>be barbarian crusader >conquer jerusalem, massacre everyone who isn't christian (including jews) and let only christians partake in pilgrimages >be muslim >reconquer jerusalem >let survivors leave in peace despite being in position to have your revange, let everyone be free to take pilgrimages to jerusalem if their wanted, doesnt matter what religion
>be ottoman empire >let christians and jews leave in peace place them under your protection despite being in position to force everyone to either convert or die >be european country >hate muslims, opress and genocide jews >colonize every part of globe, genocide natives, have 0 compassion for fellow human beings Why were europeans so barbaric? How could they consider themselves to be followers of jesus christ despite genociding natives, oppressing different religions and other horrible stuff?
>be barbarian crusader Crusaders came from civilised lands, not barbarian ones. >conquer jerusalem, massacre everyone who isn't christian (including jews) and let only christians partake in pilgrimages Jerusalem was liberated, not conquered. The Jerusalem massacre is an exaggerated fable. Heretics cannot be pilgrims. >be muslim >reconquer jerusalem That's "conquer again", not "reconquer". >let survivors leave in peace And continue invading Europe until WWI. >let everyone be free to take pilgrimages There was a mosque in Constantinople while it was being pillaged by the Muslims. >be ottoman empire They enslaved, raped and slaughtered Christians. >be european >colonize every part of globe The world should be eternally grateful for that. European imperialism was the greatest strike against barbarism in all human history.
If anything, Europeans were too soft towards rest of the world.
Owen Harris
>[bombs internally]
Jaxon Young
>when we conquer stuff its good >but when people fight back its bad holy shit the state of eurocentrics
Ryder Gutierrez
>Saladin
I don't know if this is a joke lumping Persians in with African muslims or just plain ignorance.
Alexander Morales
>Heretics cannot be pilgrims. kek
Nathaniel Reyes
>despite being in position to force everyone to either convert or die lmao
Carson Wright
>comparing a just, pious kurdish leader to inbred decadent t*rks who defiled islam
Luis Davis
>According to Jonathan Riley-Smith, Scott's portrayal of Saladin was that of a "modern [19th-century] liberal European gentlemen, beside whom medieval Westerners would always have made a poor showing".[125] Despite the Crusaders' slaughter when they originally conquered Jerusalem in 1099, Saladin granted amnesty and free passage to all common Catholics and even to the defeated Christian army he was expert in humiliating christcucks and their knights, based BLACK saladin, even richard lionheart seen him as a superior and wanted him to marry his sister to him so that his dynasty would get some BLACK genes >Richard proposed that his sister, Joan of England, Queen of Sicily, should marry Saladin's brother and that Jerusalem could be their wedding gift.
Xavier Flores
Did they really depict Saladin as Black ?
Henry Young
kek was this game made by the alt-right?
Noah Gomez
>kurds >black
Luis Scott
Are there even non europeans / anglos on the internet? What are their computers made out of, mud and sticks?
Andrew Wilson
>we >implying you are not just a white cuck shitposting
Grayson Morgan
That is a edit of Mali's ruler from civ5
Colton Morgan
they used same model for saladin in crusades scenario
Julian Phillips
They were lazy as fuck with those scenarios.
Jeremiah Adams
You're forgetting the Mameluke invasion of Jerusalem where they massacred the cities inhabitants,
Or when they completely destroyed Antioch Or when the zengids destroyed edessa Or when the Seljuks destroyed many cities in Asia minor
Grayson Roberts
Why is Lebron James cosplaying as Saladin?
Jace Cox
Go biji biji somewhere else you nignog. They don't have a wifi connection in the cuckshed and tyrone doesn't want to trip over cables while he is fucking their wives/gfs.
Cameron Gutierrez
The greeks had it coming.
Austin Green
>Mudslimes physically remove Christians during the first crusades from the city where they could find them >obviously some hid >user still wonders why fewer Christians were killed by the Muzzies via civil policy
Juan Ross
>millions of christians still exist in the middle east >pagans almost don't in europe
LARPers don't count btw.
Asher Price
Levant and Egypt were christian first.
