Do French people have Germanic heritage or not...

Do French people have Germanic heritage or not? Can i get quick rundown on how their nation came to be after fall of Roman empire?

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Yeah, the French are a mix between celts and Normans (Scandinavians). I have no idea about percentages though. They might also have some Mediterranean genes as well (Iberian, Carthaginian, Greek, Phoenician, etc) and also some south Germanic genes as well. But yeah, I'd say the French are mostly Scandinavians with a tincture of Celtic blood

>I'd say the French are mostly Scandinavians
Why would you say that

okay assuming you aren't trolling me then
how did french preserved latin language?

Yeah, the Franks were a Germanic tribe. They however adopted versions of medieval vulgar Latin which evolved into modern French. I'm not sure what happened between the fall of Rome and 987, though.

yes they are franks (a germanic tribe)
>before the romans the area was known as gallia or gaul
>the gauls were basically celtic people (not germanic)
>when the romans conquered them, gallia was included as one of their province
>some time later the franks a germanic tribe alongside with the other germanic tribes pretty much overran the western part of the empire
>from that point the area that was known as gallia became frankia under the franks

so you see most french people (yes the actual french people not french "french" people) are actually germanic the same how we would see the british people
of course in both cases the celtic people are the minority

>Normans
>Viking raiders that were limited to one province and were quickly assimilated
Brits probably have more Scandinavian blood in them than the French.

They're mostly Celtic with some Germanic and Roman splashed in.

Retard
This poster is literally spewing information he garnered from half-glances at Wikipedia articles

Why would you not think of mentioning the Franks or their ethni-cultural contribution to the French identity

Here you go.

WE WUZ GERMAN KANGZ N SHIEET

the norman descendants are just tiny minority not even compared with the griko people (helleno italic people) of southern italy
they are the same with sicilians who have norman ancestry because sicily was once a norman clay

France - Frankia - The Franks

>Do French people have Germanic heritage or not?
No

>Can i get quick rundown on how their nation came to be after fall of Roman empire?
During Third Century Crisis, the troops faithful to Rome were massacred, and Gaul became independant except in name.

Now empty of r*mshits, r*manization came to a halt and Gauls reconnected with their Celtic past, as an example, they renamed their city after their tribes and revolted*. Strategically, the Bagaudae were making signifiant progress and liberated Armorica(land between the Seine and the Loire) from the r*mshits.

Armorica was always the true core of Gaul/France, and now it was free, the Gauls started to slowly reconquer their land, another Bagauda arisen in the land of the Arvernii, and another in Hispania, although both were quickly crushed the spirit of Gauls was showing sign of awakening.

The arrival of the Goths and Burgundians further weakened the influence of r*me, and an alliance between the Bretons and Gauls was concluded**, the Gauls crushed the Huns at battle of Orleans and the Battle of Châlons***, they also crushed the Goths at Orleans****.

Then a Gaulish Kingdom arisen under the rule of King Syagius*****, sadly, r*mshits and g*rshits, jealous of their betters, plotted against the Gaulish race, r*mshits called the subhuma fr*nkshits (M*roshitians) and opened the gate while the Gauls were fighting them.


*: They gave a Gaulish name to their movement "Bagaudae", from the Gaulish bagauda "fighter", from Indo-European bheg "to resist".
**: Battle of Deols in 471
***:Battle of Deols in 451
****: See Battle of Orleans in 463
*****: Syagrius is a Gaulish name composed of Su -"good" and agros "carnage, battle", meaning "Good (at) battle"

SECOND PART INCOMING

The Franks were a small ruling elite. Most French do not have a large percentage of Frankish heritage.

>***:Battle of Deols in 451
***:Battle of Chalons in 451

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After centuries of oppression by the r*mshit bishops and the g*rshit nobles, the Gauls revolted again, the first to revolt this time were the Aquitani*, their will was powerful and their courage boundless, although they were repeatedly defeated they never gave up. This glorious spirit awakened the Armoricans who, under their leader Robert the Strong, became the core power of the whole kingdom and forced the King of the Germans(Charles the Fat) to title himself "King of the Gauls and the Germans".

Later on, Robert of Gaul son of Robert the Strong, decided it was time to end this joke a duchy(Neustria)**, and directly titled himself Dux Gallorum***, this title was a polite way to say to the g*rshits to fuck off back to Fr*nconia.

The g*rshits weren't happy about it, but after being repeatedly crushed by the Gauls, they were forced to recognize Gaul's independance.

END

*: Gauls living below the Loire
**: Neustria is a fr*nkshit name, and thus, a tool of fr*nkshit supremacy
***: Warlord/Chief of the Gauls

>fixed
Pathetic.

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>The Battle of the Catalaunian Plains (or Fields), also called the Battle of the Campus Mauriacus, Battle of Châlons
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Catalaunian_Plains

>The bagaudae are now gaulish freedom fighters
>Syagrius is now a gaulish nationalist

I have to say this is an elaborate shitpost.

