What was going through his mind as he died?

>Leon Trotsky listed as Russian

I assure you that Lev Bronstein "Trotsky" was a Jew, and so were the vast majority of early Bolsheviks. Original politburo was what, 80% (if we include half of Lenin)?

You're not being very specific either.

timesofisrael.com/putin-first-soviet-government-was-mostly-jewish/

Wow, Putin said it! Fuck I'm sold, he's a very trustworthy source on anything and fully supports open debate

Then we have nice guys like Yagoda and Zinoviev, who killed I'm not even sure how many, 20 Million? Both Jews.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Zinoviev

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrikh_Yagoda#Involvement_in_the_Holodomor

puting claiming something means squat.

Show me how the people listed here are mostly jewish

>muh 20 bajillion!

horseshoe theory never fails

Trotsky was Russian, there are such things as russian jews.

So wait, that's your big rebuttal of the historical consensus? That Trotsky was listed as Russian which for some reason is inaccurate despite the fact he was born within the russian empire?

stop using made up lists with non-existent people, you lying parasite

Ukrainian jew you dumb mongol. He was from near Herson

at the time part of russia born to parents who were russian jewish settlers in poltava

What kind of double-digit IQ does it take to accept this list as legitimate?

No discernible reason whatsoever for him to lie about this. Please at least provide a reason and an argument, rather than this kind of utterly inane nonsense.

>wikipedia

kys retard.

Evidence that the sources given in the wikipedia article are wrong?

it doesn't matter if he was lying or genuine. He could be genuine but just stupid. The numbers and statistics don't support this and putin saying something doesn't make it untrue.

88

Putin is not anti-Jewish and said this to a bunch of jews. Your non-arguments are utterly childish and inane.

>person who has access to the Soviet archives surely hasn't a clue what he's talking about
>wikipedia knows everything!

How retarded can a person get?

The historical consensus is that Trotsky was Jewish, something that was well-acknowledged by just about everyone until recently.

>parents were Ukrainian jews
>muh true ethnic Russian, trust meee!!

>>person who has access to the Soviet archives surely hasn't a clue what he's talking about
Appeal to authority. Putin saying something doesn't make it genuine. He doesn't provide any facts or any names or any figures. He just says something.

>wikipedia knows everything!
evidence that the wikipedia sources are wrong

>chimping out over trotsky being russia based upon semantics
do you really think you're going to achieve anything with this? There was barely a ukrainian national identity back then and trotsky's parents were of russian origin

nobody claims trotsky isn't ethnically jewish, but you can be russian and jewish as well even according to the russian government of the time. Jews were listed as russian, baltic, etc.. on census information.

You're making stuff up to deflect from the fact that you're posting fake information.

There are a bunch of people on this list who had jewish heritage where it is not mentioned. Dzerzhinsky, for example, was a jew who spoke Yiddish, whose father bought a title from the Polish nobility. Kalinin said

>The Jews will become socialist colonisers with strong fists and sharp teeth, a strong national group within the Soviet family of nations.

Lenin as well was at least a quarter jewish:

content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2077413,00.html

>A recently opened exhibition in Moscow's State Historical Museum is shedding some light on a long-guarded Russian secret: the origins of Soviet founding father Vladimir Lenin. Lenin's maternal grandfather, the exhibition revealed, was born Jewish.

>This fascinating morsel of information, gleaned from declassified KGB files, is not a minor detail in a country where anti-Semitism was a recognized state doctrine for decades.

>In a letter to Stalin in 1932 — six years after Lenin's death — Anna Ulyanova, Lenin's older sister, wrote that their maternal grandfather "came from a poor Jewish family and was, according to his baptismal certificate, the son of Moses Blank." Blank was born in Zhitomir, Ukraine. In her letter, Ulyanova said her brother "had always thought highly of Jews." She also urged Stalin to reveal Lenin's Jewish background, concluding that "it would be wrong to hide it from the masses."

There is evidence right there that the Bolshevik leader was Jewish, and that this was deliberatly kept under wraps (as it was with others). Many of those who weren't jewish, had jewish wives--Bukharin, for example. As I said before: if you think you have more reliable information on this than is contained in the rigorous Soviet archives, then you are deluding yourself for ideological reasons.

>vague claims that Lenin may have been discovered to have 1/8th jewish ancestry years after his death

this is so relevant to lenin's actions!

Dzerzhinsky was a Polish Catholic, baptized as such. He spoke Latin as well as Yiddish, and knowing Yiddish in early 20th century Poland was no big deal. Give me a reliable source that gives me this conspiracy thing about him buying his noble title.

>evidence that the wikipedia sources are wrong

Sorry, but this is just as much an appeal to authority, just a rankly inferior one. Wikipedia's authority is infinitely superior to that of the Soviet archives, which were documented by people there at the time in question, who knew the actual individuals, rather than collated as a bunch of fragments and a complete lack of primary source material.

lenin wouldn't have even been considered jewish under the nuremburg laws. Hitler was probably more jewish than him.

fuck off and kill yourself

so you can't give me any evidence that the sources in wikipedia are wrong then.

