Is there any good reason not to take steroids?

>expensive
>dangerous
>No need to even get that big if you just want to pull bitches
Not to mention the ethics of being a cheater. Don't know why fags get so hung up on the cheater thing though.

shit look like that, I assumed it was because I keep skipping chest day.

>>expensive
cheaper than whey

>>dangerous
if you're an imbecile. if you're not it's no more dangerous than getting drunk.

>>No need to even get that big if you just want to pull bitches
true.

>Not to mention the ethics of being a cheater.
Cheating at what exactly?

realistically....if you abuse it, you might get a heart attack or some other disease and die.

you probably will have to get on testostorone for the rest of your life because your balls will shrink

no, if you can afford a Hollywood level PT that can hook u up with good shit and make sure that you don't fuck your shit up, its beneficial to physical appearance and maybe even health

apart from biological reasons:
it's illegal (not really risky unless you make a living through fitness, in which case you'd know this already)

you're gonna have to lie to people (only if you want to minimize risk. You don't have to do this if you don't give a fuck)

>gets born with perfect genetics
>pisses them into a taco nigger
He may as well have never been born

>you probably will have to get on testostorone for the rest of your life because your balls will shrink
Literally never been a case of permanent shrinkage. Doctors know it will come back, it just depends how long you are prepared to wait........and most people want trt anyway

hiow come every guy that goes on gear develops sick wide as fuck and strong jaw line

Someone link the rich piana gif

Normal sized balls and no man tits.

there are pros and cons what a stupid fucking question ofcourse there are good reasons

Dangerous, illegal, bad for your health.

honeslty I could understand doing it if it was legal and pharmagrade but ordering these drugs off the internet from some random guy seems quite sketchy long-term.

it's almost as if a manly jaw is a symptom of high test

Hormone system is fickle enough as it is.

guess I have high t then, also mewing might have helped defining it more

but what I meant was theyre already adults and then roid and it looks like that shit grows, is it HGH?

For you

>cheaper than whey

Only if you run like a cruise dose of testosterone.

But that doesn't include all the regular blood work you'll need to get, ancillaries, viagra and cialis, etc.

>if you're an imbecile. if you're not it's no more dangerous than getting drunk.

Are you a retard?

You're injecting yourself with powder from china that was brewed into roids by some random guy in likely unsanitary conditions. sources only add too much benzyl benzonate and shit which is toxic and injecting multiple mLs into yourself when you don't know how it was made seems kind of harmful eventually.

There's also numerous harmful long-term health effects many of which aren't even fully known which is concerning to say the least.

more testosterone means more secondary sex characteristics. Also why most dudes on gear develop badly receding hairlines

>She's probably on var and defiantly on grown hormone
>defiantly
>grown

Yeah, you would know, Professor.

>it's almost as if a manly jaw is a symptom of high test

Once your bone structure is formed it doesn't matter how much testosterone you have.

>hiow come every guy that goes on gear develops sick wide as fuck and strong jaw line

correlation and probably because they're lean and thus have a much more cut jawline

I know from annecdotal experience that people that hop on gear get bigger jaws, they hopped on mid twenties, nothing else but the jaw/parts of head grew.

>expensive

gynecomastia surgey is pretty expensive in most parts of the world

i've got gyno and finally getting my surgery so fuck that shit.

there's too much risk only to get it again if my body reacts or if i do a cycle incorrectly.
nature's fucked with me more than enough, i know theres another way to drop to a single digit BF%

Could be a result of getting leaner after hopping on juice.

Powerlifters like Chris Duffin, Yury Belkin, Stan Efferding and Mark Bell (lmao) definitely have enormously high test levels from all the juice, but no Zyzz jaws.

Because I don't care about getting ridiculously big out of natty range and roiding just to look like a natty seems retarded.

Gaining size is a side effect. I enjoy the confidence and sex drive mostly. Only run 250mg e7d of enan. All mine is clean, get it directly from the brewer who shows purity testing.

How much does that run you? Cycling or just cruising fo life?

My confidence and sex drive is already high as it is.