Dylan Lewis
Yeah the pagans were converted after their rulers accepted baptism and brought missionaries to christianize their subjects. Not through genocide. Which is the same thing which happened to Zoroastrianism, Hindu/Buddhism, tengriism in Asia.
Christianity used to be the majority in the Middle East until Islamic jihad wiped out most of the major areas that Were Christian(Assyrian areas in Iraq that we're devastated by Timor, Syrian cities destroyed by Mamelukes, Copts who made up majority of Egyptian population until the persecutions of the 12-13th centuries, ottoman ethnic cleansing of minorities, destruction of Antioch and edessa)
Jayden Mitchell
And before that?
Jacob Mitchell
>be blonde 7' direct descendents of the gods themselves >ride out across the world on chariots from Hyperboria >conquer everything >jews think you're demons >they invent christcuckery to subvert you >disregard faggot jesus' pacifist bullshit for a heritical warrior faith becausr it's your nature >kill more sandniggers >faggot cries about it 900 years later Stay mad
Jonathan Ross
greek then roman
Austin Lewis
>let survivors leave in peace Pretty sure they enslaved everyone who couldn't pay a ransom
John Kelly
>disregard faggot jesus' pacifist bullshit for a heritical warrior faith becausr it's your nature literally what
Isaiah Gonzalez
The more you learn about the Crusades, the more clear is it that the crusaders were just evil incarnated.
Sebastian Carter
You are ridiculous and your post is ridiculous.
Chase Nguyen
The absolute state of /pol/acks. Go back to your containment board.
Jose Hughes
Those aren't religions bruh. Besides are you just gonna ignore the multitude of other civilizations that resided in these areas to promote your eurocentric/pol/ tier autism?
Nolan Jenkins
All good up until your pol bullshit I will refine it for ya. It doesnt matter what race whoever had upper hand would have done exact same shit whites did. China was really onto it but Ming went back to agriculture throwing away what really would have been Sinocentric History of mankind. They would have done same shit just as any others of that time. To say whites did good is wrong but to say whites are the problem is wrong because anyone would have done it and everyone was doing it against everybody.
Cameron Nelson
This folks, is why you don't go on /pol/
Samuel Cook
>ohnononono he don't count because reasons durr at least pretend you have a brain and not post retarded shit
Lincoln Taylor
>fight back Lol, shut up. Middle East was the Christian heartland. >we Kys
Easton Ramirez
enslaved doesn't mean that they are tortured daily within inch of their lives you fucking moron. The winners had to do something and they absolutely withheld themselves from doing the absolute worse
William Baker
Immediately btfo Stay mad, heathens.
Luis Taylor
Replace 'Eurocentric' (lmao) with cockroaches.
Luis Hernandez
tell me again how you went to church and read bible everyday and say grace before every meal, you larping jew muppet
Owen Johnson
He's right on everything, though.
Jordan Campbell
That's not even hard to do you puffy-nipped little soyboy.
Kayden Gomez
>attack the Christian heartland in the Levant >kill or force convert every Christian you come across >destroy the last vestiges of Classical Antiquity in you barbarity >only two countries are able to fight back >conquer Christian Spain >take millions of Christian slaves in the process >banChristian pilgrims from visiting their holy land >fast forward, Christendom is far stronger now >they respond to your slave raids on their land by ravaging North Africa >they're driving you out of Spain >their leader in Rome commands the devout to take up arms, and, finally after centuries of one-way aggression, beat the shit out of you in Anatolia >retake their holy land and kill the ones responsible for the centuries of suffering >faggot liberals cry about it 900 years later >self-defense contradicts pacifism lol
William Sullivan
lol bro you know nothing about the islamic expansion or the crusades how does it feel to just repeat talking point rooted in a reactionary and ahistorical conception of the past rather than actually educate yourself
Jeremiah Lewis
>lol bro
Colton Long
bro...read a book bro maybe something introductory about early islam in north africa so u can stop repeating the silly conquest myth
Cameron Flores
t. muhammad al-butthurti
Tyler Gray
>be roach larper >make an abhorrent post
Xavier Phillips
nice you save that picture of a dick to your computer?
Jackson Anderson
I did not make it.
