>ITT: Your favourite historical tidbits, the more inconsequential the better
JFK was a staunch advocate for Algerian independence. One of his first speeches as a congressman was a call for France to hand Algerian governance to the Arab/Berber population, and as President he gave a lengthy speech congratulating Algeria on achieving independence. There are monuments commiserating his assassination (pic related) throughout Algeria.
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Early US was basically the bane of european imperialism. Was instrumental is kicking Israel/UK/France out of Sinai, Dutch from Indonesia, French from Algeria, Portuguese from Africa, Brits from Malaysia, French from Indochina (until the very end when they realized they fucked up), Brits from India, fucking over Rhodesia & apartheid SA, etc..
early cold war US*
Ayuckshully that started even before the Cold War. When Wilson pretty much supported the Self-Determination of Nations meymey.
this is not inconsequential
The first European to truly explore the American southwest Cabeza de vaca, raised a traveling army of indians who deified him for his healing powers after being enslaved and losing all but four of his crew. He appealed to the governors of new spain to treat indians better but was utterly ignored and his only true historical effect has been anthropological history and some minor north Mexican cities.
Israeli here (omg muh palestine etc.), here are a list of historical leaders who are beloved here and have tons of memorials for them and such. A lot of it is contradictory.
>Cyrus the Great of Persia (treated as a near-saint)
>Ataturk
>Pilsudski
>Georgi Zhukov/WW2 Red Army in general (usual excuse is "stalin did all the bad stuff")
>Ivan Konev
>Lech Walesa & John Paul II
>Reza Phalivi
>Benjamin Disraeli (hurrr durr see son a jew once ruled the british empire at its peak!)
>Bismarck (I assume because he gave civil rights to German Jews)
>Reagan (even though he put sanctions of us, go figure)
>Timur (I guess b.c. he killed arabs? but he's usually praised here when brought up)
>P.W. Botha (statue to him in Haifa at a site where warships for south africa were built)
>Pinochet (is a statue to him in Beersheva)
>Trump & Putin simultaneously (somehow)
>Viktor Orban (treated like a revolutionary among those who know who he is)
These "typical beloved world leaders" are routinely despised:
>FDR (all the polish jews hate him BADLY)
>JFK (seen as third world stooge)
>Nelson Mandela
>Sadat (even though he made peace he's still a dirty arab I guess)
>Gandhi/Nehru
>All ex-IRA leaders
>Che Guvera (will get into trouble if you wear a che shirt and someone recognizes it)
>Gorbachev (all the ex-russian immigrants really hate him for some reason)
>Any Western/Northern European leader since the 1970s, particularly if from Scandinavia
>Obama
Wow this is a schizophrenic list, there's a lot of outright anti-semites on that list of loved people.
Is the IRA connection because of their affiliation with the PLO?
Forgot to mention Napoleon
HOLY SHIT, Napoleon is viewed as a saint in Israel. In school our textbooks were literally "Napoleon, the revolutionary ahead of his time who tried to introduce civilization"
>Is the IRA connection because of their affiliation with the PLO?
yes
>Early US was basically the bane of european imperialism.
Everything after Israeli/Dutch is false or the US had no meaningful role in
>Algeria
The US had no meaningful aid or assistance to the Algerian rebels. A few comments by JFK doesn't mean much. Eisenhower gave military assistance to France during the war.
>Portugal
The US was allied with Portugal and supported them.
>Brits from Malaysia
The British won in Malaysia, installe friendly regimes, and they kept Brunei until the 1970s? as a protectorate. The US played no meaningful role.
>Brits in India
The US had no meaningful involvement in India. Indian independence was entirely due to the Indians themselves
>Rhodesia
Sure the US "embargoed" Rhodesia... they just also kept buying Rhodesian chrome for "strategic" reasons
>South Africa
The US was a staunch South African ally until the 1980s, it didn't impose an arms embargo until 1977, and it had major investments and purchases of South African goods until de-investment in the 1980s.
Wilson supported European self-determination, he didn't mean it elsewhere. Case in point: his ideal situation for the mandates taken from germany wasn't that they would be independent, but that they would be de facto Scandinavian colonies, being LoN mandates under some Scandinavian nation. This wasn't him bowing to somebody's political pressure, this is what he mentioned to one of his aides when they asked him about it, his first idea concerning what would be best
Ultimately he had to bow to the inevitable and let the Europeans run them.
>FDR (all the polish jews hate him BADLY)
Why? There wouldn't be any Polish Jews left if he hadn't started American preparations for war early on and we found ourselves in a stalemate in the West.
I mean, I hate FDR too, but mainly for his domestic actions like Executive Order 9066.
what about Leon Blum
poles in general tend to dislike FDR they see him as selling poland out to the soviets
they're not wrong tbqh
based jews
france is pretty badly despised unless they're napoleon, he's probably seen as a traitor for taking part in a 20th century western european regime.
What do Israelis think of the American Civil War? Would they be willing to tolerate a statue of Robert E. Lee protecting pregnant Anne Frank with his sword in Tel Aviv?
Forgot to mention Indochina
>Indochina
Only thing the US did against the French was under Roosevelt when they didn't support the French after the 1945 coup
Afterwards they didn't interfere with the French returning there, funded a large amount of the French war effort, and gave far more in the way of money, arms, and supplies to the French than the Chinese and Russians ever did to the Viet Minh
why do they hate France? other than Vichy France ofc
>Any Western/Northern European leader since the 1970s, particularly if from Scandinavia
Is it because Scandis always vote against Israel when it comes to le palestine meme?
