Was the National Socialism the real political solution for the workers and farmers?

Was the National Socialism the real political solution for the workers and farmers?

The commies always claim that their system is for the "working class", but in reality bolschewik, chinese and even nowadays north koreans communists are only opressing the proleteriat and giving the fruits of their effort to the (((comunist party elites))), leaving the common folk they claim to take care of to starvation and misery.

While the Hitler's thought united the workers and farmers, improved their life from post-versailles and great depression, and united the entire German volk in a one idea. Gave them forests and fields, land and bread. Gave the unemployed good work in a good conditions they needed.

So isn't National Socialism technically... the only real system trully for the working class?

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tiniest brain take

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>getting rid of trash and degenerates
>something bad

>>>/leftypol/ bolschewik subhumans

Quality bait, 10/10

You wrote the sentence in a way it sounded like you do.

Anyway, Sieg heil!

No, because even if all that was true the Nazis would just start a stupid war and get fucked sideways, along with the workers and farmers.
Failure is inherit in the system. No matter what your intentions are it's all useless if you're too stupid to realise them

hitler's ideal was a highly regulated and subsidized economy. that employed everyone and produced so much that it was all affordable to the working man.

much like the modern US Democratic Party.

>Was the National Socialism the real political solution for the workers and farmers?
They saw their standard of living FALL under nazism you fucktarded chimp. Yes, even before the ruinous war.

>No, because even if all that was true the Nazis would just start a stupid war and get fucked sideways, along with the workers and farmers.
It's not hard to win a war for a good life for your volk when you are surrounded by the enemies, both external (Soviet bolscheviks, Komintern, financial (((Elites))) ruling secretely colonil empires) and internal (communists, reactionists, juden).

>Yes, even before the ruinous war.
"No".

They never had a coherent policy for either workers or farmers. Early on they were all about a new form of trade unionism, the socialism part of national socialism. It was a huge draw for brownshirt recruitment. Better working conditions without having to be a filty aetheist communist. When they actually got into power, there soon were a lot of Nazis seriously disillusioned with the party, and we know what happened to the brownshirts.

They must have been really stupid if they couldn't even win an easy war.
Look, I don't want to be the one to break this to you, but the nazis ultimately made everything worse for everyone with their actions. Much like you, it would have been better if they never existed

>ywn live in a timeline where conservative German farmers violently rebel against the revolutionary Nazi government

feelsbadman

>Was the National Socialism the real political solution for the workers and farmers?

NATIONAL SOCIALISM WAS, AND IS, THE REAL SOCIOPOLITICAL, AND SOCIOECONOMIC, SOLUTION FOR EVERYONE, REGARDLESS OF NATIONALITY, OR OF OCCUPATION.

rohm was a faggot crypto-bolschewik, who wanted to destroy the german industrialists instead of uniting them with the working class.

Good that he and his lovers got destroyed, the real brownshirts stayed with Hitler and built a real national socialism.

>take
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>bolschewist propaganda + hurr durr giving the industrialists something in exchange to unite them with the workers is something bad
Still the NS system was better for the working class than soviet collectivization poverty.

>le the nazis privatized a few small things like the steel industry therefore they were liberal capitalists
>Even though it's completely dwarfed by shit like Reichswerke Hermann Göring anyway

yawn

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t.

Have your (you) (((G*rm))) scum.

calm down schlomo

Easy now Hans Abdullah.....

>Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Getränk
Nietzsche war unrichtig, das ist die blödsinnigste Parole der Welt.

>being this mad
What's your problem? Are you envious of my Aryan race? I know you have a huge complexes because of your jude nose rabbi :)

Seeing the left as elitist is mainly a western thing. When you live under a third world dictatorship you'll hear the right's line of discourse mostly from those guys who step on your throat

>being this delusional
Lol your pathetic Reich lasted for only 12 years. Some master race you are. Enjoy getting cucked by Islam germanic mongolid.

