today?

Man you see like one of my posts and you judge me ? Rude.

>race blind society
>literally has restrooms for whites and for blacks.

>Žižek
>americans
>/pol/

>I'm going to take all the property, seize all the capital and make everyone work for me
>somehow, through my actions, we will achieve a stateless, classless society

The quote in OP specifically warns about overt nationalism.

1/10, try again

God damn it, why can we never have any nice threads on here? No one even pretended to talk about the actual book in question ffs.

You autists are the absolute worst.

Seriously, why do you faggots make these threads, are faced with debate, and IMMEDIATELY revert to shitposting? What the hell is wrong with you? You praise zizek, zizek calls out SJW shit that infects the left, but when someone else suggest that SJW is inherent in the left now, you respond by trying to imply it doesnt even exist at all.

>God damn it, why can we never have any nice threads on here?
leftypol are children incapable of articulating any actual point. All they can do is post quotes by other people, then call you a name when you question the logic of that quote. They do this in literally every thread they make

Piss off

>literally proving my point

Is there any actual concrete reason to think that social democracy is fucked, or is Zizek just seeing what he wants to see?
To me it seems that SocDem is fine, it just needs to correct course a bit to make sure right-wing populism doesn't grow any further.