Run me cost wise? Only 60 a vial of 250mg. Pretty much anything I would want is between 60 and 90 a vial. Gonna cruise until next year run a strong pct in spring and wife and I are going to have another kid.

Completely different, you get superman mode. You want to crush everything weights, pussy, your enemies lol. Not angry at least not on test but you definitely are full alpha.

Fug 10ml vial? Thats definitely better than protein powder. Any recommendations on where to start researching? Dont wanna fuck shit up if i start

What if I'm already that?

How much further can it possibly go. I don't want to inject drugs brewed by some criminal who bought it from china dude

Researching on a cycle? Or to find a supplier?

I'm with you man, I swore it off years ago but I literally know the brewer and have seen the test results on mine. Purity is fantastic basically pharma. So I grabbed some.

both

well if I had that then I would.

I'd probably get on TRT at 25+ if i had low test but beyond that I don't find it necessary.

>if you're an imbecile. if you're not it's no more dangerous than getting drunk.

love what roidheads say to themselves to justify juicing. this is blatantly not true of course,

no matter how "correctly" you cycle, things like: cholesterol, baldness, danger of liver cysts, prostate enlargement etc are always a danger. also, after your 10th cycle you can say goodbye to your sperm count and natty t levels

there is literally 0 reason to roid unless you're an athlete

Both would be much appreciated

No problem brah add Dylan Gemelli on YouTube. His videos are fantastic for any sarm and steroid information.

Forums.steroid is a good place to get to know the industry and brands.

As far as cycle depends on what you're wanting.

Right because thats why the give it to 40 year olds with other health risks already. Running a try or moderately higher dose is minimal risk. They give steroids to aids patients to help with muscle waisting. You know cause it kills you.

>Right because thats why the give it to 40 year olds with other health risks already

They give a low dose of pharmagrade test to get them to high natural levels you fucking faggot.

They don't fucking take dianabol in large doses and inject trenbolone and take female breast cancer medication to keep it all under control you dumb fuck

>They give steroids to aids patients to help with muscle waisting. You know cause it kills you.

Not at dosages to build muscle. how dumb are you

That's because it outweighs the fucking risks you retard

You don't have aids or some sort of other serious disease. You fucking imbecile. Why do roiders always use this retarded logical fallacies and circular logic to justify their lifechoices?

I'm not dumb at all I said moderate dosage. Youre telling 150mg of cyp once a week is safe but 250 of cyp once a week is littered with health risks? Also the medication for recovery is simply to make it quicker and keep your levels balanced. Your body is constantly trying to get back to homeostasis.

As for aids
medscape.com/viewarticle/410375_13
This article shows that higher doses of var and test are highly effective for HIV patients and most definitely would be enough to build muscle.

Because saying something is good for a sick person but bad for a healthy person makes absolutely no sense. I'm not arguing with the dangers of high steroid usage. Again I said moderate.

>Because saying something is good for a sick person but bad for a healthy person makes absolutely no sense.

Are you a fucking imbecile?

HOW DOES IT NOT MAKE SENSE.

It's like taking medication for a condition you don't have. For example taking accutane when you don't have acne, or take high blood pressure medication when you don't have high blood pressure.

It's harmful and risky and has many side effects.

>This article shows that higher doses of var and test are highly effective for HIV patients and most definitely would be enough to build muscle.

YOU DON'T HAVE HIV

Your body is normal and you can build muscle normally. holy shit dude are you legit retarded

But these people already have HIV//Aids... their lives literally can't get much worse

What's ur excuse???

>Hurrdurr I just want to get "the most" out of my training

yeah all /frauds/ are ppl who are unwilling to put in the work and time... or simply have mental disorder so they NEED to be bigger than every1else

there is no excuse faggot

1.I dont want to get any heavier than I am right now. Im a distance runner/swimmer, and im already by far the biggest athlete in those sports I know of.
2.Im in a selection program for specialized operations, not gonna risk getting caught.
3.I dont really need to be super big or strong, I already bench 3 plates and look pretty damn aesthetic, and its really about the journey in the end. I like the slow climb to the top, really gives you something to do.
That said, if anybody lifts just for the sake of getting big and looking good, there is no reason NOT to do steroids. They obviously work, have little to no sides of cycled properly, and apparently make you feel fucking great. When I retire, im going roid till I die, no question.