LMAO XD UR A JOOOO U DONT LIKE NAZIS SO U JOO XDDDD U HAV BIG NOSE KEKE XD

>repeating meme phrases
ironic

Honestly, that's what I find most perplexing about Stomrfront types on Veeky Forums or elsewhere on the internet. They know that their views are the last thing from mainstream, but of course if you disagree, YOU MUST BE ONE OF (((THEM))). Just how many Jews and Jewish agents do they think there are?

nice disinfo schlomo

Nice anti semitism Nazi

>Hitler's thought united the workers and farmers
He didn't unite shit.
>improved their life from post-versailles and great depression
He didn't do this either.
>united the entire German volk in a one idea.
If your idea of "uniting" is throwing people who disagree with you into labor camps then okay
>Gave the unemployed good work in a good conditions they needed.
people were more dependent on the state than ever as the vast-majority of jobs were so lowpaying they had to seek governmental assistance to maintain their basic living standards

Read "The Wages of Destruction".

Your grandfather was a cuck and so are you.

>So isn't National Socialism technically... the only real system trully for the working class?

You're going to have to explain how the only nation that willingly fought communism to a significant extent and for the western white European man is cucked.

Ah yes, the greatest tactic to fight Bolshevism - invade a menagerie of capitalist countries and split Eastern Europe with the Soviet Union.

Truly, Hitler was a master.

>for the western white European man
Because enslaving and murdering hundreds of thousands of western white European men is so noble.

>""""murdering""""
That didn't happen.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oradour-sur-Glane_massacre

Yawn..... it didn't happen.

>It wasn't real in my mind

>Ah yes, the greatest tactic to fight Bolshevism - invade a menagerie of capitalist countries and split Eastern Europe with the Soviet Union.

28 million commies died in the German invasion. Poland had annexed part of Czech and Lithuanian lands. France declared war on Germany, not vice verse. Denmark, Norway, and Belgium were all siding with the allies but didn't nor couldn't contribute meaningful military effort.

>Because enslaving and murdering hundreds of thousands of western white European men is so noble.

Britain and France declared war on Germany.

Wages stagnated, income disparity increased, working hours increased, consumption declined, etc. It doesn't seem like that much of an improvement over the old regime.
Good book, but it feels lacking in tables and stats compared to Richard Overy's books. The Economics of World War II also has a section on the pre-war German economy.

>showing images from Stalin's gulags as proof "alledged" wrong doings by Germany.
Still didn't happen.

>Britain and France declared war on Germany.
Because Germany attacked Poland, who were guaranteed by Britain.

Does this look like a Soviet officer?

Do these look like Soviets?

What about these men?

Photoshopped false flag communist picture of Soviet NKVD officers dressed up as a German officer in order to frame Germany.

These?

>28 million commies died in the German
invasion.
Can I have a link to the ideological census carried on those 28 million?

>I-it's photoshopped
Not an argument

I wonder what they must have done?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl-Otto_Koch

>The trial resulted in Koch being sentenced to death for disgracing both himself and the SS.
>SS officer killed for mistreatment and theft.

>Guaranteed by Britain

So why did Britain and France "guarantee" a country that was bullying it's smaller defenseless neighbors anyways? Hypocrites if you ask me.

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Yawn..... all fake. None of this happened.

They were Soviets. It's their raizon d'etre. If they weren't communists, their own government purged them. I think you take for granted the kind of land you live in.

*raison

Stop posting debunked images
Simon Toncman was actually removed in the newspaper print due to the prude editor's squeamishness taking over his reporting of the holocaust when it comes to showing an emaciated, naked victim covering his modesty with some clothing. So much so, that in the supposedly original newspaper clipping, the first bunk post from the right (not visible in the photo with the inmate in the foreground) is actually missing its base, compared to the ones left of it. So while we have proof of a newspaper editor doctoring an original image available in an enlarged format in the archive, what exactly does this prove? If Simon Toncman was added in, we would first have to find the original print of this famous photo without him (instead of just the pic in the newspaper), as well as the original photo where he has been taken from (so that he could be copy-pasted into the famous photo above), which also no denier has ever been able to find, and in any case, the collage would have only proven that someone was trying to emphasize the very real emaciation that affected most victims found in the liberated camps - which is something no sensible (oxymoron!) holocaust denier disputes in the first place.