They're a former British colony, why do you think?
Among the modern generation, western europeans are just despised. They're seem as radical leftists who love muslims and give them tons of weapons to kill us with later and are just focusing their classical hatred of Jews through progressive thought. Things are different for older folks though.
The current generation of Israeli's thrive on hatred of obama/merkel/EU and want Israel to ally with putin to fuck them over (if you bring up putin also supports assad they won't really care). It's why trump is their wet dream. A lot of it is fueled by recent immigrants who left europe because of all the muslims, mostly french ones. Also say they were all nazi collaborators anyway so it's not surprising (muslims/nazis are viewed as the same thing in Israel, people love to bring up Hitler's pro-muslim views)
For instance the foreign minister of sweden atm has been named "the most hated woman in Israel".
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Inverting this list would make much more sense
>always do the opposite of what jews say
Yeah, except there literally would not be any Jewish community left in Poland if the war had ended any later. Our comparatively swift victory over Nazi Germany was only possible because of Roosevelt's willingness to aid the Soviets and keep the Eastern Front from crumbling.
not really, most of the "liked" people were pro-Israeli and guys like Ataturk provided asylum for Jews in the 30s.
lol I find this so hilarious. Jews are the ones orchestrating mass immigratuob of muslims to Europe.
I had a polish history professor once (who was half-jew) who said he visits NY every year to go to FDR's grave and make sure he's still dead so he can continue to be happy.
Also kept a picture of Pilsudski on his office door, so is eerily accurate on that
the most pro-migrant parties (i.e. Britain's Respect, Greens, etc) tend to boycott israel though
I find the scandinavian thing hard to believe, after all Wilson himself had bough the U.S. Virgin Islands away from Denmark, and Iceland had just become fully independent too.
b-but they vote against me and my lapdog United States in the UN! Those dirty muslim-loving nazi anti-semites!
BASED SWEDEN standing up to ZOG!
thats my point fuck jews
>my race deciding to become hedonistic degenerates of their own free will after their parents inherited the earth is genocide
only uneducated teenagers like che, he's not a "beloved world leader"
What a surprise, an American president was looking to undermine and weaken the traditional European Powers. Gee this has never happened before.
What a great guy looking out for the Algerians!
Iceland didn't become independent until the 1940s, the US bought the Virgin Islands for strategic reasons (and its a good old case of "We're not imperialist, but they are!"
As The Guardians: The League of Nations and the Crisis of Empire notes about Wilson's initial plan
"Wilson kept to his stateroom; it was almost impossible for anyone to get to him. And when Beer finally managed to sit down for a serious talk, he found his chief's ideas vague at best. The German colonies were to be the 'common property' of that dream project, a League of Nations, with actual administration entrusted to some small non-imperial state. Wilson thought the Scandinavians might do a good job."
It's probably apocryphal, but supposedly Wilson was shocked to discover that there would be (Sudeten) Germans living in newly-created Czechoslovakia
This one isn't strange though, what with Napoleon's Grand Sanhedrin and everything.
>They're seem as radical leftists who love muslims and give them tons of weapons to kill us with later and are just focusing their classical hatred of Jews through progressive thought.
They're not that wrong t bh, far from all of us are leftists but I'm Swedish and this is exactly my impression of the Swedish left, one big MUH JEW concealed under pretended care about """Palestine""". They don't give a fuck about Ghana or Somaliland in the same way though and if you ask them why there are no activist ships to Yemen or whatever they just go UH BLUH BUH I'LL LET SOMEONE ELSE ENGAGE IN THAT MY DEDICATION IS TO UH, it's transparent as hell.
Hitler was a prog himself so there's hardly any inconsistency in being a jew-hater and a socialist.
somaliland isn't a nation and Ghana is doing fine.
Palestine isn't a nation either.
What do they think of Romania?
Wouldn't be surprised
Wilson was pretty insular and americentric
Teddy Roosevelt saved American football.
in the early 1900's, the country was fiercely divided about the game. At that time, football was basically a more situational version of Rugby. The ball was massive and forward passes weren't allowed. there was no padding, very few rules, and the play was brutal. Deaths were common, and growing. it all reached a fever pitch in 1905 when 20 Americans died playing the game at the professional level. Most intellectuals and academics in Washington wanted to severely alter and even outright ban the sport, and talk of outlawing the game had been on the American conscious for a few years. TR, being an avid sportsman, wanted none of that. He ignored the pundits and summoned the top authorities of the young football world to the White House. It is there that they began figuring out how to change the rules to make the game safer but still fun. The result was the creation of the Wide Receiver position and the adoption of the forward pass. In the years and decades after, the sport would grow from an obscure collegiate game into the powerhouse it is today.
The thing that is interesting about this footnote in history, is the hypotheticals. Say McKinley doesn't get assassinated and finishes out his term. He did not share the same love of sportsmanship that Teddy did. He was far more intellectual, and not really athletic. It's a very real possibility that McKinley might have bowed to peer pressure and forced extreme changes to the game, maybe even outlawing the game, before his term expired in early 1905. If this course of history ended up happening, sports like Baseball and Hockey might have become even more dominant in the States, but the interesting thought revolves Soccer. In the early 1900's, Soccer was one of the fastest growing sports in America. But because American football was the mainstay of collegiate sports and had a stronger presence, it won out in the end. without the NFL, who knows what could have happened.
Really interesting post user, thanks.
This. /ourguy/ was right all along
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Holy shit, Israel is indeed the most based country on Earth!