Especially coastal Brits.

Since everyone else is busy shitposting I'll explain.
Since prehistoric times the celts lived in france, at the time Gaul/Gallia.
They were defeated by the romans around 50 B.C and Gallia became a part of the Roman Republic.
Due to a long-time decline of power, a bunch of germanic tribes invaded, and by 476 the last roman emperor, Romulus Augustulus, was deposed and went into exile. All that was left of the Western Roman Empire was the Domain of Soissons, an enclave led by the magister militum (commander) Syagrius, which was defeated at the en of the 5th century by Clovis I of the Franks. At this point modern France was divided between the Franks in the north and west and the Burgunds in, well, Burgundy.
Eventually Burgundy is subdued by the Franks and becomes a part of the Frankish Kingdom. Under Charlemagne this Kingdom expands greatly, conquering Germany and Italy, and his sons middle child, Charles the Bald, inherits West Frankia, which becomes medieval France.

So to answer your question if French people have germanic heritage, the answer is probably. Some claim that only the warrior elite moved during the migration period and they never numbered that many, which means that they only replaced the ruling class but most of the population remained the same, but others claim that the migrations were larger than that.

France is probably the most diverse nation in Europe (aside from Russia) genetically, linguistically (pre 1900), and ethnically (atleast in the past and depending on how you see it today). Keep in mind at the time of the first world war the majority of French didn’t speak proper French, but a wide variety of regional language/dialects (again depending on how you see it) called patois. Pic related is a bit simplified map, but will give you the idea.

Aside from the langues d’oïl, the primary language group in France from which the French language and it’s dialects in the north come from, there are the langues d’oc (Occitan) in the south, along with Franco-Provençal (aka Arpitan), the Gallo-Italic Ligurian, and Catalan, which is spoken more in Spain. These comprise the Gallo-Romance langauge family.

Next you have the languages of people France over the years had subjugated. Breton (a Brythonic language related to Welsh, not Gaulic), along with it’s mix with a langue d’oïl known as Gallo, the Germanic languages Flemish and Alsatian and Lorraine Franconian, Basque, and the Italian Corsican langauge. France also subjugated Catalan and Ligurian (along with some now extinct Occitan and Gallo-Italic languages such as Niçard and Monégasque) areas as it expanded southwest and southeast.

It has to be noted that many of the patois are mutually intelligible, but not all of them.

Now to heritage. The south and the east of the country were more romanized than the north and the west. In the 300s preachers noted they had to learn Gaulic to preach to communities in the West of Gaul. Celtic contributions to French mainly involve vocabulary involving animals, the countryside and daily life.

During the migration era, the Visigoths would leave their mark on the linguistic landscape of the south, most notably the cedille (ç), which would be transmitted to French through Occitan. The Franks would leave a strong mark on the French languages, giving it more Germanic vocabulary (mainly war and government related) than any other Romance language. During Viking times, the Norsemen settled Normandy, giving it it’s name and contributing alot to it’s vocabulary and genetic heritage. Normandy is probably the most Germanic-influenced province discounting the later subjugated areas. The Vikings readily mixed with the natives, while the Franks and Visigoths somehwat remained separate from the Gallo-Roman population. As the ruling class was Germanic, alot of the genetc heritage of nobility was mianly germanic well after they adopted French culture. In addition, the Frankish people mainly settled separately from the locals and mainly in the northeast, hardly at all in the South (the Visigoths didn’t settle much at all long enough to leave much of an impact before being kicked out). Similarly, preachers wrote that there were communities speaking Frankish separate from the Gallo-Romans as late as the 700s, and a centruy earlier for the Gauls.

Of course, the majority of people were Gallo-Roman, with more Gaulic in the north and west, and more Roman in the south, and Germanic heritage was a sizable minority except for in Normandy. Over the years these all mixed and blended together so all three are represented throughout the nation. It would be ignorant to say France lacks Germanic heritage. Of all the Romance nations it has the most.

Yep. France is a nation born from many different lineages, including Gauls, Franks, and Romans.

what the fuck are you talking about??
everything you say makes no sense

>France is probably the most diverse nation in Europe
Wrong

That's Germany, who is made of French(Celts), Poles(Slavs), and Danes(Nords).

>genetically
Wrong Again

Haplogroup-wise Germany can be broken into three to four countries, meanwhile, France cannot.

>linguistically (pre 1900)
Wrong Again

French is a fairly unified language, meaning that all dialect-speakers acknowledged their language being a dialect of French, unlike in Germany, Italy, and Spain, where they(Catalans, Bavarians, Galicians, Venetians, and so on) dispute the primacy of the dominant language.

>and ethnically (atleast in the past and depending on how you see it today).
Partially true

French still make-up the absolute majority of their country.

>France is probably the most diverse nation in Europe (aside from Russia)
How about Spain or Italy?

Yes, but not as much as people think. They're about as Germanic as Italians on average.

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>Sub-Nordic
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