>a country that was bullying it's smaller defenseless neighbors
So Germany?

this kills the economy

>makes up cover story for a removal he can't hide

This is new levels of holocausting I never thought possible

>goes on to spam pictures of Germans walking next to people harmlessly

So when Poland does it and France and Britain help it's no big deal but when Germany bullies the bully it's a somehow wrong? Sounds fair lmao

Exactly. These photos were fake or they were communist false flag terrorist attacks in order to frame Germany. None of this happened.
Nope. And those photos are fake. It didn't happen.

Even if we were to assume that they literally purged every non-communist, by your logic they were all purged before the start of the war since you assume all of them were communists and therefore the Soviet goverment didn't kill people who didn't hold that ideology after 1939. Take a minute to reason how retarded you sound.

>makes up cover story for a removal he can't hide
Why are you so afraid to address the argument?

>Poland
>Bully
In what alternate timeline do you live?

>everything I don't like is faked by communists
woah.. so this is the power.... of /pol/.....

Lol

Youre a walking, talking meme

You don't know history. In what way Poland bullied its smaller neighbors?
You know that Poles annexed Vilnius region in 1922? And I hope you realize it was a territory granted to Lithuania by the bolsheviks? Of course you completely ignore that the Germans demanded Klaipeda/Memel from Lithuania in 1939.
>The region subsequently accounted for up to 30% of the Lithuania's entire production. Between 70% and 80% of foreign trade passed through Klaipėda. The region, which represented only about 5% of Lithuania's territory, contained a third of its industry.
And then after the destruction of Poland they sold Lithuania to the Soviets? This is okay I suppose?

>My spirit is 100% German

American detected.

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.ie/2016/07/the-denier-logic-at-its-finest-famous.html

Why do you retards even respond to these shitty baits?

NYTM published a heavily retouched photo due to some editor's fit of prudishness. All we see is evidence of a retouched photo in a magazine. Is there any evidence that the original photo has been manipulated in any way? There is none.

>Exactly. These photos were fake or they were communist false flag terrorist attacks in order to frame Germany. None of this happened.

Right? The people who were creating supremacy propaganda were obviously going to carry out the operation whatever it took. Slav isn't even a racial category but if you ask a leftie they'll spout literal propaganda under Stalin about how the Germans were trying to kill even the Germanic element in the USSR.
Then we split Germany. All of our camps are concentration camps, all of their camps became death camps.

I'm just saying they went to war with a power that considered itself fully communist and actively purged all elements that weren't communist. The basic argument is that Germany fought communism. That's basically true in that it fought the most powerful incarnation of it. Not every single person needed to be a fully dedicated communist for it to be a war on communism, especially since communism exploited that persons value and labor anyways.

>Why are you so afraid to address the argument?

What argument?

>In what alternate timeline do you live?

So you're going to pretend Poland didn't go around annexing parts of defenseless Czechs and Lithuanians?

Well oy my vehs

>You don't know history. In what way Poland bullied its smaller neighbors?
>You know that Poles annexed Vilnius region in 1922?

Ok so now we're getting somewhere. You actually bothered to google right after you posted above wondering why Poland was a bully.

>And I hope you realize it was a territory granted to Lithuania by the bolsheviks?

You mean these bolsheviks? The ones that warred on both Poland and Lithuania?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish–Soviet_War

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_westward_offensive_of_1918–19

>Of course you completely ignore that the Germans demanded Klaipeda/Memel from Lithuania in 1939

I suppose you didn't know that Memel was originally Prussian before

>heavily retouched
>conveniently leaves out the central element that underscores the suffering of the poor campers

user I...

it actually makes sense, because oil was so expensive in nazi germany, and the standard of living so low compared to the cost of cars, there would be nobody driving on them anyway, so no noise problems

You ignore that Vilnius was a Polish and the region was majority Polish.