Your phony list isn't the "soviet archives", it's a list by a british guy who believed in sorcery in 1922.

The ACTUAL Soviet archives indicate that there were per capita less Jews in the Bolshevik party than Latvian, Lithuanian, Estonian, Georgian, Polish, Ossetian, or Finnish. As seen

Even if we accept lenin and Dzerzhinsky were jewish (which is dubious in lenin's case and false in felix's case), it still doesn't even make the central committee 20% jewish, nevermind majority, nevermind overwhelming majority.

You have a long way to go

>"knew the actual individuals"

lmao, that must be why they made so many non-existent people up right?

Your source thinks the romanovs were eaten by jews as part of a black magic ritual, fuck off

Bullets probably.

The thing is, retard, he isn't talking about Russian as a nationality, but Russian as an ethnicity

And Trotsky was on Russian-Jewish origin but living in future Ukraine. Point?

why the fuck would he blame the brits for a war he himself started?

>I should have been nicer to Willy

They didn't let him take refuge there when wanted to flee Russia. Basically his "ally" used him then cast him of to die. Of course nothing else can be expected from the Anglo

probably this

>What was going through his mind as he died?

Something among the lines of "shit, should've write into diary about it".
He was THAT apathetic. One might consider that he could be the original soyboy.

>No discernible reason whatsoever for him to lie about this.

Painting soviets in good light at the wrong time might result in something bad. For example, russian people suddenly understanding that they can burn down the rublyovka and hang the "elite" and oligarchs together with their families, as well as every corrupt degenerate who plunged their country into the shitter,

Basically, it's to invoke "hey, goyim, you really don't like god-chosen people at power? Well, you are no different from DA JOO bolsheviks, now pay more and prep your daughter for people who are more successful and genetically superior".

>Okhrana
>Bolsheviks

Yeah, right.

Not my source, retard.

>1/8th

Nice dishonesty. How many grandparents do you think a person has?

You don't read Polish or Russian, evidently. This was normal in the later years in Poland. Poles know this well, ignorant fools like you evidently don't. Here's a discussion on your favourite source of information:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Felix_Dzerzhinsky/archive_1?oldformat=true#Polish_or_Belarusian?

>Dzerhinsky's father was of Jewish origin, and his mother was of Polish origin, according to official (soviet era) and/or unofficial biographies

His father was a teacher. Teacher's were not of noble birth in Poland. You don't know what you're talking about.

Listen you bunch of retards: the person who posted that list is a different person, and has nothing to do with me. I stated only that someone who has access to the Soviet archives acknowledged the reality of Jewish prevelence. That is the best and most reliable source material regarding the persons in question, and western scholarship on the matter is hazy at best (there are no details regarding these persons' ancestry except for vague acceptings of prevailing narratives, which the release about Lenin shows were selective and deliberately ignored the jewish element). You keep talking about sources, but you have none yourself that aren't secondary and written decades after the fact, by people without access to ANY primary material. It is pure childishness to pretend you have "Sources" supporting your fanatical and dogmatic opinions on this.

Exactly. And Jews had hardly any history in Russia prior to Polish partition, when they were absorbed into the Russian Empire. And most of these Jews had a seething resentment towards their new leaders because they didn't have the same privileges they formerly had. Hence why revolutionary activity in Russia rapidly amplified almost as soon as these Jews were absorbed.

Lmao this image people keep peddling around that apparently analysis per capita overrepresentation of ethnicities in the communist party proves absolutely fucking nothing.

Do people discuss history anymore here? Or is it a battle between uneducated pop historians and whatever they read on their favorite partisan source on the internet with zero academic credibility?

>If anyone has access to the archives and real evidence then it is him
Cause he burned all the evidence to the conterary, just like he did in 89'

>Just as the Okhrana had once sponsored trade unions to divert activist energy from political causes, so too did the secret police attempt to promote the Bolshevik party, as the Bolsheviks seemed a relatively harmless alternative to more violent revolutionary groups. Indeed, to the Okhrana, Lenin seemed to actively hinder the revolutionary movement by denouncing other revolutionary groups and refusing to cooperate with them. To aid the Bolsheviks at the expense of other revolutionaries, the Okhrana helped Roman Malinovsky, a police spy who had managed to rise within the group and gain Lenin’s trust, in his bid to become a Bolshevik delegate to the Duma

>muh academic credibility

History has always been a highly partisan affair, always and everywhere (except when it was suprahistorical within a unified culture, and the details didn't matter as much as the mythological underpinnings and instruction did). "Objective" history doesn't exist, no matter how much modern dunce academics want to pretend it does. It is etymologically related in multiple languages back to both storytelling and to wisdom for this reason.

Your perspective is modern, and it is delusory. Even our supposedly academic culture of objectivity still rests on what are mythological interpretations of history used to justify the currently prevalent civilisational ideology.

t. university certified historian