Would Ireland have been better off if he lived?

>help out axis
>lose horribly
>end up under GB
user is right, that would have been the best possible result for Ireland.

I'm not even the same poster lad
What the fuck is this absolute dribble you're spouting?
I never even stated we SHOULD'VE joined the war you spastic. I even explicitly stated that De Valera not making Ireland join the war despite being promised Ulster was his only GOOD move.
You still didn't answer my question. What has De Valera done, decided by himself and himself alone, that has benefited the country other than this?
Nothing.
Let me remind you that the Civil War only started over the fact that he's a LARPing plastic paddy yank and that he couldn't see that if we hadn't met to Britain's demands it would've meant more war which the country was getting fucking sick of. Imagine what would've happened to a post-civil war Ireland where De Valera won. Do you honestly think the Brits would've sat there and accepted that?
Your empire is dead just like your country's integrity and self worth.

I don't admire Dev and agree that not going to war was probably his best move, and he was a Spaniard not a yank

he's a big paddy

If he lived I would speak irish as my first language, and Irish people would actually have a sense of ther culture. So yea, it would have been better.

Michael Collins was close friends with O'Duffy and if you read his book the Path to Freedom, Collins wasn't a fan of either Capitalism or Socialism, making it likely that Ireland would end up becoming fascist for better or worse.

Ireland joining the Allies in WW2 would've been a disaster and could've even caused another civil war (especially if conscription was introduced), the public was not in favour of it at all.
>De Valera himself confided to an American journalist in July 1940 that ‘the people were pro-German’. The leader of the opposition, Richard Mulcahy, received a number of reports indicating that ‘mass opinion [is] setting pro-German’ the following year. American military intelligence was told the same thing by a ‘highly reliable’ member of the Oireachtas—most probably James Dillon—who lamented that ‘there was no anti-Nazism in Éire’. Looking north of the border, Freddie Boland of the Department of External Affairs found that ‘the vast majority of nationalists in the six-county area are absolutely pro-German’. And foreign diplomats, journalists and visitors were often startled by the evidence they found across Ireland of widespread pro-Axis sympathy, with ‘huge swastikas and anti-British symbols’ chalked or painted on walls and hoardings.

Ulster was offered by Churchill OTL, but as I said above public opinion made Ireland joining the Allies impossible.

He was born in America under two immigrants
The only reason he wasn't executed (Which he should've been) was because of his American citizenship

I knew an Irish patriotic Irish guy who told me that the teaching Irish languages in schools are utterly useless and they need to be changed so that people actually learn and remember it.

His father was a Spaniard and so he was Spaniard by blood, no one ever considered him american. If a muhammad got born in Cork we would consider him less Irish than Dev

It's utterly useless in the current system because English is encouraged due to its widespread use in business. Honestly, English isn't a bad language for Ireland economically but it's a scorn on our culture.

>No one ever considered him american
Jee I wonder how he got out of getting executed, then.

Irish is taught in schools as if you already have a working knowledge of it at home and in class you analyse poetry and learn very advanced grammar when you probably don't even know the basics. Most people come out of school only knowing very basic Irish.

Now in some schools all teaching is done through Irish and generally everyone who goes through education like that becomes totally fluent very easily, but there aren't enough Irish teachers to make every school like that, and some lefty types accuse them of being "cultural apartheid" and unfair to foreigners.

this is what everyone thinks however there are different ways they won't to go about it

unfortunately a lot (mostly Dubs) wan't to make Irish non compulsory for the leaving cert(which would be devastating to the language)

Ideally the standard of teaching would have to be improved for the early years(5-15), what it currently does is only do a few things in Irish when you wrong and then have you start learning it like a foreign language when you're 12 so there's no wonder it's not our 1st language. Turning all primary schools and kindergartens into Gaelscoils(all subjects taught through Irish)(which is possible) we could see Irish becoming our first language again

That was because he had an american citizenship, but the Irish people always considered him a Spaniard

One interesting thing about Michael Collins from reading the Path to Freedom was that he wasn't actually a republican in the general sense.he believed a monarchy to be just as free as a republic.

>Collins will never reinstate the Uí Neílls
This is truly the worst timeline

>Ní tógfaidh Mícheál na Fianna arís chun a bheith mar an SS

FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

It is not too late
youtube.com/watch?v=vCsYCnEVsv8

Barrett is an unlikeable buffoon though paddy. Don't be delusional, no one is gonna vote for a party they don't like.

I am not. The Brits did the unthinkable and abandoned India after WW2.

>Páirtí Násiúnta bro
Ar Dheis ar Aghaidh!

>I've been reading a lot about Collins but honestly I think Ireland entering WWII would've been bad for the country, especially since we'd basically have the emergency+Germany constantly bombing us/threat of invasion from France to Ireland. We were pretty ill-equipped but I imagine there might've been a pretty good advantage of having us in the war.

That's hogwash. Germans weren't even able to bomb Britain is a sustainable way. The battle of Britain was about them bleeding out and losing the war of attrition. How the fuck are they supposed to bomb Ireland aside from some token action with minimal effects? Besides, Germans bombing Ireland could have a very chilling effect on the Irish and they could easily turn into the anti-German camp.

Ireland joining or at least aiding the Allies in WW2 would have a considerable leverage in dealing with Britain and USA. Access to Irish ports and shipyards would be a great addition to the Allied war effort, just like access to Irish industry. Ireland could have squeezed much out of it even without sending her sons to fight and die. On top of that, Ireland would benefit from heavy Allied war spending and technology transfers. That would greatly help to raise the Republic out of its poverty decades earlier than in RL.

I wrote about Ulster. Yes, I believe that there was a window of opportunity during the WW2 to regain it for the Republic. Most likely in some form of condominium with Britain. Just like WW2 made Britain do the unthinkable and leave India for good.

Collins was the only Irish leader of his generation with enough vision, acumen and support to push Ireland in the direction of Allies.

>You were born in the timeline where Collins died and didn't become Ireland's Monarch stirring it towards a cultural revolution where the majority of the island was fluent in Irish and had a significant stance in the world because some LARPer took over your country
Why even fucking live lads

They were already planning on leaving India before WW2 happened

That you self promoting Justinian?