Accutane has the same side effects acne or not bro lol. They don't get worse when you don't have zits. Yet I'm a retard?

I take pride in my work, if that means Im skinny right now so be it, I don't want to attribute every inch of progress to a needle I stuck in my butt.

Roids cause acne, roidrage, testicle shrinking, liver failure and baldness. Why would I roid for that?

>Accutane has the same side effects acne or not bro lol. They don't get worse when you don't have zits. Yet I'm a retard?

Yes you fucking dumbass

But Im saying that taking on all those health risks that accutane carries when you don't have the condition is imbecilic.

I have 850ng/dl testosterone.

If I start running a cruise dose I'll get slightly above that...

For what purpose? To build muscle marginally faster? Wow cool but now I have testicular shrinkage, increased prostate cancer risk, my own testosterone production shutdown and a bunch of other shit.

What's the fucking point???

All of these are completely legitimate concerns and I agree in cases of abuse.

most guys I see in the gym either cant afford to keep it up or just go off it for health reasons and they all look like shit hen they come off, so having to keep shoving that shit up your ass to maintain that physique doesnt appeal to me

Assuming you live in the first world
Assuming you have access to as much food as you want
You make better gains than people that do not have access to plentiful amounts of good food and gym time, right?
So, you can attribute any success you make to certain things you have that others dont. Therefore, you should stave yourself and only do calisthenics.
But thats retarded, innit?
In the end, it does not matter WHY you got where you are, all that matters is where you are in the end.
And yes, training natty builds character, but you shouldent roid until youve trained a good few years anyway.
So, if you just train to look good and get strong, lift a few years then,
ENJOY THE MENT(ylnortestosterone)

Help me based roid user. How long should I wait before doing roids? I hit puberty a bit later than most and I am 19 now. 25?

There's a pretty big difference between messing with your hormones and having access to food and a gym.

Why don't you roid shills just fuck off?

Can you just roid and shut up about it?

No man I didn't say you or anyone else should and in fact underground labs are extremely dangerous. I didn't ever say anyone should jump on a cycle cause it's the best. I havent done anything in years. I have a low sex drive and I suffer from anxiety. Both of these are corrected when I'm on a low dose of test. I also know where my test is coming from.

If I thought it was safe I'd be doing more than I am obviously.

T b h by the time you're mid 20s you won't want to roid.

Roiding is mostly for teenagers/early 20s with body image issues.

You kept using the argument that "Since people with a serious immunodeficiency condition use anabolic steroids, therefore it is pretty safe and good"

I dont actually use steroids
Im just pointing out the problem with your logic.
Do you take a multivitamin? That effects your hormones. Do you eat red meat? Do you do heavy lifts? All of that effects your hormones.

It is not as dangerous as presented to people when used short term in moderation with proper support. Most steroid users who do it correctly will not had long term negative effects, just like most accutane users won't commit suicide or have insane mood swings.

My point on stating that is that there is medical evidence that steroids are useful to improve multiple different areas of the body.

Should someone take 1g of test and 800mg tren for 6 months. No, that would be the guy with an enlarged ventricle and prostate issues , especially if he's over 40

We simply don't have any statistical data supporting the broad strokes painted by the government on steroids.

>My point on stating that is that there is medical evidence that steroids are useful to improve multiple different areas of the body.

Who on earth denied that?

Yes testosterone replacement therapy is useful when you have low testosterone. It's medicine just like anything else.

Using it to build unnatural amounts of muscle is irresponsible and dangerous.

> What medical evidence exists warns of potential harm, but doesn't support your argument, therefore we must redefine what evidence is and who is qualified to provide it (i.e. not government or medical bodies).

This is some strong work.

I completely understand your view point. Just as SARMs need more clinic research as do steroids. I don't jump on the cancer bandwagon because the evidence isn't clearly there. Negatives yes.

Thanks brah

cheating? what are you a fucking child? kill yourself lmao.

