Is there any real reason why communist and fascist regimes have really cool aesthetic while democratic/liberal...

Is there any real reason why communist and fascist regimes have really cool aesthetic while democratic/liberal countries have bargin bin meme aesthetics if any at all?

youve got one guy weilding massive non-natural representation and allocation of resources so you get these unified brandings where as (((capitalist))) countries are more fragmented and thus dont project such a unified presentation.

Yes, the need of propaganda to impose a shitty ideology

Freedom of speech/press in liberal regimes makes it difficult for them to present a unified and powerful aesthetic.

How can we merge the superior fascist aesthetics with the superior democratic everything else?

You don't like the aesthetic provided by advertising and marketing companies?

Those kind of extremist ideologies follow their emotions much more than reason, and their leaders and beliefs are strong, which heavily influences their aesthetics.

A few reasons:
-Artists had much more pressure on them to make inspiring propaganda under fascism and communism than liberalism
-The propaganda needed to be good to enforce the idea that life under fascism and communism was better than liberalism
-Fascists and communists had to compete liberal nations, who had more variety in their art because of the freedom in liberal societies. The more unified aesthetics of communist and fascist societies had to be honed very quickly, and so more traditionalist artstyles were used as opposed to the high amount of experimentation in liberal societies' art

I'm not a scholar tho, and have no sources. Just pointing out what seems to be the case desu

>the world will never see such aesthetic fashion in generals and officers again

sad

Say wat you will about the tenets of National Socialism but god damn did they know how to work an aesthetic.

The short answer is modern liberal democratism is individualistic and individualistic people are too nihilistic and materialistic to create high art.

High art is inspirational, but individualistic people don't know how to inspire. You need to be inspired to be able to inspire, and to be inspired requires two things lacking in individualistic people; A firm set of beliefs and an ability to appreciate the universe in abstract terms.

Individualists tend to be nihilistic out of personal convenience. A strong set of values is taxing to the individual, but good for the long term health of a society. Individualistic people tend to not care about either society at large, or any long term past their lifeline, so a weak, relativistic morality based on a combination of personal whim and peer-pressure suffices. This lack of firm values or opinions on the universe is not conducive to an inspired attitude or a desire to inspire others.

As for a lack of appreciation for the abstract; This stems from an individualist's tendency towards materialism. A materialistic worldview boils life down to the tangible and falsifiable. An appreciation for, and the firm belief of an abstract is faith and faith is conducive to inspired behavior.

Because Communists and Fascists hold individualistic tendencies in contempt, these societies have a strong sense of national identity, a faith in the common destiny of a common people. Inspiration and thus high art can flow from this. No such inspiration can flow from a capitalist liberal mass democracy, because there is no identity in a capitalist liberal mass democracy; It's just materialistic and nihilistic individuals in close proximity to each other, only brought together by their mutual sense of entitlement for merely being humans.

they make that junk because they don't have the organization to put their money to sensible use and/or because they have morale problems

The Nazis never created high art.

And Communists often supressed it.

I can understand what user is trying to convey, but "high art" is indeed not a correct term. Totalitarian regimes try to unite public space in one idea, one aesthetic that the mass must share. Claiming that such decorations are high art is highly disingenous because high art by definition is not aimed at the massess but at the elite. Claiming that picrel is high art is simply disingenous.

yes, your personal taste is the culprit

Capitalism is just the worship of mediocrity, it doesn’t inspire anything.

Liberalism rejects the spiritual for the material
Fascism/Communism seek to make them the same (It's just as retrded as it sounds)
Only traditional societies can make good art.

In the past the founding fathers used really cool roman inspired aesthetics and architecture.

Carl Orff

I know, but now all major US cities are filled with garbage post modern shit, like a crocked beam, or boring scultures of ducks painted weird.

inb4 some triggered post modern cuck writes a 5 paragraph response about how great it really is and blah blah blah

>Neo-classical
>Cool
It's just unimaginative rip-offs done in the spirit of either wewuz or "we new Rome/Greece" now posturing.

Because when you live in a culture that panders to anyone who feels offended you can't have nice things because people don't rise to a standard, you sink to their's.

Marketing.

>Because when you live in a culture that panders to anyone who feels offended you can't have nice things because people don't rise to a standard, you sink to their's

...skyscrapers are the result of people being offended?

This is your mind on /pol/.

Commie countries were European. Europeans make beautiful and inspiring art.

