>The Byzantine Empire was, in fact, the Roman Empire as it continued to exist for a thousand years after the old Rome had fallen to the barbarians.Even more, it was regarded by its people as an eternal empire, established by God to rule mankind from the coming of Christ until the end of time.
>The Byzantine Empire does not have a proper “beginning” since it was, in fact, the continuation of the Roman state, which had begun (according to tradition) in 753 bc.
Vichy's France was more french than France ever was since Napoleon and yet its capitale was Vichy and not Paris.
Brayden Edwards
>the New Rome >isn't actually the old Rome
Levi Jones
but user, France isn't called Parisia!
Austin Thompson
Imperium Romanum is not Imperium of Roma
Hunter Brown
Roman Empire with not holding Rome and ruled by Greeks.
Zachary Jenkins
>Basiliea Rhomaion >isn't actually the Imperium Romanum
Nolan Hernandez
WRONG
Michael Williams
>still thinks Basileia ton Romaion translates to Roman Empire and not Empire of the Romans
Evan Jenkins
In the later years of the Roman empire Rome as a city became far less important than Constantinople. It saw steady population decline while the eastern empire as a whole thrived.
the west was the fucking rump state by the end of it
Easton Martinez
>A rump state is the remnant of a once-larger state Lol, way to prove his point. Do you think the Roman Empire stopped being the Roman Empire when it pulled out of Dacia?
Justin Roberts
>Byzaboos not knowing the true continuation of the Roman Empire, the actual fragment of the actual government of the West to survive the fall, and continue ministering the diocese as had been the Roman state charter.
>mfw still exists. checkmate Byzaboos
Charles Jenkins
>schismatics >roman
WEW E W
Hudson Peterson
>it wasn't Roman because it didn't hold Rome!!!! Was it Roman during the period it did hold Rome, then?
David Thomas
The only schismatics are the ones who call themselves Roman, yet reject the covenant with Rome, itself
in other words, Greek LARPers wangsting about their dead rump state
Carter Hernandez
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rump_states#Late_ancient_history >The Eastern Roman Empire from the Slavic, Avar, and Bulgar invasions of the Balkan Peninsula and the Persian invasions of eastern Asia Minor of the AD mid-6th century, particularly after its progressive loss of Italy to the Lombards starting in 565[12] and during the height of the Sassanid Empire in the early 7th century, when it lost most of its Asiatic lands and Egypt.
Adrian White
>Continuation of WRE >Doesn't even hold The whole city
wew
Brody Scott
what's that? I couldn't hear you over the 1.2 billion adherents to the only aspect of the Roman government to survive the fall, and reside on the most important hill in the city.
How many Byzantines are left to defend your Greek rump state?
Anthony Taylor
>yes it did hold rome even after the fall of the west >byzantium gad become the new rome/nova roma, the new capital of the eastern empire so basically any empire who lost their capital should have just changed their identity?
Owen Jenkins
>so basically any empire who lost their capital should have just changed their identity?
Yes, especially when the empire rise from that city and bore the name of that city
Aiden Stewart
trolololololololol
Nolan Ortiz
You should look up the definition of Roman real quick.
Cameron Sanchez
>Western Roman Empire >City of Rome isn't even the capital of the empire by the end of the whole shabang
Camden Morgan
this
Jeremiah Ortiz
Kind of tired of this argument. People who can't accept Basileia ton Romaion as direct continuation of Imperium Romanum suffer from autism.
Isaiah Phillips
a true roman empire has never been tried!!1!
Bentley White
>tfw Rome is still exist while Constantinople be reduced to a muslim cesspool named Istanbul
Jace Thomas
Byzantines were Greek not Roman Ottoman Empire was also better than Byzantine Empire
Jacob Clark
DO IT AGAIN
Leo Wright
At midnight on the Emperor's pavement flit Flames that no faggot feeds, nor steel has lit, Nor storm disturbs, flames begotten of flame, Where blood-begotten spirits come And all complexities of fury leave, Dying into a dance, An agony of trance, An agony of flame that cannot singe a sleeve.
Astraddle on the dolphin's mire and blood, Spirit after spirit! The smithies break the flood, The golden smithies of the Emperor! Marbles of the dancing floor Break bitter furies of complexity, Those images that yet Fresh images beget, That dolphin-torn, that gong-tormented sea.
John Wilson
>what's that? I couldn't hear you over the 1.2 billion adherents to the only aspect of the Roman government to survive the fall By that logic, every see the around the med is the Roman Empire, since the church was intertwined with the state.
Dylan Nguyen
France had several capitals during its history.
Everytime the capital wasn't P*ris, France was thriving.
This
Josiah Nguyen
bump
Chase Long
>Unlike most empires, the Byzantine Empire did not grow out of conquest. Rather, it evolved from an existing political system that had itself developed from the ‘high empire’ of Augustus and his successors.11 New settlers in fourth-century Constantinople were not immigrants from outside: they came from within the existing territories of the Roman Empire. This makes the change from Roman Empire to Byzantium both difficult and challenging for historians to trace.
Christopher Thomas
It was more like dropping dead weight
Jason Ward
>That pic We are in the worse timeline, just imagine how amazing 16th-18th century Byzantine uniforms would look.