I don't know your point they found some evidence that steroids use between your early 20s to your late 30s may cause some prostate growth. However it is much more dangerous in men over 40 when their prostate begins to grow again. This is not prostate cancer causation.

Medicine is a cost-benefit.

Chemotherapy is extremely harmful to people, but we use it because it's better than the alternative.

Wanting to build muscle for cosmetic reasons to impress gay men (women don't care about your rear delts or your striated glutes) is harmful and should not be supported.

It's not directed at a specific point, it's directed at your dismissal of the medical community & their opinion because they didn't watch "bigger, stronger, faster.

I don't dismiss it all. High dose and long term steroid usage is dangerous. I also have never done or recommended anything other than test.

Oh fuck you are stupid.

Look if you're too retarded to study the endocrine system well enough before injecting then that's your issue. For everyone else gynecomastia is a never occurrence. It only happens to total fucking retards. Even spending a few hours on fit will show you what you need to do to avoid it.

bitch tits, shrinking balls, going bald

I want to kill myself when I look at my spooky skeleton body. I don't think that'll change

>defiantly
She really didn't want to take the Growth Hormone, but in her defiance she decided to do it.

How old is he here?

Actually it's tremendously common given how easily the ai or pct drugs can be bunk and indian pharma can be fake or underdosed.

Speaking as someone who has been training for almost 10 years, and trained with groups of people for that time, yeah you will grow out of it.

90% of the guys I started with at 17 had the same mentality.

> We'll roid mid 20s bro cos test is declining gotta stay huge brah.

We trained hard till like 23, sometimes twice a day, and everybody got strong and swole as fuck.

Now we're all about 25 and most guys train at max 3 times a week, too busy working, educating, relationshiping. We still train because we enjoy it, but its no longer about numbers, more so about longevity and feeling good.

I've also seen this in the younger generations who look up to the "older" guys going hard and bein strong and try to tag along. Same exact path.

> FUARK GOTTA GET STRONG, EAT BIG GET BIG WOOOO.

Couple years later.

> I try to make it in at least 2 times a week between work and university.

Dust in the wind, bro.

I dont to roid for that reason. I want to roid because Im permanently fucking auswitz mode and won't be comfortable until I gain about 60 pounds. Don't really care how much I can lift as long as I'm functionally strong enough to do the things I want (somewhere around 1/2/3/4)

15kgs in 3 months

Did you test your e2? It costs $50. Guess not. Like I said easy to avoid if you're not retarded.

>They also cause victories, women, gains, and higher social privilege beyond comprehension.
The only common reasons to not roid are:
>Fearful of health
>Not knowing how
>Not sure where to get
>Lazy
>Family disaproval
>Complacent with being a normie
Every top athlete and actor roids. Every chad roids. Anyone who wants to be something more than the class he was born into roids.

>has a 10/10 body
>still can't even get a white girl

LEL
E
L

Just eat more you pussy wtf do u need roids for god damn what a pussy

dude that shit has side effects too.

I dont want to fucking take 300 blood tests a month and take a drug to counteract the effects of one drug and then one to counteract the effects of THAT drug, and then so on and so on.

Why don't you understand I don't fucking care so much about muscle? I don't give a shit, i dont need to be jacked. I dont need to compensate for anything. I don't care

Lifting is a secondary thing for me, if i can't lift i dont fucking care.

Honestly man at one point I was super into lifting and likely would've used roids if I had the opportunity to do so. But I've grown up, it's just not a big deal for me and I dont want to partake in illegal activities to take sketchy drugs to build muscle.

If it's just for your own enjoyment, there's no competition to be cheating in, lad.

She's half viet cong you fuckin moron

>>They also cause victories, women, gains, and higher social privilege beyond comprehension.

>He actually belives this

What victories? Injecting your ass several times a week?

>Women
Women for the most part don't give a shit about you being oversized. Within natty limit with low bodyfat is more than enough.

>higher social privilege

Lol... Yeah that's totally why all the roiders are high up in society with successful careers ... oh wait. They're oversized gym rats working menial jobs trying to compensate for being inferior