Lol! Sculptures of weird ducks. Modern art is garbage, it's all consumer grade low effort crackerjack box bullshit and makes the cityscape look trivial. Like the sculptors are never really passionate, they're just paid.

He's clearly talking about the last decade or two you idiot.

Only if it means the president still gets to wear a miliary uniform in political speechs

Democracy had a great chance to adopt Art Deco as its main aesthetics, but post-1960's Democracy just shot itself in the head and adopted brutalist/consumerist autism that is extremely ugly.
>tfw no Fallout looking america

Such a fucking shame...

>just trench coats and broad rimmed hats
woah

>Is there any real reason why communist and fascist regimes have really cool aesthetic
Because they need a cool aesthetic more than liberal regimes do. Bolshevik/Mao-style communism and Hitler/Mussolini-style fascism are forms of cult-like populism that tend to rise when the masses are in a state of heated emotion (because of economic hardship, or because of some perceived or real outside threat, etc.). In order to be popular, a communist or fascist regime, once it has risen, needs to either deliver economic and other success, or keep people in a state of heated emotion - feels over thinks, or - preferably - both. Such regimes usually work better in times of crisis than in times of peace. In times of peace, the fact that they are based on a small central clique ruling over the masses using populist emotion and brute force tends to make the states they control economically uncompetitive compared to more liberal states. On the other hand, in times of crisis and war, the collectivist frenzy, central control, and normalization of political violence can serve as a sort of advantage. One of the consequences is that populist authoritarian regimes subconsciously or consciously understand that some level of crisis is in their interest. As for the aesthetics, they are ritualistic accompaniments of populist-collectivist cults. In such populist-collectivist societies, the masses are infantilized, "beta"-ized, and regressed to a tribal level to some extent. Bold, flashy, epic aesthetics appeal to such masses because they visually express the psychological state of the average person in the street - turmoil, infantilized passion, simplistic in-group/out-group dynamics, mixed fear/awe toward the regime, mixed hope and cynical realism.

*literally invent the modern villain esthetic

Cont.
They are an aid to doublethink. The average person in the street, assuming that he is not a total imbecile, both knows that the aesthetics are propaganda and succumbs to those aesthetics because they stir a primal ape-level "fist gripping a club" part of the psyche. "Whether you fall prey to our aesthetics", the statues - for example - seems to say, "or not, the fact remains that the regime that rules this land is strong enough to build these statues. If you don't believe that these aesthetics represent reality, it does not matter. The aesthetics express the new fundamental law of the land - that you *must* believe in these aesthetics, even if you simultaneously don't. You might understand that this is all just propaganda and show for fools, but because you must take the time to think of it, you must at least entertain the idea that we are for the best, we are popular, even if we are not succeeding in what we promised, we are trying... And in any case, we are the ones with brute force at the moment." Etc.
Such aesthetics also appeal to the anti-intellectualism that such regimes exploit. Their very simplicity - the army outfit, the brute-looking sculpture, etc. - is a way of suggesting to people, "Look, our society came to trouble because people overthought things. Don't think too much! It is all very simple! Be like the soldier, the factory worker, the 10 year old boy who believes in the government unquestioningly! Don't be one of those critical-thinking intellectuals!"
Just some thoughts.

>The short answer is modern liberal democratism is individualistic and individualistic people are too nihilistic and materialistic to create high art.
>High art is inspirational, but individualistic people don't know how to inspire. You need to be inspired to be able to inspire, and to be inspired requires two things lacking in individualistic people; A firm set of beliefs and an ability to appreciate the universe in abstract terms.
>Individualists tend to be nihilistic out of personal convenience. A strong set of values is taxing to the individual, but good for the long term health of a society. Individualistic people tend to not care about either society at large, or any long term past their lifeline, so a weak, relativistic morality based on a combination of personal whim and peer-pressure suffices. This lack of firm values or opinions on the universe is not conducive to an inspired attitude or a desire to inspire others.
>As for a lack of appreciation for the abstract; This stems from an individualist's tendency towards materialism. A materialistic worldview boils life down to the tangible and falsifiable. An appreciation for, and the firm belief of an abstract is faith and faith is conducive to inspired behavior.
>Because Communists and Fascists hold individualistic tendencies in contempt, these societies have a strong sense of national identity, a faith in the common destiny of a common people. Inspiration and thus high art can flow from this. No such inspiration can flow from a capitalist liberal mass democracy, because there is no identity in a capitalist liberal mass democracy; It's just materialistic and nihilistic individuals in close proximity to each other, only brought together by their mutual sense of entitlement for merely being humans.

literally trash

>communist """"aesthetic""""

>fascist """"aesthetic""""

SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP

Abundance of fanatiscism

>superior democratic everything else
Like? Democracy is utter shit

Underrated

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Capitalism/Democracy caters to the lowest common denominator. The majority of people are average or below average in any given thing.

