This triggers /his

>Charles “THE ASVAB IS AN IQ TEST I SWEAR” Murray
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No one accused Murray of being a Nazi, just a dumbass. Murray purports to show that Europeans have produced the most “significant” people in literature, philosophy, art, music, and the sciences. The problem that immediately arises, of course, is that there is no actual objective way of determining a person’s “significance”. Another problem is that he's measuring people, rather than works (like, what Chinese person invented the printing press?). In order to provide such an “objective” measure, Murray uses instead uses the frequency of people’s appearances in encyclopedias and biographical dictionaries. In this way, he says, he has shown their “eminence,” therefore objectively shown their accomplishments in their respective fields. And by then showing which cultures they came from, he can rank each culture by its cultural and scientific worth.

This is completely retarded. The encyclopedias and such he cites are almost all written by northwestern Europeans, so why should it be any surprise that northwestern Europeans place a lot of emphasis on northwestern European achievements? Moreover, he excludes the significant advances made before 800 (like the invention of the compass, porcelain, earthquake detectors, row crop farming, paper, silk, and mechanical clocks, possibly movable type printing, and paper money), and when trying to justify why he's excluding everything produced after 1950, he literally just says it's because he doesn't like it (at least for art):

>“In the arts, it is not clear that cutting off the inventories at 1950 involves the loss of much material at all. No doubt some art, music, and literature created from 1950 to the present will survive, but it is hard to imagine that the last half-century will be seen as producing an abundance of timeless work."

>written by an Anglo
How is this not considered wewuzing?

>history is a collection of lies we agree to tell each other
True to this day

most of which was already invented either in China or Mid East

we wuz

the chinese invented very little
they made several inventions of great importance, such as the printing press and the compass, but very little compared to europe

kek at the middle east

> scientific innovation spiked during the mid 1400s
What scientific advancements were made during the 1400s? The Spanish invented the Arquebus and Koreans invented the water gauge and the newspaper. I think that's it.

>The problem that immediately arises, of course, is that there is no actual objective way of determining a person’s “significance”.

Are you fucking serious? Do I really need to explain to you in great detail on why this is wrong?

I meant from the 1400's to now.

nice memes, read a book next time rather than jacking it to euro history spoonfeed threads

In art? No, there isn't any actual objective way to determining how 'significant' a person was.

>italy, france
>northern europe
imo only north european cunt is denmark on the list

Printing press

>Campania
>northern Europe
the absolute state of Veeky Forums.

there are people on this board RIGHT NOW that think non-Europeans matter and accomplished anything worthwhile

Please explain in detail why this is wrong

>implying it's innovation and not utility that matters the most

China invented the printing press, meanwhile it barely had any impact on the culture because it was a Confucian and legalist hellhole, but the printing press in Europe was used to both educate people and talk about ideas.

Invention is good, but it matters how it is used, and Europeans definitely have been superior at using inventions more than anyone else.

The Chinese had already invented block printing in the 3rd century, and the movable type printing press in the 11th. In the 13th century either the Chinese or the Koreans expanded that to metal-type movable printing.

Nice empty appeal to authority

So the way they impacted or influenced history isn't a good way to determine their significance?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_steam_power

>pointing out logical fallacies, and doing it wrong
oh boy it's like i'm really on pol
it's as useful an arbitrary metric as any, but you aren't attempting to be objective in your assessment

lmao at this tryhard
perhaps you could explain what exactly we owe to china, other than the obvious great inventions I am aware of

europeans, and their new world descendants in north america and australasia, brought knowledge of three new continents to the old world, reached the south pole, dived the deepest point of earth's oceans, climbed its highest mountain, circumnavigated the globe, discovered two planets and countless other extraterrestrial bodies, discovered subatomic particles and split both the atom and its nucleus, discovered virtually every chemical element not known to the ancients, developed the railways, automobiles and bicycles, made heavier-than-air flight possible, explained the mechanics of evolution, gravity and the origins of the universe, the formation of stars, planets, galaxies, continents, etc

the chinese have done almost nothing by comparison

>inb4 ding dong wrote a chronicle for bing bang in 5,000 BC (year of the armadillo) in which he described in great detail how he had flown to the moon on a rocket powered with gunpowder

>major historical accomplishments in the arts
How is that defined?

He defines based on how many times the artists or philosophers are mentioned in (mainly British) encyclopedias, biographical dictionaries, history books, and chronologies.