I mean these bolsheviks:

>On April 19, 1919, the Polish Army captured Vilnius.[6]
>Soviets and Lithuanians negotiated the Soviet–Lithuanian Peace Treaty, which was signed on July 12, 1920. Russia recognized Lithuanian independence and withdrew any territorial claims. The treaty drew the eastern border of Lithuania, which the Lithuanians continued to claim as their de jure state border until World War II. Vilnius Region, including Brasłaŭ, Hrodna, Lida, and Vilnius, was recognized to Lithuania.[53] On August 6, after long and heated negotiations, Lithuania and Soviet Russia signed a convention regarding withdrawal of Russian troops from the recognized Lithuanian territory.
>Poland claimed that Lithuania violated its claim to neutrality in the Polish–Soviet War and in effect became a Soviet ally.[62] A secret clause of the Soviet–Lithuanian Peace Treaty allowed Soviet forces unrestricted movement within the Soviet-recognized Lithuanian territory for the duration of Soviet hostilities with Poland.

>You ignore that Vilnius was a Polish and the region was majority Polish.
This was according to Poles. Same thing when they took over German areas, and in less than 20 years they were reporting that universally German areas had suddenly-GASP- become Polish. Look at the rates of increase in Poles and the alleged decline of ethnic Germans. It's almost like they were just taking from the German category and putting them in the Pole category based on linguistic capability.

>A secret clause of the Soviet–Lithuanian Peace Treaty allowed Soviet forces unrestricted movement within the Soviet-recognized Lithuanian territory for the duration of Soviet hostilities with Poland.

You just shared evidence that tiny Lithuania is more afraid of a Polish invasion than by the USSR.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian–Soviet_War

These bolsheviks. Notice the 10000 Germans that came to support the Lithuanians as they fought against the traitorous bolsheviks.

8,000 Lithuanians in August 1919
Weimar Republic 10,000 Germans

Against:

18,000–20,000 Bolsheviks
You know nothing about this history. Not only was Poland a bully, not only did the bolsheviks invade both Poland and Lithuania, but the Germans volunteered to help fight with the Lithuanians.

So to be clear, Poland was just as much of a threat as the Soviets but the Soviets backed out first. And two, the Soviets did not generously give Lithuania it's freedom. That freedom was won in blood, and not only their blood but it was won by German blood.

fascist governments end up the same way
it's a state problem more than an economic problem

>>You ignore that Vilnius was a Polish and the region was majority Polish.
>This was according to Poles
Call it kikeapedia or what will you, but
>Vilnius was one of the most Polonized and Russified[24][25] of Lithuanian cities during 1795-1914 Russian rule,[26] with Lithuanians constituting a mere fraction of the total population: 2% - 2,6% according to Russian (1897), German (1916) and Polish (1919) censuses. The latter two indicated that 50,1% or 56,2% of the inhabitants were Poles, while the Jewish share in the population amounted to 43,5% or 36,1%

>My spirit is 100% German
lmao

No why the hell would you think so?

>The commies always claim that their system is for the "working class", but in reality bolschewik, chinese and even nowadays north koreans communists are only opressing the proleteriat and giving the fruits of their effort to the (((comunist party elites))), leaving the common folk they claim to take care of to starvation and misery.
What do you think happened in Germany? Same shite in different colour.

>While the Hitler's thought united the workers and farmers, improved their life from post-versailles and great depression, and united the entire German volk in a one idea. Gave them forests and fields, land and bread. Gave the unemployed good work in a good conditions they needed.
This is either wrong or done by Soviets in a larger scale.

>according to Russian (1897), German (1916) and Polish (1919) censuses
> The latter two indicated that 50,1% or 56,2% of the inhabitants were Poles, while the Jewish share in the population amounted to 43,5% or 36,1%
>The latter two
>Polish (1919)

So according to census based on Poles, one city, Vilnius, is 56% Polish and 36% jewish. Leaving presumably 8% Lithuanians. Assuming Lithuanian was a category they actually used instead of Russian. I don't know what you were trying to prove here. Look at the numbers of ethnic Germans and the rise in "ethnic" Poles in the two decades after Poland took over territories. Millions of Germans disappear in that time frame and the Polish birthrate would've had to have been tremendous at the same time.

I'm sure all those farmers and workers that ended up freezing to death on the Eastern Front were really impressed with the state of their lives

>farmers and workers that ended up freezing to death on the Eastern Front

Read this again and come up with better lambasting. Especially considering the Baltic SS volunteers and the tens of thousands of Russian-Ukrainian partisans that fought for the Germans at Stalingrad.

>Millions of Germans disappear in that time frame
No, they emigrate