Looks actually cool tbqh.
Looks like some sci-fi Roman empire

>Is there any real reason why communist and fascist regimes have really cool aesthetic
But they are fucking shit tier.
Only monarchies were able to create great monuments and landmarks.

>Cincinnatus type government where durring times of crisis, absolute power is given to strong statesman/general, but after crisis is over this fascist leader must give all power back to senate and go farm cabbages.
>All citizens who want to vote, need to serve 2-5 years in military
>Society is built on militarism and military values
>Society absolutely needs to have some slight form of collectivism/national kinship

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Colour scheme enforced through regulations would be a big step.

Not enough arches and statues surrounding it >:(

Try to militarize and collectivize democracy if it's even possible and you can have it.
Modern democracy is all about Individualism and Consumerism, and that doesn't produce good aesthetics, well unless it's subjective crap in your opinion.

Skyscrapers are the result of people being lazy. For every skyscraper there are thousands of people who must have food carted in to them so they can live a cosmopolitan life. And I'm not saying everyone has to live in the middle of nowhere. But even the sculpture on top of and outside of those skyscrapers get scaled down because people like the secular look. Even that merril lynch bull, they had to put a girl in front of it because of the massive set of balls on that thing stirred up penis envy from lesbos.

that looks aesthetic as fuck

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That's fucking epic.

muhdik

We care more about improving liberty and quality of life rather than bullshit propaganda to improve the perception of collectivism and quality of life.

>>fascist """"aesthetic""""
>post's a nazi larping architecture inspired from roman forums.
kys, my dude.

>We care more about improving liberty and quality of life

>we don’t care about propaganda
Ahahahahahahahahahaha

t. judeo-fascist asian gay space communist

>improving muh liberty n'shiet by creating tons of oligarchic scam artists who only care about votes and feeding their voters lies and fulfilling promises.
>improving quality of life by making society a consumerist based cancer, which makes people docile, fat, stupid and unironically degenerate to create tons of mindless drones for the state.
top kek, user... top kek...

Interesting idea.

J U S T

literally all I could think of

Power projection and propaganda. Also to give the people something to look at instead of thinking.

step aside

looks like a casino tbqh

did someone say AESTHETICS

>We care more about improving liberty and quality of life

because this is what they look like

>muh giant phallic wedding cake
Its lucky they lacked the technical skill to build it, it would have been even uglier than that nazi memedome with its own weather system.

absolutely d y s t o p i a n

A E S T H E T I C

>muhreichstag
>muhwhiteho*se
>muh taj mahal
>muh x
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Individualism is not the issue. Objectivism, as an example, was an aesthetic about the greatness of the individual and this can lead to inspiring art.

In fact, I would say you have it backwards. Collectivism leads to shittier art. Even look at the conventions of the Democratic party or the globalist parties in Europe; their aesthetics are so drab because they are almost embarrassed to have an image of being strong. To them, it's a virtue to look simple, plain and grassroots.

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>Le fascist/communist aesthetic
*tips fedora*

>his country never tried to build the world's largest complex
>his country didn't attempt to build the world's tallest tower by a massive margin topped by the world's largest and tallest statue

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neo-art-deco needs to be a thing

imagine if Stalin finished it

What's the name of the buildings they make that look weird and/or stupid just to test the boundaries of engineering. I understand them wanting to break new ground with their art but shit in the public space is not the place for it.

good for convincing idiots to empower an authoritarian government
>b-but it looks so cool!!1

Step aside, boy.
You can't deal with this much THICCNESS.

Yup. Sometimes I wonder if all the nazi/communist fetishists are still in high school.

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It looks like a big ugly boil protruding from the earth.

Then why don’t democracies have aesthetic even remotely close to others?

Pic related is democracy we lost.

You have to be iq89 to believe this garbage

tbqh, both are A E S T H E T I C as fuck.
>tfw no future where Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact was never broken and Third Reich and Soviet Union became allies.

>take generic dome building/pantheon copy
>oversize it
yawn