Oliver Davis
>t. muhammad al-butthurti kek
Nathan Foster
The Levant was not Christianity's heartland, but it's holy land. The undisputed centers of the Church by the 7th century was Rome and Constantinople, with the Levant having already spent decades under non-Christian Sassanid rule (and Jerusalem only recently having turned majority Christian). And it's an absurd proposition to say the Arabs killed or converted every Christian, since there are several sources throughout every century pointing out large, native Christian populations that survived well into modern times. And the 'last vestiges' of Classical Antiquity was destroyed in a series of waves starting in the 3rd century and sweeping east into the 6th century. There were several nations at the time who not only fought back, but also allied with the Arabs or were themselves weakened by attacks from these two countries you refer to. Then, before the Crusades the slave population in the Middle East was far more skewed to Iranian, Turkic, and Swahili slaves while in the Maghreb there were pagan Berber and Slavic slaves on top of the massive depopulation over several centuries of plague and barbarian migrations, making it unlikely there were millions of Christian slaves in this period. And then, the notion that pilgrims were banned from the Levant is even more ridiculous since we have several famous journals by Christian pilgrims traveling to the Holy Land, all in a period known for an explosion of pilgrimage and sea travel.
Aaron Myers
Not to mention that the North Africans as a whole were keen to throw off the shackles of Byzantine influence. Life under Muslim rule was quite a bit more relaxed (not to imply idealistically that they were somehow more benevolent, but they did not have the numbers to force large-scale conversions).
Eli Brown
Not that the first Arab conquerors were interested in large-scale conversions. The only ones they ever accepted during the first few generations were military defections, personal household slaves, and powerful local clans. And even these they kept religiously and ethnically segregated from themselves for fear of diluting their bloodlines and supposed divine favor.
Justin Myers
Looks like MC Ride
Austin Foster
I'm aware- of course the ethnic character to early Islam ebbed away after the Umayyad fall, although Arab chauvinism against Berber groups definitely still manifested throughout history (and today desu)
Nicholas White
First post best post
The Saracen heathens showed no mercy to christians in anatolia, the levant, or the balkans.
Unfortunately we western europeans were too late to liberate our Christian brothers in the east because of so much infighting.
Juan Torres
>mali Pretty sure it's songhai.
Brandon Flores
>tfw couldve had a civilized helleno-christian middle east but the ar*bs and t*rks ruined it all
Owen Davis
I think I can smell you from here...
Luke Price
>massacre everyone who isn't christian (including jews) >including jews Based crusaders
Hudson Green
they used the same model for the Vandal leader in the fall of rome scenario lol
>>be ottoman empire >>let christians and jews leave in peace place them under your protection despite being in position to force everyone to either convert or die
THE COUNTRY THAT COMMITTED THE FIRST MODERN GENOCIDE. HAHAAHAHAHA I LOVE NIGGER POSTING NOW. THIS SHIT's GOOD.
Nathaniel Turner
How can one person be so wrong on everything
Logan Rodriguez
>medieval Europe >>>>civilized lands
Ryder Gonzalez
Saladin was a Kurd, not a Persian.
Samuel Ward
>Islam: Christian and Jewish communities existed through the middle east all the way to the gulf for centuries >Christianity: not a single Pre-modern Muslim community in any place governed by European Christians, Jews exist only in small communities for the annual christian sport of pogroming and genociding jews because someone caught the fever, only exist in moderate numbers in eastern europe among more tolerant Christians Why do Christians LARP as civilized when they were extremely barbaric for their time? do they think today's situation reflects on the past? are they not aware that they were the sandniggers/degenerates of the past?
Obviously from a historical viewpoint, applying modern standards is the epitome of pseudo-intellectualism and retardation and a sign of low IQ. But if morals were to be objectively viewed through the 9th-15th centuries, most Muslim-dominant states were infinitely better to live under as a 'different' person rather than he gamble of "will I get torn out of my bed and burned on a stake/hacked up" life of non-Christians (and Christians too who don't adhere to the local majority sect, such as protestant minorities in catholic majorities and vice-versa).
Adrian Nelson
>Edessa >Greeks
Jose Powell
How do you even remember to breath properly?