>only history that matters is modern inventions
>cultural and metaphysical advancements that laid the groundworks for the development of these inventions don't matter
stop being such a reductionist and actually study history. if you really continue to think like this, then the west won't matter at all in 200 years. this line of thought is only attractive for westerners in light of current trends

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>only history that matters is modern inventions
no, but china's idiosyncratic inventions were supplanted by superior western ones which had developed independently

also, by the same logic where do you draw the line between europe and the middle east, which has never been fully free of european influence and vice-versa?

it's like when reddit retards say 'oh, europeans owe arab people because they invented farming' when of course europeans are descended from those first non-arab farmers 11,000 years ago

the line between europe and the ME only exists bc of islam creating a european identity by point of contrast desu

>England, Scandinavia, Czechia
>Europe
It's a good thing you have all those cherrypicked quotes to support your worldview.

no, you see UMbuwungU's life of chucking spears at wild zebras is just as important as Fleming discovering Penicillin

Let's use a bit of logic, yeah? If we're trying to determine the significance of inventions, doesn't it make the most sense that the first invention is more important then the follow ups?

In this thread you see a lot of examples of ancient technology from China and the middle east, without this technology people wouldn't be able to advance enough to study aerodynamics. So the most significant inventions are the oldest ones, and they didn't happen in Europe because Europe wasn't good enough at the time, and China wasn't good enough at the time Europe dominated the world, bummer.

Look at how much I don't care because I'm not using capitals, it's like I'm barely even paying attention

not here to play respectability politics

Not him but Whites single-handedly invented all main major techonologies(electricity, nuclear energy, phone, internet, tv, radio, car, plane, engine, modern boat, rocket, and so on) and uplifted with various results the rest of mankind to their level.

Whites being a superior race is not even debatable at this point, it's just a fact.

>rocket
That was invented by Indians

By rocket i meant modern rocket

Of course not, just cool politics so that you can bolster your specious arguments with as much snark as possible

>small area of northern europe
>goes all the way down to southern italy
What I don't get is why nordicists bother peddling their idiotical ideology. Why make their own life so much harder? They can inflate their own sense of worth much more easily through european identity than by trying to steal accomplishments like niggers.

Half of the stuff you mentioned was invented by people nordicists don't even consider white. Your statement only makes sense if you equate white with european, at which point you're going straight up disagreeing with the thread's premise.

>Whites
Such an uniform group of people.

>all main major techonologies(electricity, nuclear energy, phone, internet, tv, radio, car, plane, engine, modern boat, rocket, and so on)
All of these are post-industrial revolution.

seems like you're focusing on your perception of my rhetorical style rather than its actual content

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Since when does "Northern europe" go down to Naples?

Are you including jews as white?

>use Lord Byron's quote to suggest that Greece is somehow shitty
>the guy fought for Greek independence, died there and is now a national hero to Greeks

>“In the arts, it is not clear that cutting off the inventories at 1950 involves the loss of much material at all. No doubt some art, music, and literature created from 1950 to the present will survive, but it is hard to imagine that the last half-century will be seen as producing an abundance of timeless work."

Credit where credit is due. You have to be a dedicated troll to publish that with a straight face.

>All these are post-industrial revolution
Well that was the British as well. Exponential technological/scientific growth and innovation is a thing. Most of the truly important inventions like antibiotics, flight etc are post-industrial revolution.
Though it's not like Asia or the Middle-East outpaces Europe even pre-industrial revolution.

/pol/acks won't acknowledge that China was doing better for a long time. The Chinese were smart enough to invent gunpowder, but never thought to arm their ships to defend trade

based anglo closetfag

>they made several inventions of great importance, such as the printing press
I still can't understand why the chinese get this invention when the oldest printing press found was made in sanskrit. That would make indian invention.

Could as well be ancient aryan

>Though it's not like Asia or the Middle-East outpaces Europe even pre-industrial revolution.
Sometimes they did.

>Well that was the British as well.
It started in Britain, but one can hardly call it a British thing.

>Most of the truly important inventions like antibiotics, flight etc are post-industrial revolution.
Those inventions and their mass-application would not be possible without all the preceeding knowledge and skill gained over time. There's a reason why steam engine was just a toy in the hands of ancient Greeks.

Finally someone understands where Italy really belongs

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