Christian Martin
>destroy the last vestiges of Classical Antiquity in you barbarity That was a popular pass-time sport for Christians. Muslims preserved antiqual knowledge and history whenever they found it, alot of what we know of ancient greeks was translated and preserved for centuries by Arabs in the massive Library at Baghdad. Most of what was in-store with Christians (at Constantinople) was burned or destroyed by Christian crusaders (lmaoing at 1 way aggression)
Grow up you desu-vulting underage retard.
Jack Gomez
haha, wrong. read a book larper
Elijah Richardson
yeah it's Askia al-Hajj Muhammad of Songhai
Evan Stewart
sort of.......kurdish identity is p modern though and persian in origin
Hudson Garcia
Because the majority of this board is no more educated than pol, and base all their historical judgements on their feelings and video games. It's funny that the majority of these types bristle at the use of the term "eurocentrism", but if they had actually read Eurocentrism they would have had their ahistorical notion of permanent Western dominance seriously challenged.
Joshua Russell
So they preserved greek knowledge by taking it directly from greeks?
Alexander Mitchell
lol..... yes, scholars during the Islamic Golden Age preserved Greek texts, provided commentaries, and advanced metaphysics while europeans were engaging in dumbass tribalism the crusades were only a victory for the europeans in that this knowledge was retransmitted back into europe
Nolan Baker
>muh dark ages
"Islamic" golden age was just a bunch of arabs taking credit for Greek/Roman, Persian and Indian advancements.
Carter Ward
>THE COUNTRY THAT COMMITTED THE FIRST MODERN GENOCIDE. thats not religious wars of europe thats not famine of irish thats not prussian attemps to genocide poles fuck off, armenian genocide didn't happen and few armenians who were killed there were murdered by kurds, not turks
Luke Rivera
lmao that's not germany :^) (and i mean in southwestern africa, not the holocaust)
Kayden Myers
imagine being this ignorant europeans during the dark ages were taking credit from grecoroman civ muslims were busy preserving and advancing their philosophy
Dylan Ross
You seem to forget where they got all the information they "preserved",
Robert Anderson
what do you mean are you that troubled by the idea of an academic continuity? greeks lifted from egyptians (and made advancements). romans lifted from greeks (and sort of made advancements). of course the arabs were influenced by what came before. why should their civilization be held to different standards?
Daniel Baker
Muslims have a profit motive to have nonMuslims. Christians do not as much.
Isaac Long
damn that's that historical materialist analysis i don't see enough of on this board
Noah Rogers
this has yet to be properly debunked by deus vult roleplayers
Alexander Young
>literally kill the roman empire
>we preserved nawlege tho!!!!
Austin Mitchell
literally what are you on about islamic society continued the academic legacy from both persia and the byzantine empire while western europe was chucking spears
Eli Russell
>That's "conquer again", not "reconquer".
Hudson Richardson
Nice reddit spacing, retard. >Kill the roman empire You got the wrong empire, the Roman empire was killed by Christianity (and the pretender-Romaioi LARPer faggots called the Byzantines were also killed again by Christianity when crusaders were pissed off about being brushed out of the levant repeatedly and decided to call the Byzantines heathen heretics and sack constantinople) Why are all desuvoltards historically illiterate?
Lincoln Price
either way it still would have been buttfucked my mongols
Hudson Morales
>believing this maybe if the byzantines weren't so shit to their subjects the north africans and levantines would have actually resisted islam effectively
Elijah Carter
Christians from the Byzantine Empire preserved the works of the Greeks and translated them into Syriac for the Muslims, you ignorant retard.
>talking about LEVANTINE/ANATOLIAN BYZANTINE HISTORY >links a book to Spanish Andalusia
John Collins
>Thinking that the book only talks about Andalusia
Kayden Campbell
i wouldn't trust that scholar on islamic spain let alone the eastern med, an area totally out of his specialty
Nicholas Thomas
Fuck off Gibbon you absolute retard.
Adrian Powell
>The undisputed centers of the Church by the 7th century was Rome and Constantinople Wrong right off the bat. The Pentarchy was made up of five cities, Rome and Constantinople were the two most important. But the majority of these cities (Antioch, Jerusalem and Alexandria) were located in the Levant region. Egypt and Syria were more Christianised than Europe at the time of the Arab conquest, which was still filled with pagans.